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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul: Spoiler Or Savior?</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/12/21/ron-paul-spoiler-or-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-386738</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where will the Ron Paul people go after he loses the primaries rests entirely on the Libertarian Party and who they nominate.  

Wayne Root is coming on strong.  He was on Fox News last Saturday, and just yesterday he secured the enthusiastic endorsement of the LP&#039;s First Presidential candidate from 1972 Dr. John Hospers.  The latter is HUGELY IMPORTANT! in LP circles.  Plus, Root has been making an appeal to Ron Paul supporters in the last few days.

If Root is the nominee, given his money and celebrity, you can bank on a great many Paulists switching over to the Libertarian Party.

But if it&#039;s a 2nd tier Nominee like the insider favorites George Phillies or Steve Kubby, watch for a deflated Paul contingent staying within the GOP, especially if the GOP nominates a Fiscal Con like Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney or libertarian-leaning Rudy Giuliani.

If it&#039;s Huckabee on the GOP side, and Kubby or Phillies on the LP side, the Paul people, and most libertarians including Rudy libertarians like me, will just stay home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where will the Ron Paul people go after he loses the primaries rests entirely on the Libertarian Party and who they nominate.  </p>
<p>Wayne Root is coming on strong.  He was on Fox News last Saturday, and just yesterday he secured the enthusiastic endorsement of the LP&#8217;s First Presidential candidate from 1972 Dr. John Hospers.  The latter is HUGELY IMPORTANT! in LP circles.  Plus, Root has been making an appeal to Ron Paul supporters in the last few days.</p>
<p>If Root is the nominee, given his money and celebrity, you can bank on a great many Paulists switching over to the Libertarian Party.</p>
<p>But if it&#8217;s a 2nd tier Nominee like the insider favorites George Phillies or Steve Kubby, watch for a deflated Paul contingent staying within the GOP, especially if the GOP nominates a Fiscal Con like Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney or libertarian-leaning Rudy Giuliani.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s Huckabee on the GOP side, and Kubby or Phillies on the LP side, the Paul people, and most libertarians including Rudy libertarians like me, will just stay home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Chusid</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/12/21/ron-paul-spoiler-or-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-386713</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chusid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul anti-religious? He&#039;s actually a Huckabee-lite (which is still better than being Huckabee. Paul&#039;s writings clearly show not only is he religious but that he doesn&#039;t believe in separation of church and state and that he believes that the founding fathers intended to create a Christian country:
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2358

Paul, like Huckabee, also does not believe in evolution:
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2571</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul anti-religious? He&#8217;s actually a Huckabee-lite (which is still better than being Huckabee. Paul&#8217;s writings clearly show not only is he religious but that he doesn&#8217;t believe in separation of church and state and that he believes that the founding fathers intended to create a Christian country:<br />
<a href="http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2358" >http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2358</a></p>
<p>Paul, like Huckabee, also does not believe in evolution:<br />
<a href="http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2571" >http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2571</a></p>
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		<title>By: dearleighton</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/12/21/ron-paul-spoiler-or-savior/comment-page-1/#comment-386705</link>
		<dc:creator>dearleighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was just about the ad, I would agree Ron Paul overreacted.  However, Huckabee has presented himself as the &quot;Christian&quot; candidate, and his surge in the polls is exactly because of that, despite questions about Huckabeeâ€™s ethical record.  (If you think his surge is due to something else, please tell me.)  Ron Paul was talking about how politicians can get away with anything as long as they call themselves Christians or patriots.  

The idea that our consciences can be overruled by a leader who claims to speak for God and country is the same philosophy fascist dictators used to gain control.  My conscience is between me and God, and I respect divine power too much to trust a politician when he claims to represent God&#039;s will.  Christians should judge a candidate&#039;s ethical record and decide whether the candidate is exhibiting the &quot;fruits of the Spirit.&quot; (Galations 5:22-23)  

I believe Ron Paul shows these fruits, and I invite you to examine his record.

I don&#039;t want to take up too much space here, but I have written more on Huckabee&#039;s questionable ethics on my blog at leightonweese.squarespace.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was just about the ad, I would agree Ron Paul overreacted.  However, Huckabee has presented himself as the &#8220;Christian&#8221; candidate, and his surge in the polls is exactly because of that, despite questions about Huckabeeâ€™s ethical record.  (If you think his surge is due to something else, please tell me.)  Ron Paul was talking about how politicians can get away with anything as long as they call themselves Christians or patriots.  </p>
<p>The idea that our consciences can be overruled by a leader who claims to speak for God and country is the same philosophy fascist dictators used to gain control.  My conscience is between me and God, and I respect divine power too much to trust a politician when he claims to represent God&#8217;s will.  Christians should judge a candidate&#8217;s ethical record and decide whether the candidate is exhibiting the &#8220;fruits of the Spirit.&#8221; (Galations 5:22-23)  </p>
<p>I believe Ron Paul shows these fruits, and I invite you to examine his record.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to take up too much space here, but I have written more on Huckabee&#8217;s questionable ethics on my blog at leightonweese.squarespace.com</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe it would be correct to label Ron Paul &quot;anti-religious&quot; even if every word in his statement were true. It&#039;s pretty clear that Ron Paul is no more &quot;anti-religious&quot; than he is pro-religion.&quot; I think Ron Paul is pro-choice, as in, people choose what faith if any they choose to follow. Not the state or the government. 

