Libertarianism isn’t just about being anti-tax and pro-choice. (And libertarians do disagree on the latter.)

I am sick and tired of you outright fundamentally changing your story for convenience in attacking Ron Paul. First, you said that the newsletter was 80% written by Rockwell and then listed a number of other people who wrote it. Then, you said you wanted to “revise” your story and said that Paul actually wrote half of it, and that Rockwell wrote “80% of what was ghostwritten.” When you make such fundamental changes in your story that display a clear intent of yours to attack Ron Paul, it calls your credibility greatly into question.

Furthermore, you have been on record before as saying that you don’t think Paul is a bigot or, more specifically, an anti-semite. (I will gladly dig that up for you if you would like.) Now you are basically implying that Ron Paul is a raging bigot.

As far as stuff coming out about what has been in his books… dude. All of his books besides A Foreign Policy of Freedom are all online in PDF form on the Ron Paul Library website. They are there for the public to see. If there is a controversy involving this, it would have already happened in the blogosphere. Perhaps there is an explanation as to why his books haven’t entered this story, because if they did, this following quote from Freedom Under Siege would have gotten out:

“There are times when it seems like we get our system of values from television productions. Professional wrestling is one of the few programs which started on TV in the late 1940s and now claims more viewers than ever. There are no rules, and it is associated with contrived (but unreal) violence: mockery of the referee, racism, absence of sportsmanship, yelling, screaming, and hatred. Reasonable rules of decency are totally ignored. The shows get worse every year; belts, chains, and cages are now part of the acts. Twenty wrestlers are put into a ring without a referee and a free-for-all erupts — the more violent, the more the crowd cheers the ridiculous charade.”

Freedom Under Siege, btw, was published years before the controversial content in the newsletters.

You really are a piece of work.

Who gives a shit if Lew Rockwell wrote them? The point is: it wasn’t Ron Paul. There’s not a racist bone in his body, as the NAACP President, whom has known Dr Paul for 20 years, says.

If you’re so big on accountability, can you point to even one of the candidates from either party that should even share the same room as Dr Paul, in terms of being a man of integrity? Apart from Dennis Kucinich, and (maybe) Mike Gravel, the answer is clearly NO.

We should ALL support Dr Paul, before it’s too late for this country. You want your country back? Now’s your chance. Don’t blow it.

BECAUSE IT DOESN’T BLEEPING MATTER!

Whether Rockwell, Rothbard, or Ricky Ricardo wrote that stuff TEN YEARS AGO really doesn’t matter, because it is a freaking small potato in comparison to the big picture problems of NOW, which is the economy and the war. Next they’ll complain he mde a left turn without signalling while back in medical school or some other irrelvant nonsense. The only thing it serves to do is distract from the real issues, and that is the real problem with the whole thing, not who wrote it and whether or not Dr. Paul should expose them.

Sheesh! We have the forest on fire and you’re worried about one weed planted a decade ago in that forest? WHATEVER!

BTW, my anti-spam passwords below read “Service Communist” Hi Eric !

So, why is it that when white Gentiles discriminate they are given these comic book names like racist?

This may be old news to many of the militia members of the Libertarian party, but for those of us new to the Ron Paul story the past 6 months, this is a heartbreak.

Ron thinks guarding the name of a bigot or homophobe is more important thatn the 30mm he has taken from the public to be a serious candidate. He dishonors every minority who supported him with a dollar or a minute of time.

Ron deserves the same scrutiny as every other candidate, and the media has been soft on him. His story that he “has no idea” who wrote the letters is pathetic and lame. It breaks my heart.

Sad but True

When does the book come out?

I joined the libertarian movement in 1985 cause I was told that libertarians were essentially “Anti-Tax yet Pro-Choice”? Now you’re telling me that’s not true? Libertarian now means Pro-Tax and Anti-Choice?

I guess you’re a Huckabee supporter, ‘eh? He fits that bill.

