Comments on: The Reality Of Ron Paul’s Support http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:28:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: John C. Randolph http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387360 John C. Randolph Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:37:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387360 The difference between Ron Paul and Howard Dean, is that Ron Paul is a man of principle, and Howard Dean was just another power-seeker. -jcr The difference between Ron Paul and Howard Dean, is that Ron Paul is a man of principle, and Howard Dean was just another power-seeker.

-jcr

]]> By: The Ron Paul Blimp Blog » Blog Archive » Ron Paul Blimp - internet media link list http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387289 The Ron Paul Blimp Blog » Blog Archive » Ron Paul Blimp - internet media link list Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:42:55 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387289 [...] The Reality Of Ron Paul’s Support Donklephant - 12/26/2007 [...] [...] The Reality Of Ron Paul’s Support Donklephant – 12/26/2007 [...]

]]> By: Tracker http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387239 Tracker Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:07:13 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387239 The one thing that is different in this election: people are enraged on a massive scale. Those who persist in saying RP doesn't have a chance are oblivious to this fact, and apparently don't have a clue as to why millions of people are so mad. They also don't seem to have a grasp on the numbers of newly registered Republicans. The one thing that is different in this election: people are enraged on a massive scale. Those who persist in saying RP doesn’t have a chance are oblivious to this fact, and apparently don’t have a clue as to why millions of people are so mad. They also don’t seem to have a grasp on the numbers of newly registered Republicans.

]]> By: Ryan http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387207 Ryan Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:44:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387207 I support Ron Paul, and I completely agree with you. I think after this run is done the best thing Ron Paul can do is retire from congress and become a political pundit (not sure if anybody would hire him). But he would stay relevant and would not be forgotten. Hopefully 4 years later when the republicans are putting their best forward to oppose the democratic president, there will be a Ron Paul type of voice out there. Hopefully that canidate will have a bit more energy and more political savvy. I say that with no offense towards Dr. Paul Dr. Paul didn't cure my apathy, his supporters did. I support Ron Paul, and I completely agree with you.

I think after this run is done the best thing Ron Paul can do is retire from congress and become a political pundit (not sure if anybody would hire him). But he would stay relevant and would not be forgotten. Hopefully 4 years later when the republicans are putting their best forward to oppose the democratic president, there will be a Ron Paul type of voice out there. Hopefully that canidate will have a bit more energy and more political savvy. I say that with no offense towards Dr. Paul

Dr. Paul didn’t cure my apathy, his supporters did.

]]> By: Jim S http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387206 Jim S Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:43:05 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387206 "The next attack is this: 'He can’t win the general election'" So? He can't. “The next attack is this: ‘He can’t win the general election’”

So? He can’t.

]]> By: The Ron Paul Blimp Blog » Blog Archive » News http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387204 The Ron Paul Blimp Blog » Blog Archive » News Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:40:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387204 [...] The Reality Of Ron Paul’s Support Donklephant - 12/26/2007 [...] [...] The Reality Of Ron Paul’s Support Donklephant – 12/26/2007 [...]

]]> By: Jay http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387190 Jay Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:57:20 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387190 Howard Dean who is that? :) I was on the internet in 2004, I don't remember massive viral video's, massive grassroots fundraising. And Howard dean raised how much money from the grassroots for 2004? I only tuned into the election after John Kerry was chosen as the democrat. I imagine many where just like me. You sir fail to realize, the GOP & converting democrat base has engaged way sooner than last primary, and less then 10% voted because Bush had nobody running against him, so what was the point. You Sir, don understand how much really has changed this time out. And I can't wait until the Iowa an NH primaries. When all these expert pundits will be proven to know less than the common person hooked up to the net. The next attack is this: "He can't win the general election" Howard Dean who is that? :)

I was on the internet in 2004, I don’t remember massive viral video’s, massive grassroots fundraising. And Howard dean raised how much money from the grassroots for 2004?

I only tuned into the election after John Kerry was chosen as the democrat.
I imagine many where just like me.

You sir fail to realize, the GOP & converting democrat base has engaged way sooner than last primary, and less then 10% voted because Bush had nobody running against him, so what was the point.

