Comments on: Obama’s Solutions http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:51:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Name http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-409270 Name Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:47:53 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-409270 OBAMA IS NOT JESUS. COME ONE GUYS YOU CANT EVEN COMPARE. MANY ARE ACTING THIS WAY. THIS IS SOMETHING SERIOUS. OUR DECISION, OUR VOTE IS SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS. YES POLITICS ARE EMOTIONAL BUT DONT LET THE EMOTIONAL GET IN THE WAY OF THE RATIONAL IN THIS RACE. BE RESPONSIBLE AND SMART ABOUT YOUR CHOICE. ALL THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD SPEAKER AND USES REALLY GOOD WORDS LIKE "CHANGE" AND "HOPE" IS THE SAME WAY VENEZUELA FELL UNDER THE POWER OF CHAVEZ. OBAMA IS NOT THE FIRST WHO HAS ATTRACTED PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HIS WORDS. HIS SPEECHES ARE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD, THE ONLY THING PEOPLE SEEM TO LISTEN TO IS HOPE AND CHANGE. OBAMA MANY OF US ARE STILL WONDERING HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE??? FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THE WAY TO YOUR SOLUTIONS WILL ONLY CREATE MORE PROBLEMS. OBAMA HAS LITTLE EXPERIENCE, NOT ENOUGH TO GOVERN A WHOLE COUNTRY. PEOPLE'S BLIND TRUST ARE NOT LETTING THEM SEE THAT HE IS NOT PREPARED. OHHHH BUT LET'S HOPE THAT HE IS AND RISK IT ALL. WE ARE ALSO STILL WONDERING WHO THE HELL ARE YOU OBAMA??? MANY PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE A RADICAL DISGUISED AS A WHITE DOVE. YOUR RELATIONS WITH RADICALS, YOUR 20 YEAR MEMBERSHIP TO THIS CHURCH, YOUR ENDORSEMENTS BY PEOPLE NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH. THERE ARE SO MANY OTEHR THINGS BUT MY FINGERS ALREADY HURT FROM SO MUCH TYPING. I DONT KNOW HOW JUSTIN DID IT BUT I GUESS IT HAS TO DO WITH HOPE (OR MAYBE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE TO BE WRONG). I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING VERY BEAUTIFUL AND VERY NICE BUT COMMON LETS BE REALISTIC. CAN WE HAVE HOPE IN THIS GUY??? I DON'T FIND REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT I CAN HAVE HOPE IN HIM. OBAMA IS NOT JESUS. COME ONE GUYS YOU CANT EVEN COMPARE. MANY ARE ACTING THIS WAY. THIS IS SOMETHING SERIOUS. OUR DECISION, OUR VOTE IS SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS. YES POLITICS ARE EMOTIONAL BUT DONT LET THE EMOTIONAL GET IN THE WAY OF THE RATIONAL IN THIS RACE. BE RESPONSIBLE AND SMART ABOUT YOUR CHOICE. ALL THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD SPEAKER AND USES REALLY GOOD WORDS LIKE “CHANGE” AND “HOPE” IS THE SAME WAY VENEZUELA FELL UNDER THE POWER OF CHAVEZ. OBAMA IS NOT THE FIRST WHO HAS ATTRACTED PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HIS WORDS. HIS SPEECHES ARE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD, THE ONLY THING PEOPLE SEEM TO LISTEN TO IS HOPE AND CHANGE. OBAMA MANY OF US ARE STILL WONDERING HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE??? FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THE WAY TO YOUR SOLUTIONS WILL ONLY CREATE MORE PROBLEMS. OBAMA HAS LITTLE EXPERIENCE, NOT ENOUGH TO GOVERN A WHOLE COUNTRY. PEOPLE’S BLIND TRUST ARE NOT LETTING THEM SEE THAT HE IS NOT PREPARED. OHHHH BUT LET’S HOPE THAT HE IS AND RISK IT ALL. WE ARE ALSO STILL WONDERING WHO THE HELL ARE YOU OBAMA??? MANY PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE A RADICAL DISGUISED AS A WHITE DOVE. YOUR RELATIONS WITH RADICALS, YOUR 20 YEAR MEMBERSHIP TO THIS CHURCH, YOUR ENDORSEMENTS BY PEOPLE NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH. THERE ARE SO MANY OTEHR THINGS BUT MY FINGERS ALREADY HURT FROM SO MUCH TYPING. I DONT KNOW HOW JUSTIN DID IT BUT I GUESS IT HAS TO DO WITH HOPE (OR MAYBE YOU JUST DON’T LIKE TO BE WRONG). I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING VERY BEAUTIFUL AND VERY NICE BUT COMMON LETS BE REALISTIC. CAN WE HAVE HOPE IN THIS GUY??? I DON’T FIND REASONS TO BELIEVE THAT I CAN HAVE HOPE IN HIM.

