Ron Paul To Place 5th In Iowa
By Justin Gardner | Related entries in 2008 Election, Iowa, Ron PaulFred Thompson and John McCain are virtually tied with 14% apiece, and they’re pulling away from Ron Paul. Looks like he’ll end up with 10% of the vote, which is respectable, but we all know he was hoping for a lot more.
Still, he should be included in any forum or debate from here on out. Duncan Hunter is done. It’s a 5 man race now. Take note Fox News.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Nothing happened to Paul in Iowa that wasn’t expected, at least not that i didnt expect. Between the large number of social conservatives and the amount of corn subsidies those guys get libertarian talking points are not going to take hold. Frankly i’m pleasently surprised that he’s currently showing at 10%. What i’m waiting for is New Hampshire. thats where Paul should shine if he’s going to. That and super tuesday. Iowa was always a shot in the dark. Plus Hillary lost and Guiliani tanked and that feels too good to be too down about the evening.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 pm
When you say 5-person race, are you presuming that Thompson drops out?
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Well I think there is something very fishy considering how many people from Iowa donated to Ron Paul. And someone who brings up cheating in the vote count gets arrested and taken away. I wonder if he’ll end up on the wrong side of a water board. I bet there was Republican election fraud. Let get Pail More money and more ads and see what we can do to make sure NH people know about Ron paul and that votes get counted honestly for once.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Amen, Sister!!! I love Ron Paul and I will vote for him even if he isn’t on the ballot. Huckabee is gonna lose…unions will crush him for crossing picket lines on Leno, we will never have a President “Mittâ€, Fred Thompson…out!!! McCain is too short and loves the war, Ron Paul is the man for the job but the MSM continues to censor him. Giuliani will milk and exploit his 911 hero crap and the rest of the country will fall for it…hook, line, and sinker! He will also choose Jeb Bush as his running mate…just you wait and see.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I think as long as there is a well to draw from, the people will keep drawing from it, and voting for those promising the biggest well! Stand’s to reason. Still, Go Ron Paul! At least many are seeing new truths, Fox showing it’s true colors.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Until I hear some honest people verify that these votes were properly counted and reported, I will doubt everything that only the MSM is providing. With all the b*llshit they pull, it’s actually pretty stupid to assume their reports are 100% accurate and that the votes were not tampered with at all.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I agree with Stephanie with the farm subsidies comment.
-it was almost a three way tie for 3rd
(pretty good for a lack of media coverage for Paul)
-perhaps it was really a four way tie for 3rd. (Giuliani was surprisingly low)
– Assuming Thompson, McCain, Paul, & Giuliani each had roughly 10%
Then it is conceivable that 6% of Giuliani’s supports split to support Thompson and McCain to boost their numbers up to around 13%
Now,
The negative attack adds between the leaders can tear each other down leaving Paul unmolested.
Wyoming on 01/05/2008 may be a good showing for Rep. Ron Paul (although probably little media coverage)
New Hampshire, with it’s libertarian leanings, may be really big for Paul.
Also, I suspect that Nevada on the 19th will be good for Paul especially if N.H. is big on the 8th.
Let’s hope that the money raised by Rep. Paul can be put to good use in the lead up to the 5th of February.
Lastly,
Paul’s fund raising has been increasing at an exponential rate and far surpasses Huckabee.
Slow and steady wins the race, and if Paul is picking up speed then all the better.
I still remain optimistic.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 pm
“It’s a 5 man race now”
Paul received almost three times as many votes as Rudy… does that mean he and Hunter are the ones that are out to make it five?
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
No, I think Giuliani is out.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
RIGGED!!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
We KNOW whats going on… Its Bushit, and Im sure Ron Paul kicked everyone of these “actors” arses. The TRUTH will set us free, RP you got a vote from me and everybody, who can be so stupid as to believe the BS Faux News…
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Thanks for proving once again why the sane people are avoiding Paul like the plague. They’re afraid of being associated with people like the conspiracy theorists posting here.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 pm
It’s not a conspiracy. Ron Paul was, in fact, included on Fox News. We just all missed it. And really, if someone suspects cheating at the caucus, they should keep their mouth shut. Anyone that raises any questions about the process or our government SHOULD be removed! HR 1955!
What do they think this is, some kind of radical democracy?
Thanks for pointing that out, Jim! Keep the faith!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Now, I really don’t expect that RP won…
but I do think he earned and probably would/ should have taken a solid 3rd.
I totally agree with Steph- except the Hill monster thing. I’d LOVE to see her get the nom!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
It does not matter what happens after this election, Ron Paul started a Revolution in America. More and more people will embrace his ideas and sooner or later we will change the way we elect our government.