You Sir, don understand how much really has changed this time out. And I can’t wait until the Iowa an NH primaries. When all these expert pundits will be proven to know less than the common person hooked up to the net.

The next attack is this: “He can’t win the general election”

]]> By: William http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387188 William Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:48:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387188 The internet was also a different place even just 4 years ago. 4 years ago things like Myspace and facebook and youtube weren't made yet. MySpace started in August 2003. Facebook didn't start until February 2004 and by then Kerry was killing the primaries. Youtube didn't get created until 2005. Now they are the biggest things on the internet. And more social networking sites like these have been dominating the internet in only the past 3 or 4 years. If Howard Dean had the tools Ron Paul had today it would be a completely different story. And it's hard to imagine Ron Paul having this much success without YouTube The internet was also a different place even just 4 years ago. 4 years ago things like Myspace and facebook and youtube weren’t made yet. MySpace started in August 2003. Facebook didn’t start until February 2004 and by then Kerry was killing the primaries. Youtube didn’t get created until 2005. Now they are the biggest things on the internet. And more social networking sites like these have been dominating the internet in only the past 3 or 4 years. If Howard Dean had the tools Ron Paul had today it would be a completely different story. And it’s hard to imagine Ron Paul having this much success without YouTube

]]> By: Fed Up http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387172 Fed Up Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:53:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387172 Boy someone must be worried. What a "smear job" this is. The writer obviously know nothing about the Ron Paul campaign or who his supporters are. Boy someone must be worried. What a “smear job” this is. The writer obviously know nothing about the Ron Paul campaign or who his supporters are.

]]> By: Mark http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387155 Mark Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:11 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387155 I agree, action is required. You can track *some* of the action being taken at http://ronpaulreveres.com/canvass_totals , a website put up to help track door-to-door canvassing. The goal is get to people to register republican (for those states that require it) and to get the word out about Ron Paul's message so that people will be inspired to actually go to the polls. Further action: these folks have decided to move to NH to campaign full time: http://operationlivefreeordie.com/ and campaign for Ron Paul. http://www.nhpr.org/node/14331 There's even been volunteer phone banking to call voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as co-ordinated letter writing campaigns. http://www.louislogan.com/letters/index.asp That sure seems like alot of action and people *are* participating. Turnout at primaries is traditionally low, so it just doesnt take that many people to make a big impact. I agree, action is required.

You can track *some* of the action being taken at http://ronpaulreveres.com/canvass_totals , a website put up to help track door-to-door canvassing. The goal is get to people to register republican (for those states that require it) and to get the word out about Ron Paul’s message so that people will be inspired to actually go to the polls.

Further action: these folks have decided to move to NH to campaign full time:
http://operationlivefreeordie.com/ and campaign for Ron Paul.
http://www.nhpr.org/node/14331

There’s even been volunteer phone banking to call voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as co-ordinated letter writing campaigns.

http://www.louislogan.com/letters/index.asp

That sure seems like alot of action and people *are* participating. Turnout at primaries is traditionally low, so it just doesnt take that many people to make a big impact.

]]> By: Pliny http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387105 Pliny Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:14:38 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387105 There is not as much in common between the Paul campaign and the Dean campaign as you might suspect. Dean had a great deal of help from the mainstream media and from the monied special interests; Paul has neither. His support is almost all individual and those individuals who give money are most assuredly going to go vote. There is not as much in common between the Paul campaign and the Dean campaign as you might suspect. Dean had a great deal of help from the mainstream media and from the monied special interests; Paul has neither. His support is almost all individual and those individuals who give money are most assuredly going to go vote.

]]> By: realist http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387093 realist Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:40:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387093 Dean had more internet support? Care to point to some references Justin? stats? anything at all? Dean had more internet support? Care to point to some references Justin? stats? anything at all?