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391236 abrisaham Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:36:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391236 And to compare it to Bush preemptively attacking Iraq is just so intellectually dishonest. It is precisely this parallel that needs to be drawn and pointed out. Barak Obama has to look as if hes not the mild dove he has painted himself so what does he do. He tries the manly thing by saying we will pull out of Iraq, leave no bases behind and then attack targets inside of Pakistan instead. This was the initial talking point the antiwar/far left used when the opposition to Iraq first sprung up. Go after Bin Laden in Pakistan not invade Iraq. It was laughed out of town then and it seems to be over looked now. George W. Bush set a dangerous precedent by declaring preemptive strikes as an official position and now Barak Obama who is so critical of GWB fighting of the war is now endorsing an equally dangerous and in my opinion indefensible preemptive position. If my taking to task Barak Obama's positions is a troll then I guess that is what I am. And to compare it to Bush preemptively attacking Iraq is just so intellectually dishonest.

It is precisely this parallel that needs to be drawn and pointed out. Barak Obama has to look as if hes not the mild dove he has painted himself so what does he do. He tries the manly thing by saying we will pull out of Iraq, leave no bases behind and then attack targets inside of Pakistan instead.

This was the initial talking point the antiwar/far left used when the opposition to Iraq first sprung up. Go after Bin Laden in Pakistan not invade Iraq. It was laughed out of town then and it seems to be over looked now.

George W. Bush set a dangerous precedent by declaring preemptive strikes as an official position and now Barak Obama who is so critical of GWB fighting of the war is now endorsing an equally dangerous and in my opinion indefensible preemptive position.

If my taking to task Barak Obama’s positions is a troll then I guess that is what I am.

]]> By: Rich Horton http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391217 Rich Horton Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:08:00 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391217 Justin, I really hope I'm not pissing you off too much. We have agreed on much in the past. I simply dont get it. It strikes me that if one is truly interested in charting a moderate course and one is given a choice between two candidates, one with no track record or working with the opposition and who has been embraced by the most intolerant and ideological wings of his own party, and another candidate with a track record of working with the opposition so extensive that half his own party hates his guts because he's not "one of them"...I just dont see how the former is preferred over the latter, no matter the "tone" of his rhetoric. When it comes to words vs. deeds...I'll take deeds as the better indicator of future behavior every time. Justin, I really hope I’m not pissing you off too much. We have agreed on much in the past. I simply dont get it. It strikes me that if one is truly interested in charting a moderate course and one is given a choice between two candidates, one with no track record or working with the opposition and who has been embraced by the most intolerant and ideological wings of his own party, and another candidate with a track record of working with the opposition so extensive that half his own party hates his guts because he’s not “one of them”…I just dont see how the former is preferred over the latter, no matter the “tone” of his rhetoric.

When it comes to words vs. deeds…I’ll take deeds as the better indicator of future behavior every time.

]]> By: Rich Horton http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391216 Rich Horton Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:00:48 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391216 <i>Rich, I produced literally mounds of evidence, but it’s still not good enough to pass your test. Oh well. Nothing I say will ever be enough for you so I’m done trying.</i> Its true. I will never be convinced that Obama's lack of actual accomplishments can be papered over by any number of (rather vague) pdf files. I'm weird that way. Rich, I produced literally mounds of evidence, but it’s still not good enough to pass your test. Oh well. Nothing I say will ever be enough for you so I’m done trying.

Its true. I will never be convinced that Obama’s lack of actual accomplishments can be papered over by any number of (rather vague) pdf files.

I’m weird that way.