Here’s a tidbit for you all: Heavy rumors that Ron Paul’s longtime Congressional Chief of Staff Tom Lizardo has just resigned. Uncofirmed, but nobody with the Paul camp is denying it. Seems Lizardo had it out with the Campaign staff over Lew Rockwell owning up to the comments.

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FYI: President Bush finished his overseas Peace trip with the OK for a $20 billion sale of advanced weaponry to our
current” Persian Gulf friends. See the following for details.

http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/iran/articles/arms_deal_falls_short/

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eye openers for sure….

Leaving aside some of the more conspiratorial paranoia manifesting in this thread (On a payroll!!! You “bushite, you! — LOL!!!), I understand, at least empirically, why some of Ron Paul’s more ardent supporters are having a problem.

When people become this emotionally invested in a candidate, it’s tremendously difficult for them to change their views. It’s not unlike certain religious manifestations. Completely, blindly based on faith.

And while I agree with you totally about Ron Paul and his lying on this subject, I can relate to becoming emotionally invested in a candidate. I suspect many of us will find ourselves supporting — and defending — candidates strenuously and heatedly before this election is finished.

Rationality must be deliberately courted and actively maintained to avoid the trap into which some of the Paulites have fallen jumped, and there’s little point in trying to convince them of anything they don’t already believe.

Even if you had a video of Dr. Paul wearing a mini skirt & torturing puppies, I’d still vote for him before any of the other clowns because on the big time important issues, he’s quite simply the only sensible choice to help slow down the rotting of America.

And at least be fair & relative about Dr. Pauls scandals, so called.. use a scandal scale, perhaps the “Duke Cunningham scale”, compare Dr. Pauls alleged behavior to the rest of the DC mafia establishment. Compared to the Clinton & Bush clans, Dr. Pauls “scandals” are like comparing a firecracker to Hiroshima.

It’s still far from obvious who wrote the offending words, and that Ron Paul knows who wrote them. Lew Rockwell participated in the newsletters. Wow. Unless there’s some evidence that he wrote the ones in question, I don’t see how it’s even relevant.

And when did Ron Paul say anything other than “I don’t really care who wrote them, it’s old news?” If he’d said “No, Mr. Reporter, I have no clue who wrote those statements; if only I did” and it turned out that Lew wrote them, then the basic premise of your article here would have a bit of substance. The fact of the matter is, Ron Paul simply never thought his dumb newsletter from a decade ago that he didn’t write was important enough to make a fuss about.

Finally, I still can’t believe how far out of proportion you’re blowing this. Worst case scenario: He lied to protect a friend. That’s not even remotely close to the campaign destroying, credibility sapping smoking gun that you’re talking about. One vague, ancient blemish isn’t a huge deal, no matter how hard to try to convince people that it exists.

Writing like this makes you look weak and shows clearly that you have nothing to back up your claim. This hurts you as the writer.

Mr. Gardner, if that is your real name and I have no reason to believe that it is, this is the kind of smear piece that will destroy your ability to ever get a real job beyond the world of nonsense blogging.

You sir are a giant slug. May you get all that you deserve.

Finally, if you were older than 19 you might know that Reason and CATO are huge enemies of Mr. Rockwell because he is more tolerant than they and they have been smearing him for years. That Reason piece relies on a TNR piece that has been shredded by anyone with a brain.

To those Americans that don’t know what I am talking about, the children at Reason weren’t even born when this first hit the public eye and this has been rehashed over and over. Every time Ron Paul runs for something, they pull out this tired old junk that proves nothing and make a big deal out of things like Ron Paul knowing that the Federal Reserve is run by a bunch of powerful bankers, and other such truths that are evident to any thinking person. Granted a few sentences taken out of context are not pretty, but thirty years ago, we all didn’t have to sanitize our thoughts and words as we do today. I am not saying that racism is ever ok, but you have to read things in context.

