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Good job, man.

You guys deserve all the credit…

Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com

Plus, he was supported by the Republican Liberty Caucus.

Now, Tex, go back to you’re ranch there boy, and go do what ever it is you do with them cows out back.

Paul Broun isn’t running for President. The end.

As far as the legislation goes, you KNOW it’s going to be interpreted as broadly as possible. And personally, I don’t trust the government to make the right decisions regarding civil liberties post 9/11.

And yes, I read it, and it doesn’t come anywhere close to solving the problem of the exploitation of children. It only puts innocent citizens on the hook for reporting something that may or may not be seen as obscene done by somebody else. Again, would those citizens rather shut down their free wi-fi instead of having to deal with the Feds coming knocking at their door? Yes, I think they would.

In the words of Foghorn Leghorn “Son, I say Son….. Go away, you bother me boy!”

I have to laugh at you Eric….I didn’t realize that Donklephant was a liberal website. What is even funnier, it that yes, Paul Broun, the newly elected representative from Georgia describes himself as a Ron Paul Republican, Not libertarian leaning.

I applaud Rep. Broun for casting a no vote against this legislation and he should be applauded, but trying to horn in proves just how out of touch you are.

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“Ron Paul was right when he said the majority of his colleagues don’t even READ the legislation before they vote on it.”

Did anybody else here actually read the bill before they started commenting?
I can’t imagine how you could read it and start whining about your supposed loss of free speech and wifi access, when it is CLEARLY targeting child pornography. I am not about to suggest that any of you are worried about losing your right to view illicit images of children, so what exactly ARE you crying about? READ THE BILL YOURSELF. Get back to me when you do. Be sure to read the specific sections it mentions. Which ALL relate to child pornography.

And then the bill itself goes on to mention that the ISPs providing access are not expected to monitor usage themselves, simply report it if seen.

And I am asking again, in all honesty and with no sarcasm, what does Ronny suggest instead? What is his plan to deal with this type of problem, that the constitution clearly is not equipped to handle? He doesn’t approve of this? Fine. I can’t imagine that he or any of you value your right to free speech so far as to consider child pornography under its umbrella.
So whats the plan, guys?

It’s a sign that the GOP is open to libertarian views, and much more supportive of free speech than the Democrats. The free speech issue has come full circle.

Yet, it’s an embarrassment for liberals to mention this. So, they drop Ron Paul’s name, cause everyone knows, he’s not really a Republican. But they say nothing about Broun.

Eric Dondero, CEO
http://www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

“Nothing in this section shall be construed to require an electronic communication service provider or a remote computing service provider to—

“(1)

“monitor any user, subscriber, or customer of that provider;

“(2)

“monitor the content of any communication of any person described in paragraph (1); or

“(3)

“affirmatively seek facts or circumstances described in subsection (a)(2).”

In its entirety, this bill is designed to protect children that are victims of child pornography, and to prosecute people who trade in such filth, with one exception. In 18 USC Sec. 1466A it mentions

“(a) In General. - Any person who, in a circumstance described in
subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or
possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any
kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that -
(1)(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor
engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or
sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-
genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or
opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific
value;

Yes, “is obscene”. It’s obvious that the intent of this bill is not to restrict your right to view pornographic cartoons if thats your wish. It is intended to better protect against child pornography. Getting hysterical about one line in the bill regarding obscene cartoons is pointless.

And if Ron Paul opposed it, I would like to hear his solution to internet distribution of Child Pornography.

WiFi isn’t mentioned in the bill. Neither are coffee shops, libraries, or individuals running access points in their basements. The bill’s provisions apply to anyone “engaged in providing an electronic communication service or a remote computing service to the public through a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce.” Parse that as you will.

I contacted the office of Rep. Nick Lampson (D-TX), who introduced the bill, to see whether he understood it to cover hundreds of thousands of Americans and small businesses who offer WiFi. A spokesperson told me that, in his view, that broad interpretation was incorrect, but he had to check in with policy staffers before confirming it. We did not hear back by press time.

No parsing needed, the bill directs to 18 USC 2711 to defind “remote computing service” to the public.. It is define as:

2) the term “remote computing service” means the provision to the public of computer storage or processing services by means of an electronic communications system;

Rep. Lampson may need someone to tell him or confirm to him that the sky is blue, but the rest of humanity does not and this legislation does threaten my local coffee shop and honestly I believe it is a violation of the 1st amendment’s restriction on “prior restraint.”

Go Ron Paul! And thanks for the story Justin.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071206-safe-act-wont-turn-mom-and-pop-shops-into-wifi-cops.html

So open WiFi is still safe.

Also, the Flash crap at the bottom of the page still sucks, it’s still kicking my computer’s butt, and if it’s not removed, I’m going to be very sad. That or else I might just edit my hosts file to point their IP address somewhere else. Poor man’s blocking software. I’m really tired of seeing the spinning beach ball of death every time I visit the site.

That’s it America! Keep allowing our rights to be stripped away from us! Keep letting the government regulate us to death. While you are at it, don’t vote for Ron Paul. I mean, he only wants to restore our rights and liberties! Who cares right?

I think it’s time I run for congress and join Ron Paul on his votes! Anyone else with me?

“A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people”
-James Madison

Of course, that won’t stop the fun-governing fascists from TRYING to enforce it! After all, this type of law is rarely used for the purpose it is supposedly intended for. Instead, it will be used to stifle free speech, the free flow of information and the opposition to a government that tries to bind and gag it’s citizens at seemingly every turn!

This type of legislation used to be (and still is, officially) under the domain of the ‘tinfoil-hat, lunatic-fringe conspiracy nut’ file of the media. But it’s funny how much of what the so-called ‘fringe’ has been warning us about is actually coming to fruition! I guess calling it a ‘Conspiracy’ doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t really happening…

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