Comments on: Clinton Hangs Onto New Hampshire http://donklephant.com/2007/12/06/clinton-hangs-onto-new-hampshire/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:24:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jammer http://donklephant.com/2007/12/06/clinton-hangs-onto-new-hampshire/comment-page-1/#comment-385332 Jammer Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:07:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/06/clinton-hangs-onto-new-hampshire/#comment-385332 I know this site does not think much of HRC, but I wanted to post here what I thought was a good and brave answer she gave in the NPR debate re immigration. In the debate she argued strongly, and as far as I can tell its the only time any candidate has made this statement this clearly, that there can be no contemplation of the forced deportation of 12 million people in the context of immigration reform, that it would require a police state and the surrender of civil liberties to achieve and would be completely inconsistent with what American stands for. I have long felt this to be the case, and discussion of such deportations sickens me. It took the Nazis a police state of unprecedented strength to deport a few hundred thousand jews before they gave up and just started to murder them. It took police states in Russia and China to deport undesirables, but never in the history of human kind, I believe, have we ever seen a massed, forced deportation of the size and nature being discussed in this supposedly free country to get rid of illegal immigrants. I would oppose such a deportation with every fiber in my being, and I think that HRC deserve praise for a distinctly non-pandering, non-triangulated position of courage based on principle, stated clearly and without qualification. Maybe Obama and Edwards have said the same, just not that I have heard in any debate, and I have listened to them all. I know this site does not think much of HRC, but I wanted to post here what I thought was a good and brave answer she gave in the NPR debate re immigration. In the debate she argued strongly, and as far as I can tell its the only time any candidate has made this statement this clearly, that there can be no contemplation of the forced deportation of 12 million people in the context of immigration reform, that it would require a police state and the surrender of civil liberties to achieve and would be completely inconsistent with what American stands for. I have long felt this to be the case, and discussion of such deportations sickens me. It took the Nazis a police state of unprecedented strength to deport a few hundred thousand jews before they gave up and just started to murder them. It took police states in Russia and China to deport undesirables, but never in the history of human kind, I believe, have we ever seen a massed, forced deportation of the size and nature being discussed in this supposedly free country to get rid of illegal immigrants. I would oppose such a deportation with every fiber in my being, and I think that HRC deserve praise for a distinctly non-pandering, non-triangulated position of courage based on principle, stated clearly and without qualification. Maybe Obama and Edwards have said the same, just not that I have heard in any debate, and I have listened to them all.

]]> By: Elyas http://donklephant.com/2007/12/06/clinton-hangs-onto-new-hampshire/comment-page-1/#comment-385328 Elyas Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:12:38 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/06/clinton-hangs-onto-new-hampshire/#comment-385328 Something else to consider: Gore might make an endorsement very close to the primary kickoff. It's probably not going to be Hillary, so either Obama or Edwards could get a big boost at a crucial time in the campaign. If Gore endorses Obama, I think he wins by a surprising margin in Iowa, which puts him over the top in NH. But if Gore endorses Edwards, <i>he</i> could take Iowa, and then we have a whole new ballgame. Something else to consider: Gore might make an endorsement very close to the primary kickoff. It’s probably not going to be Hillary, so either Obama or Edwards could get a big boost at a crucial time in the campaign. If Gore endorses Obama, I think he wins by a surprising margin in Iowa, which puts him over the top in NH.

But if Gore endorses Edwards, he could take Iowa, and then we have a whole new ballgame.

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