]]> By: Arkansas ForPaul http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387086 Arkansas ForPaul Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:30:29 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387086 Ron Paul acknowledges that he's probably not the best spokesman for his own cause. That's part of what endears him to many of us. But he DOES know what he's talking about -- on America's proper role in the world, on trade, on immigration, on health care, on fiscal policy, on individual responsibility. Americans are listening, and I predict that Paul and his supporters are gonna shock the world! Will the "Ron Paul Revolution" last beyond him? Every student of history knows that the people who create a revolution seldom are around to see its succesful conclusion. I see so many posts from people who say "Dr. Paul cured my apathy." Mine, too. There's no telling how many of these people will get their political feet wet in 2008, running for city councils, school boards and county commissions. The revolution has just begun. Ron Paul acknowledges that he’s probably not the best spokesman for his own cause. That’s part of what endears him to many of us. But he DOES know what he’s talking about — on America’s proper role in the world, on trade, on immigration, on health care, on fiscal policy, on individual responsibility. Americans are listening, and I predict that Paul and his supporters are gonna shock the world! Will the “Ron Paul Revolution” last beyond him? Every student of history knows that the people who create a revolution seldom are around to see its succesful conclusion. I see so many posts from people who say “Dr. Paul cured my apathy.” Mine, too. There’s no telling how many of these people will get their political feet wet in 2008, running for city councils, school boards and county commissions. The revolution has just begun.

]]> By: Ira Kaur http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387083 Ira Kaur Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:36:37 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387083 I think there is a key difference between Dean and Paul. I think if you look at the polls from the 03/04 primaries I think key differences. Dean was popular with the people who had voted in the previous election. Kerry on the other hand was not. These were people that had voted for Gore four years before (considering the polls are done based on the prior elections voters). Kerry had the support where it mattered. From the voters that were going to vote. The polling numbers prior to the election actually made no difference. The vote was what won it. Dean is nothing like Paul. Dean appeared the winner. Paul does not. It is more likely someone is going to vote if their candidate is they think they are going to lose then if they think they are going to win (in the early part of the election). After that people just start band-wagoning. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm I think there is a key difference between Dean and Paul. I think if you look at the polls from the 03/04 primaries I think key differences. Dean was popular with the people who had voted in the previous election. Kerry on the other hand was not. These were people that had voted for Gore four years before (considering the polls are done based on the prior elections voters). Kerry had the support where it mattered. From the voters that were going to vote. The polling numbers prior to the election actually made no difference. The vote was what won it. Dean is nothing like Paul. Dean appeared the winner. Paul does not. It is more likely someone is going to vote if their candidate is they think they are going to lose then if they think they are going to win (in the early part of the election). After that people just start band-wagoning.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

]]> By: joe http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387080 joe Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:11:42 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387080 Ron Paul is going to win, that's my prediction. Ron Paul is going to win, that’s my prediction.

]]> By: Chris Mcdonell http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387079 Chris Mcdonell Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:40:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387079 "Howard Dean had more money"?? That makes you an idiot. Ron Paul is approaching 20 million dollars this quarter alone with NO special interest or PAC money !! "Howard Dean had more support on the internet"?? LOL That makes you an even bigger idiot.; Do some reasearch before you write an article and make a fool of yourself. “Howard Dean had more money”?? That makes you an idiot. Ron Paul is approaching 20 million dollars this quarter alone with NO special interest or PAC money !! “Howard Dean had more support on the internet”?? LOL That makes you an even bigger idiot.; Do some reasearch before you write an article and make a fool of yourself.

]]> By: Sean Scallon http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387076 Sean Scallon Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:53:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387076 Psssst! Justin, just between you and me, I have to tell you that you're record is broken. While we're chatting here online, in the real world RP supporters are gathering signatures, running for delegate slots in GOP primaries, attending precinct meeting, etc. In other words they're doing the same thing Goldwater and McGovern supporters were doing to change their respective parties that their supporters took over. So why is Ron Paul any different? Does he have a lot of support from hardcore GOP voters? Probably not. That's why you have to grow the electoral base. That's why you organize and get peopole to switch their registration to the GOP. That's why you get members of the LP and CP to help out. That's why you appeal to people who've dropped out of politics. You can't win any other way. Maybe RP's butt will be kicked by Feb. 5. Fine then. That's just means we pick up the rubble after the GOP is crushed in Novermber of next year. Lot people who have worked this camapaign are becoming activists. They're announcing runs for Congress. They're taking over GOP committee slots. As I've said before the GOP is a dying political party. Literally. There's no reason why Paul supporters, like those of Goldwater and McGovern before him cannot change a major party. We're not talking the Communists here. Psssst! Justin, just between you and me, I have to tell you that you’re record is broken.