However, it is blatantly obvious that Evangelical Christianity has ensconced itself within the highest levels of our government despite the Establishment Clause in our constitution prohibiting such, but it has happened nonetheless and special interests now dress themselves up in Evangelical clothing to garner the support of the Evangelical base in order to gain access to favorable legislation. 

Good ol&#039; Huck is only doing what the rest of the crooked career politician do, praise Jesus during election time and get blow jobs in airport bathrooms or take lobbyists money (bribe) after they&#039;ve secured their congressional seat. 

You could say these politicians are religious because religion does a political career good, whereas having no faith is without question a career killer. 

Besides, Ron Paul is pro-life, I am pro-choice and I don&#039;t believe Ron Paul is neither religious zealot or anti-religion. He is for the constitution that states &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....&quot; together with the Free Exercise Clause, (&quot;...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe it would be correct to label Ron Paul &#8220;anti-religious&#8221; even if every word in his statement were true. It&#8217;s pretty clear that Ron Paul is no more &#8220;anti-religious&#8221; than he is pro-religion.&#8221; I think Ron Paul is pro-choice, as in, people choose what faith if any they choose to follow. Not the state or the government. </p>
<p>However, it is blatantly obvious that Evangelical Christianity has ensconced itself within the highest levels of our government despite the Establishment Clause in our constitution prohibiting such, but it has happened nonetheless and special interests now dress themselves up in Evangelical clothing to garner the support of the Evangelical base in order to gain access to favorable legislation. </p>
<p>Good ol&#8217; Huck is only doing what the rest of the crooked career politician do, praise Jesus during election time and get blow jobs in airport bathrooms or take lobbyists money (bribe) after they&#8217;ve secured their congressional seat. </p>
<p>You could say these politicians are religious because religion does a political career good, whereas having no faith is without question a career killer. </p>
<p>Besides, Ron Paul is pro-life, I am pro-choice and I don&#8217;t believe Ron Paul is neither religious zealot or anti-religion. He is for the constitution that states &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion&#8230;.&#8221; together with the Free Exercise Clause, (&#8220;&#8230;or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, where do you think these people are going to go if Paul gets crapped on by the GOP establishment? If Paul&#039;s views aren&#039;t incorporated into the GOP or if he&#039;s not allowed to speak at the convention, do you honestly believe these hard-working souls are going to vote for the status-quo? 

Ron Paul is SAVING the GOP&#039;s ass. All of the independents, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, old-right conservatives....if Paul wasn&#039;t running, you think they&#039;d continue holding their noses for the GOP nominee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, where do you think these people are going to go if Paul gets crapped on by the GOP establishment? If Paul&#8217;s views aren&#8217;t incorporated into the GOP or if he&#8217;s not allowed to speak at the convention, do you honestly believe these hard-working souls are going to vote for the status-quo? </p>
<p>Ron Paul is SAVING the GOP&#8217;s ass. All of the independents, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, old-right conservatives&#8230;.if Paul wasn&#8217;t running, you think they&#8217;d continue holding their noses for the GOP nominee?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Aqui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Aqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I&#039;m apparently a rabid Paul hater and enemy of democracy, I&#039;ll give him a pass on the Huckabee thing. He&#039;s clearly making a general point about wrapping oneself in the flag or hiding behind a cross, not calling Huckabee a fascist.

If Paul does poll 10%, does that jumpstart his campaign or simply confirm his small base of support within the Republican primary system? Considering that he&#039;s probably going to do better in libertarian New Hampshire than he will elsewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m apparently a rabid Paul hater and enemy of democracy, I&#8217;ll give him a pass on the Huckabee thing. He&#8217;s clearly making a general point about wrapping oneself in the flag or hiding behind a cross, not calling Huckabee a fascist.</p>
<p>If Paul does poll 10%, does that jumpstart his campaign or simply confirm his small base of support within the Republican primary system? Considering that he&#8217;s probably going to do better in libertarian New Hampshire than he will elsewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, fact check!
Paul released a follow up statement today on his comment on the Huck ad.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/paul-says-he-di.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, fact check!<br />
Paul released a follow up statement today on his comment on the Huck ad.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/paul-says-he-di.html" >http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/paul-says-he-di.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&amp;only&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some people&lt;/a&gt; seem to think Ron Paul could be the Savior of the white race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&amp;only" >Some people</a> seem to think Ron Paul could be the Savior of the white race.</p>
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		<title>By: realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er.. no actually, you are sounding like fox dude.  Go see that interview.. and see it in context..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er.. no actually, you are sounding like fox dude.  Go see that interview.. and see it in context..</p>
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