For example, did you know Abraham Lincoln wrote this:

I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. (4th debate with Douglas)

Not everyone is perfect all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebC4fsqXz8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGYhOFxXYzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRBFzMljCXU

Anyway carry on ignoring the issues and focusing on sensationalized tid bits, that is how we choose our leaders in America these days… Welcome to the nation Jerry Springger built.

Read more closely. The JimS who recently showed up and supports Ron Paul isn’t me. And if there’s anything I know, based on what you’ve written I’m not going to be following your advice on anything, much less quitting commenting. And don’t worry, you’ll never be writing any of the sane posts.

And to the other JimS, I suggest you pay more attention to what Justin Gardner has written. He never particularly bought into Paul actually being a racist but considers all of the tap dancing around the newsletter issue to be a disgrace. One reason I think he’s so disappointed is that he was flirting with the idea of supporting him if I remember correctly.

“Let’s see…74 comments and I think I counted two of them that were sane. Sad.”

and followed up by:

“At this point I don’t give a rats ass who wins or not - we are going to Hell in a hand basket and you Jackasses are killing the little bit of hope about 10% of us had left - well done… careful what you wish for - see you in the breadline.”

How does your above quotation show any type of sanity?
How are we Jackasses killing your hope?

I do agree that if Dr. Paul is not elected the financial irresponsibility of any of the other candidates could very well land us in a breadline.

I reccommend, just stop commenting Jim.

He’s not a flip flopper
He’s not a warmonger
He doesn’t take buyouts
Lobbyists stay away from him because they know they’re wasting thier time.

Those reasons alone make him better than any other candidate.

Just like it was becoming increasingly apparent that Ron Paul was a racist…And now he is “just complacent”..

Look - how about a little less opinion and a little more research.

At this point I don’t give a rats ass who wins or not - we are going to Hell in a hand basket and you Jackasses are killing the little bit of hope about 10% of us had left - well done… careful what you wish for - see you in the breadline.

Jim

On another site, I just seen you blast someone because they weren’t attacking Ron Paul anymore, for changing and calling them a hypocrite, when you yourself were also the exact opposite at the time.

Then you go around making all these claims, with nothing to back it up. All the while making false claims on the so called existing evidence.

Do you really think anyone takes you seriously?

Judging by what you say and who you support, you’re just a facist. No wonder Ron Paul fired you. I hope you do keep making those accusations, and try to tie him to whatever you can. Because all you do is draw attention to Ron Paul, and people will wonder why he gets attacked with such bullshit. People aren’t as dumb as you may want them to be.

If this situation took place once, and he took action to correct what was said, that would be respectable. He did not and there were multiple letters over a period of years.

Do I think he is racist, no, but this shows a serious lack of judgment.

Since Ron Paul will follow the Constitution he will not have undue power over me.

I can’t say that about any other candidate He has not shown that he would govern any differently than he has over 20 years.

Therefore he is the BEST CANDIDATE in 2008.

Get me Jesus Christ or resurrected Gandi in 2012 and I may vote for them. But drop this trash and focus on some issues Justin.

Got a quote? I’ve read quite a bit on this, and watched Paul’s CNN interview, and I’ve never seen or heard him say anything about a “crazy staffer.”

http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqM5E1Yie4

It is apparent that you and the rest of the neolibercondonkykong movement are nothing more than foot soldiers for Mr. and Mrs. Nanny. One wonders whats worse. The ridiculing of men like Paul and Rockwell who have laid the very foundation for orgnaizations like reason and donkypharm, or actually offering to do the dirty work for Mrs. Nanny, because she’s way to busy to try and divide the Paul movement. Besides, maybe nanny thinks that Justin Gardener can do a much better job because maybe he’s got a voice within the movement. Either way it doesn’t matter who wrote the newsletters. Justin Raimono swiftly clears up the mis reporting about them and exposes the real reasons for your attacks. Maybe your right, maybe we shouldn’t just move on, maybe we should change the debate about whos really at fault here.

what’s wrong author? not juicy enough for you?