While we’re chatting here online, in the real world RP supporters are gathering signatures, running for delegate slots in GOP primaries, attending precinct meeting, etc. In other words they’re doing the same thing Goldwater and McGovern supporters were doing to change their respective parties that their supporters took over. So why is Ron Paul any different?

Does he have a lot of support from hardcore GOP voters? Probably not. That’s why you have to grow the electoral base. That’s why you organize and get peopole to switch their registration to the GOP. That’s why you get members of the LP and CP to help out. That’s why you appeal to people who’ve dropped out of politics. You can’t win any other way.

Maybe RP’s butt will be kicked by Feb. 5. Fine then. That’s just means we pick up the rubble after the GOP is crushed in Novermber of next year. Lot people who have worked this camapaign are becoming activists. They’re announcing runs for Congress. They’re taking over GOP committee slots. As I’ve said before the GOP is a dying political party. Literally. There’s no reason why Paul supporters, like those of Goldwater and McGovern before him cannot change a major party. We’re not talking the Communists here.

]]> By: truth http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387074 truth Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:40:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387074 From today's $555B omnibus bill: For expenses necessary for grants to enable the President to carry out the provisions of section 23 of the Arms Export Control Act, $4,588,325,000: Provided, That of the funds appropriated under this heading, not less than $2,400,000,000 shall be available for grants only for Israel, and not less than $1,300,000,000 shall be made available for grants only for Egypt: Provided further, That the funds appropriated by this paragraph for Israel shall be disbursed within 30 days of the enactment of this Act. Can anyone justify this? Within 30 days? We are 9Trillion in debt!!! From today’s $555B omnibus bill:
For expenses necessary for grants to enable the President to carry out the provisions of section 23 of the Arms Export Control Act, $4,588,325,000: Provided, That of the funds appropriated under this heading, not less than $2,400,000,000 shall be available for grants only for Israel, and not less than $1,300,000,000 shall be made available for grants only for Egypt: Provided further, That the funds appropriated by this paragraph for Israel shall be disbursed within 30 days of the enactment of this Act.
Can anyone justify this? Within 30 days? We are 9Trillion in debt!!!

]]> By: Gene http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387073 Gene Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:03:36 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387073 Comparisons to the Dean campaign are amusing to read...just very little to digest. Poll are taken to influence public opinion - nothing more, nothing less. Comparisons to the Dean campaign are amusing to read…just very little to digest. Poll are taken to influence public opinion – nothing more, nothing less.

]]> By: Richard Wicks http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/comment-page-3/#comment-387070 Richard Wicks Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:47:19 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/12/26/the-reality-of-ron-pauls-support/#comment-387070 70% of the entire US population is on the Internet: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm Why is the "real world" in such a disconnect with the "fake" one of the Internet, when 70% of Americans are on it, and using it? I should be happy about this though, finally, the death of bullshit fake media finally. No more lies about why we go to war. No more touting the "new economy" or telling gullible fools to buy at every dip from 2001 to 2003. No more "pundits" claiming that the housing market is secure in 2005. Die media, DIE - and die quickly. We're all sick of being lied to about everything from the economy to our foreign policy. I mean "dey hate us fer our freedum" - not because we overthrew the Iranian Democracy in 1953 with Operation Ajax and installed a police state dictator or anything like that. 70% of the entire US population is on the Internet:

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm

Why is the “real world” in such a disconnect with the “fake” one of the Internet, when 70% of Americans are on it, and using it?

I should be happy about this though, finally, the death of bullshit fake media finally. No more lies about why we go to war. No more touting the “new economy” or telling gullible fools to buy at every dip from 2001 to 2003. No more “pundits” claiming that the housing market is secure in 2005.

Die media, DIE – and die quickly. We’re all sick of being lied to about everything from the economy to our foreign policy. I mean “dey hate us fer our freedum” – not because we overthrew the Iranian Democracy in 1953 with Operation Ajax and installed a police state dictator or anything like that.

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