Corporate America has a lot of power right now but with the internet we the people, will prevail. Thanks RON for your leadership.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm
If you go to CNN.com and look at each county, Ron did very well in many. Some he placed as high as 2nd place and many in 3rd. I’m not surprised Paul pulled 5th, considering its Iowa as someone mentioned above, but I am surprised Thompson pulled 3rd considering Zogby had him at 8% or less. New Hampshire will be much better and much worse for Huckabee. He hasn’t gotta a chance there.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 pm
I think most of the responses here are pretty reasonable. I’m not concerned about how tough it is to verify precinct results (though in this day and age they really ought to change that).I think it’s awesome that he made double digits. When it looked like McCain and Thompson might beat him, that was my great hope. All the polls I ever saw for Iowa were between 0-9% and the one 9% was often considered some kinda of freak outlier. So it was pretty nice to see him edge the best outlying polls even. A stand out performance in NH (always considered more likely) could still get the RP party started.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Another fruitcake posts and proves my point.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Here’s the telling thing.. go here.. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#IAREP
and look at the “Feelings About Bush Administration” rows.. 68% were either “enthusiastic” or “satisfied” – and who did they vote for. Yikes.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Ron Paul did pretty much as I expected him to do. I think those claiming he will win in a “landslide” are deluding themselves with their hopes. I had hoped he’d come in third, in which he would have basically been considered the big winner, but the distance between Paul and third was not very big.
What made me angrier than anything however, is the joke that is CNN. Now I typically read CNN because I find their site a little more bearable than Fox News or MSNBC’s cluttered mess. But WTF – when covering the results, instead of putting Ron Paul’s percentage on their pie charts, they put a grey area with no name on it. Paul did only 2-3% worse than Thompson and McCain (10% of the vote) – I think he and his supporters deserved to at least have his name appear in their pie chart. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I really am beginning to believe that the mainstream media is bunk. No more CNN for me.
Furthermore, the mainstream media paid no mention to the fact that 10% is significantly better than all their polls were predicting for Paul (he was in the mid-single digits just yesterday, if I remember right? In fact, it’s almost twice as much as they were predicting in Iowa.) Obama and Huckabee’s decisive wins (by around 9% each over the next in line) when just yesterday they were in a supposed dead heat proves that the media has no idea what they are doing, and that they’ve pretty much been wasting our time with their predictions and their agendas for the past 3 months.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:22 am
I expected better showing for paul, i think all the paul supporters were taking 4th. 5th is what the MSM predicted, they got it right. But the race is wide open, i dont think Gullianis out of it. Huckabe is going to take a hit in NH. Mcain couldn’t get 3rd. so, he didnt have it as planned either. There is still very much a probability of a 3rd in NH. he’ll need that, otherwise the support might die off.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Republicans held a straw vote that attracted the most proactive, interested and determined conservatives and evangelicals, and Paul, with a quantum boost in finances to help propel his campaign, drew a scant 10 percent.
I’m no Republican, but if I was one I don’t think I would want to extend an assured place to Paul in any forum or debate. That would certainly be the case if Paul does little or no better in New Hampshire.
Re: the charge Paul has been largely ignored by the media. On what planet?
January 4th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Man, Jim S. –
You sure spend a lot of time posting against Dr. Paul.
Why?
Why not go and post positively for your Neocon?
Don’t go away mad, just go away.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Darren,
You have no right whatsoever to tell me to go away. I was reading this site well before the Paulista invasion. I post against Paul because he’s a nutcase. His economics and foreign policy concepts are nothing but simple answers for complex questions that don’t stand a chance of helping anything. His belief in the gold standard completely ignores the weaknesses of that system. His hyperisolationism would not help the United States. The strong belief of he and his true, blind believers that they and only they understand the Constitution and that it must remain frozen in the 18th Century unless amended by a purposefully cumbersome process ignores the reality of existence in the 21st Century.
And frankly, I don’t think there is any political belief dumber than libertarianism. Communism is a very, very close second but libertarians have a real problem with reality. Anyone who thinks that a nation of 300,000,000 with a polity that consists of states, counties, cities and towns that in turn exists in a world of 6 billion and growing can count on things to work out with a virtually non-existent central government incapable of even trying to come up with national policies for anything other than defense and diplomatic relations has a really weak grasp on reality. At least when I read Harry Potter I don’t think that in reality someone has a magic wand (The Almighty, All-Knowing Mysterious Power of the Free Market) that will solve everything and make it all hunky dory for most people and it’s all their fault for those others anyway.