In short, the multiculturalists are “collectivists” and big statists who probably fear the resurgence of American identity and constitutionalism more than any one candidate. But Paul is the messenger. And why should the mainstream media pick up on a little race baiting, when all the candidates do it quite prolifically? Just consider the sources of these postings and look at Huntington’s quote … the correlation makes some sense.

Oh my god! You mean that Dr. Paul isn’t pointing fingers at those not running for office to duck the blame that he has already accepted. He said the “Moral Responsibility” was his, so what else matters?

Oh my god! You mean that Dr. Paul isn’t wasting campaign time, message money, and personal energy on dealing with this garbage? Instead he is putting forth the message that his supporters want heard?

Oh my god! You mean that Dr. Paul is in fact tailoring some of his statements to put forth a better face to the media? I have NEVER heard of a politician doing that before!

Doctor Paul didn’t wasn’t really interested in running. Those who have supported his message for years talked him into it. He is being used as the figurehead of a grassroots effort to free our country from the excessive evils of big government. And if you don’t agree that a government that gets what it wants through the threat of force isn’t using evil then you are sadly mistaken. Any true American citizen should be thanking Dr. Paul for bringing diversity into our political arena, and putting forth the opinions and beliefs of real people rather than lobbyists, PAC’s, special interest groups, big business, and a media that has lost its sense of importance between news and views.

Any American citizen that believes in Government of the people, by the people, and for the people should thank Dr. Paul for putting his name, reputation, and time on the line for OUR interests.

Hillary Clinton and PETER PAUL!!!!!

This would NOT hold up in court.

Have you heard about Hillary Clinton and Peter Paul?

If ever there were a story to cover… THAT would be it…

Again… Hillary Clinton and Peter Paul…..

By the way, where is your source for Paul saying that he fired someone?

“What you all don’t seem to understand is that yes, Rockwell did write a substantial part of those Newsletters, but so did Ron Paul.”

Really? Do you have some kind of source for that tid-bit? No? So is that just your belief?

“My sources are indicating that there’s much more to come out from Paul’s books, attendance at highly controversial fringe group meetings, and on the financial medling of Paul enterprises front.”

What sources? Why are you even writing this if you don’t even have any information to include?

“The real meat of the Ron Paul story is in the financial realm: The Nadia Hayes embezzlement scandal of the 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign and whether Hayes acted alone, the 1992 Ron Paul for President campaign and what happened to all that money raised, the mixing of Ron Paul’s various enterprises under one roof - political campaigns, Newsletter production, ect…

And on top of all this, there’s the controversial events attended by Paul himself over the years, including Confederate and Separatist meetings.

Then there’s the Ron Paul books, about 8 of them, loaded with highly inflammatory statements, much like those in the Newsletters.”

Great! So until you have something to say about the subject, other than just intimating that there is one, why are you writing this at all?

You have managed to write three posts that say ‘just wait, just wait, we’ll be coming up with something that actually is significant soon’, which only points out to everyone that presently, you have nothing to write about, but you are obsessed with digging something up.

You people are all guilty of posting hate-literature all over the internet, because for now, you don’t know if it’s the truth.

attacked like this. Most people have given up reading the non-sense because most of us see through it, the rest

would just prefer to wallow in mud. Go ahead google any candidate you want and I guarantee someone attacked them as

a racist. No truth to it.

Paul lent his name to a small newsletter for a short time that he did not edit, while he was out of politics and

concentrating on delivering babies. I look at it as running an unmoderated blog in the days before the internet. The

writing style was not Ron Paul’s. In his newsletters since being back in Congress, he is clearly in charge and they

are wonderful to read. Clearly Paul is the most vehement anti-racist, anti-sexist, pro-individual, and pro-gay

rights person in Congress. He ran as a Libertarian Presidential candidate for gosh sakes. The New Republic did not

even contact Ron Paul to talk to him about their story and they did not seem to know that it had been discussed ad

nauseum several times over the years and dismissed as not reflecting Ron Paul’s beliefs. The New Republic, if you

will remember, compared Ross Perot to Hitler! Ron Paul is a good man being smeared for political reasons.

Check out this video for the CNN interview with Ron Paul where he explains his position:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd1LOzDLgkg

Learn why we need Ron Paul and freedom candidates.

Talk by Naomi Wolf (a great liberal writer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Napolitano - Unconstitutional Patriot Act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SU0zuUzrSg

Ron Paul Republican Bruce Fein supports impeachment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ymlViJ7DvI

A Liberal re-thinks Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DueIGWpXjrU

H.R. 1955 - Thought Crimes Law in U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKbvGlaCZ4

Illegal Executive Orders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWIHbf50EI

How to End the Iraq War Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLcUS9c9Kbo

The issues in these links above are far more important than the same old typical, petty, political slander.

Secondly, your entire assumption is based on David Weigel who says he’s quoting Tom Lizardo, Ron Paul’s Chief of Staff. First, you have to trust David Weigel’s integrity to correctly quote Lizardo. But he ISN’T quoting him even though he claims the statement was on the record - her paraphrases him. What exactly did Lizardo say? Next, you have to trust that (1) Lizardo knows what he’s talking about, and (2) Lizardo is actually willing to sell out Ron Paul.

(1) Lizardo is legally barred from having anything to do with Ron Paul’s campaign, so it is unlikely at this stage, since Ron Paul is mostly campaigning right now, that he is in the know about much going on regarding these matters.

(2) It is HIGHLY unlikely that Lizardo, who is Ron Paul’s “longtime Chief of Staff” would suddenly sell him out with such a damning statement - and especially go to the trouble to make sure it is on the record!

I’m certainly not interested in blindly defending Dr. Paul’s honor in this case - I’m not deeply attached to him or his candidacy. However, I have to seriously doubt Weigel’s journalistic integrity on this one. Additionally, with all the reasons to doubt the account, I would certainly not go as far to offer this clip from an article paraphrasing a guy who is unlikely to know about or talk about damning evidence against Dr. Paul as CONCLUSIVE PROOF of anything.

That, Mr. Gardner, would be very sloppy and unprofessional. This seems to be less “objective journalism” and more of a desire to simply piece together any shred of evidence, not matter how scant, just to PROVE what you have already decided is fact long before weighing any of the evidences. Isn’t that foolish as those who blindly defend Dr. Paul without weighing the evidence either?

You do realize, you’re not actually doing anyone a service here, right?

Whats worse, providing your name to a politically incorrect newsletter, or allowing your employees to be killed on your watch? Hmm.

What about all the black power support for Obama? We have not heard word one about that. Not ONE word. Obama was addicted to coke at one time.. I find that to be ‘no big deal’ because he is not addicted to coke now. So Ron Paul had some stupid ass newsletters at one time, and made money off of them. Hes not making money off of them now, and has disavowed them. so.. who cares?

Another thing - alot of the crap the TNR brings up is extremely stupid - they use a paragraph about bobby fischer to paint the newsletter as ‘jew hating’. The paragraph said nothing but say ‘nice job bobby fischer for doing well in chess.. even though you say some politically incorrect things about jews, good job.” so.. he died today and CNN ran a huge piece on what a great chess master Bobby Fischer was. Does CNN hate jews?

Why is it that the media has to point out all of the negative things associated with Ron Paul, but not the positive things - like his speech on Mohamed Ali.

“My sources are indicating that there’s much more to come out from Paul’s books, attendance at highly controversial fringe group meetings, and on the financial medling of Paul enterprises front.”

His books have been in the public record for years, so I doubt there’s anything smear-worthy there, or his Congressional opponents would have already dug it up, as they did with the newsletters.

Highly controversial fringe group meetings? You mean like the Mises Institute, a scholarly think tank of Austrian economics? Sorry, Kirchuck already tried that one, and got it wrong.

Financial meddling? I have to laugh at that one. You could make a stronger case against Jim Cramer than Ron Paul, I think it’s safe to say. (Not to mention Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke!)