And I’d never vote for a Neocon any more than I’d vote for a libertarian or a psuedo-libertarian like Ron Paul.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Sigh. Of course Paul is a pseudo-libertarian, not “psuedo”.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:19 am
I think Ron Paul will still be able to pull ahead and win the whole thing, I havent met a person yet who, once listening to his ideas didnt decide he was the right man for the job. I firmly believe hes the only guy running that has real integrity and people can see that if they just take a look at what he has to say.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:57 am
Jim has his panties all bunched and he sounds shrill. This is big jims board and there must be some sort of pecking order. Sigh! Jim is a local and he has zero tolerance.
“You have no right whatsoever to tell me to go away” Jim, get a hold yourself, sigh. This is not your forum. I don’t care how long you have been reading here or posting! “Another fruitcake post and proves my point” I am certain that many folks here have read your drivel and took what they could from it, then moved on without calling names. Rolls eyes….Sighs…..scratching my hand.
SIGH! Did you really sigh when you noted your error. Of course you did! That’s funny in a gay sort of way…I mean a good gay way…oh…sigh. I have a feeling you know what I mean.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Jim S has a right to blog here as well as everyone else. Its just a matter of philosophy. Jim is a Big Government kind of guy. If he likes paying taxes to support dictatorships all over the world as well as a crashing dollar, then that is his right. You have to respect his right to put down anything he wants. I’d fight for his freedom to do so. Myself, I’m all for RP in this election. By trying to belittle Jim, some of you guys are using the Faux News tactics (not very much respect for his Constitutional right to freedom of speech). Fellow RP supporters, get with the program here. The Constitution goes for everyone, not just us. Badmouthing others will just end up giving us all a bad name.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Sometimes people think to hard about all the reasons something will not work instead of just getting it done. We need to fix are Government, the Constitution has all the answers, you and a lot of other people may not like them because it would require people to be accountable for there own actions. I do not want or need the central government to help me, my local government should do that if needed. You say the gold standard has weakness, ok it has weakness but it is solid it is tangible it is not going to going away. Those states, counties, cities and towns you talk about. They know what they need better that some government machine that doesn’t really have the peoples best interest at heart.
At least that is how I will vote. Personally I feel socialism is the dumbest political belief.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Jim, you sound like the man with all of the answers. You should run for office.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Jim S – “reality of existence in the 21st Century”?
The United States has 25% of the world’s prison population
The United States has 700 bases in 130 different countries
We support dictatorships and pre -emptive war
We have the historic lowest popularity for a President and V.P. that routinely ignore the Constitution…ditto Congress
We have a shrinking dollar and a looming financial collapse
We have a huge deficit and an aging population…social security? HA!
We have lobbyists, illegal farm subsidies, oil company subsidies and a Corporate run media with a huge bias for their interests
We have a right vs left mentality…when that’s not the real issue
We have a “Federal Reserve” which isn’t owned by the people
We are monitored via satellite, e-mail and phone tapping
We have Democrats acting like socialists
We have Republicans acting like Fascists
If you don’t like Ron Paul, that’s fine. What is it about protecting
liberty, a fiscally responsible and small government and adherence to the Constitution you don’t like?
So are you a fascist or a socialist? Have the balls to say who you support.
I’m voting for Ron Paul because I think the least government is the best.
Ron Paul is not a wasteful spender
Ron Paul will let YOU run your life
Ron Paul is not a fascist or a socialist…he’s something you might not recognize…because the reality of the 21st century is we have become sheep.
Ron Paul is a Patriot…you may realize that when it’s too late.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Come to think of it, Ron Paul is the real “uniter” in this race. The nonsensical ramblings of his cult of followers unites political antipodes like myself and Jim S. to point out what a bunch of lunatics you are.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Ron Paul does not believe in liberty. He just thinks it’s up to the states to restrict it in the name of conservative Christianity. It’s just another of those foolish things that his followers believe.
One of them writes this:
And that shows all you need to know about the typical Ron Paul supporter. Shrill, ignorant, incapable of dealing with a world that isn’t simplistic black and white and far too full of themselves in their self-righteousness.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am
And I forgot one of their most endearing qualities.
The emotional and mental maturity of an eleven year old and abiding homophobia, just like their hero.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Bob C, excellent comment. Could you tell me where you get your stats on the ‘U.S. has 25% of the world’s prison population’ part I find that hard to believe. The rest of what you said seemed right on with how I feel however. If you could email where you got those stats I’d appreciate it.
On another note for all here, whether you are pro-Paul or hate the man you cn not deny the media fudges things to or hides info to get people to vote for their chosen candidates. CNN not listing Paul’s numbers, Paul not being allowed to debate more than once and likely to not be allowed in the coming weeks. Come On! Hopefully people are starting to see the TV industry and radio industries for what they really are ‘a human mantra effect brainwashing establishment.’ They never have been objective and they create images of the world for us to have that coinside with how they want us to think. At least everyone should start to question the media a bit more.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
“We have Democrats acting like socialists.”
How about looking up “socialism” and “socialist” in the dictionary, then posting some proof: names, examples, etc.
Otherwise, you’ll leave us with the impression you’ll say anything, true, sensible or not, to advance your point of view, and so caught up in your own hyperbole that you’ve lost touch with reality.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
How about looking up “socialism” and “socialist” in the dictionary, then posting some names and examples?
Otherwise, you’ll leave us with the impression you’re spouting nonsense and will say anything, no matter how groundless and ridiculous, to advance your point of view.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I watched and waited, and it appeared the first of my similar comments above had not gone through. So, I created what turned out to be a repeat. Sorry, please feel free to delete one of them.
January 5th, 2008 at 9:26 am
What about Rudy, who received billion of dollars worth of free press because in the so-called scientific polls of ignorant people conducted by the press and used “justify” giving Ron Paul no press for the last year.. What about Rudy, should he be included in the Fox forum?
January 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
There are about 8.7 million prisoners in the world. The US holds about 2 million of them. We also have the highest incarceration rate in the world according the the DoJ – 686 per 100,000 citizens. China, a nation of over 1 billion has only 75% of the prison population of the US, and prisons and numbers of prisoners are growing at 4% per year. Another example of the failed War on Drugs.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r188.pdf
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1209-01.htm
http://www.alternet.org/story/72031/?page=entire
The first myth I would like to debunk is that the recedivism for drug law violators is due to lifestyle or illogical choices. First, it is the drug laws themselves which encourage recedivism and random acts of violence, not the drugs themselves. Drug laws make the price of drugs high. When you get addicted, you have to rob or sell drugs or violate other laws to pay for the drugs. When you are caught, you get a felony attached to your name. When you get out of jail, you can’t get a job cause your record, but remember – the price of drugs is still high. So it is easier to sell drugs to get back on your feet. The illegality of drugs combined with the hashness of a felony record create a trap. Once inside that trap, it becomes easier to remain there and try to survive, than to seek a way out.
The second argument I would like to debunk is that the War on Drugs only hurts those who use drugs. This is only true if you forget about the effects of recedivism on families. Creating a system that punishes you after you have served your time, like our felony system does, actually encourages the destruction of low-income neighborhoods. Also, there is a huge burden on tax-payers to fund the police and incarceration system to monitor the underground drug trade. And if you care about other nations at all, the high price of drugs in the US, which is a result of its illegal status, creates the revenue for the international drug cartels that have more resources than the governments where the drugs are produced. Our drug policy has created the Colombia and Afghanistan we see today.
Finally, some say admit these problems and then claim, “well, we can’t just stop fighting drug abuse.” I agree, but this idea is premised upon the notion that the War on Drugs has been effective to some extent. Walk into the ‘hood’. The War on Drugs is a complete and utter failure. It has failed to achieve a solution to any of the problems for which it was implemented. The ghettos could not be any worse! They are filled with drugs, and random violence, as drug dealers mark territory and enforce contracts without a legal system – users spread their addiction around the community through violence and robbery – recedivism and welfare have completely obliterated the institution of family – and now, mandatory sentencing laws are creating the greates penal nation in the world.
We must stop this policy.
January 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Your wrong about the Democrats being Socialist. The Republicans are just as Socialist. The differences between their Socialism is one of International vs. National Socialism. The Democrats favor International Socialism, whle the Republicans favor National Socialism.
According to the Communist Manifesto, 10 planks are prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism. Here are the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. – (zoning laws, property taxes, emminant domain)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. – (self explanatory)
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. – (estate taxes)
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. – (declaration, and criminal forfeiture laws (law enforcement love criminal forfeiture laws, that’s why the spend so much time fighting this type of crime over other types))
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. – (Federal Reserve (money socialism), legal tender laws)
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. – (DoTrasportation, ICC, FCC)
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. – (DoAgriculture, DoD, NParksService)
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. – (Affirmative Action, encourage the movement of women into labor force by providing ‘free’ daycare through ‘public’ education, minimum wage laws)
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. – (economic incentives for low wage areas, distructrion of Federalism, move toward Central authority)
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. – (DoE, NCLB, Federal Student Aid)
January 5th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
rhys posts about one issue that I do agree with Ron Paul on.