]]> By: Jim S http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391211 Jim S Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:43:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391211 We know nothing about what any candidate for President will produce once they are in office until they are there and have had some time to begin affecting things. It's true for Obama but it is equally true for Clinton or McCain. Look what Bush turned out like whatever his rhetoric during the campaign was like. Compassionate conservative, my posterior. We know nothing about what any candidate for President will produce once they are in office until they are there and have had some time to begin affecting things. It’s true for Obama but it is equally true for Clinton or McCain. Look what Bush turned out like whatever his rhetoric during the campaign was like. Compassionate conservative, my posterior.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391183 Justin Gardner Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:46:38 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391183 Rich, I produced literally mounds of evidence, but it's still not good enough to pass your test. Oh well. Nothing I say will ever be enough for you so I'm done trying. Also, regarding Pakistan, I can assure you that nearly every single US President for over 40 years has authorized surgical strikes inside of countries without their permission and without declaring war on them. If you think that's a preemptive attack on Pakistan, you're treading in some really shallow waters historically. And to compare it to Bush preemptively attacking Iraq is just so intellectually dishonest. The same thing I said to Rich goes for you too abrisaham. This is just getting tiring and it really feels all you're doing is trolling and trying to waste my time. I stand by what I've produced. You can think Obama is paper thin if you want, but he has just as many "solutions" as anybody else and THAT was the point of this post. Rich, I produced literally mounds of evidence, but it’s still not good enough to pass your test. Oh well. Nothing I say will ever be enough for you so I’m done trying.

Also, regarding Pakistan, I can assure you that nearly every single US President for over 40 years has authorized surgical strikes inside of countries without their permission and without declaring war on them. If you think that’s a preemptive attack on Pakistan, you’re treading in some really shallow waters historically. And to compare it to Bush preemptively attacking Iraq is just so intellectually dishonest. The same thing I said to Rich goes for you too abrisaham. This is just getting tiring and it really feels all you’re doing is trolling and trying to waste my time.

I stand by what I’ve produced. You can think Obama is paper thin if you want, but he has just as many “solutions” as anybody else and THAT was the point of this post.

]]> By: Bob http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391175 Bob Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:42:18 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391175 For those interested, Mona Charen just published a new column about Obama that really explains his lack of substance. Check it out <a href="www.creators.com/opinion/mona-charen.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a>. For those interested, Mona Charen just published a new column about Obama that really explains his lack of substance. Check it out Here.

]]> By: Rich Horton http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391167 Rich Horton Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:05:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391167 <i>Rich - We? I don’t get it. Are you saying that a lack of concrete policy is endemic among all 3 people going for the top</i> Well, this was a post about Obama and how he was running some great isssue based campaign fuill of content, depth and details. This was NOT a post showing how Clinton and McCain were also running shallow campaigns. Those are two different arguments. No, I'm not surprised that Obama doesn't want to run that sort of campaign. He has very little poilitical experience to back up his pronouncements. Someone like McCain has a very long track record (which has its pluses and minuses for any candidate), which gives us the chance to hear what he says he WILL do and compare it with what he HAS done. Obama simply doesn't have the accomplishments to point to (and Clinton is only marginally better in this regard). But this merely explains why Obama does his song and dance about "Hope" and "Change" and the "Yes We Can" nonesense. It doesn't explain why we shouldn't look at what political record Obama does have (quite liberal, quite partisan), and find it sorely lacking. It is as if all you need is to "believe" Obama will make some great change and it will come into being....just like TinkerBell. So when people get that dreamy look in their eyes and say "Dont you BELIEVE in Obama!!", I reply: No, not really. Rich - We? I don’t get it. Are you saying that a lack of concrete policy is endemic among all 3 people going for the top

Well, this was a post about Obama and how he was running some great isssue based campaign fuill of content, depth and details. This was NOT a post showing how Clinton and McCain were also running shallow campaigns. Those are two different arguments.

No, I’m not surprised that Obama doesn’t want to run that sort of campaign. He has very little poilitical experience to back up his pronouncements. Someone like McCain has a very long track record (which has its pluses and minuses for any candidate), which gives us the chance to hear what he says he WILL do and compare it with what he HAS done. Obama simply doesn’t have the accomplishments to point to (and Clinton is only marginally better in this regard). But this merely explains why Obama does his song and dance about “Hope” and “Change” and the “Yes We Can” nonesense. It doesn’t explain why we shouldn’t look at what political record Obama does have (quite liberal, quite partisan), and find it sorely lacking.

It is as if all you need is to “believe” Obama will make some great change and it will come into being….just like TinkerBell.

So when people get that dreamy look in their eyes and say “Dont you BELIEVE in Obama!!”, I reply:

No, not really.

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391165 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:23:42 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391165 Actually I am Jewish, but I have nothing against Israel if that's your question. All politics is identity politics these days - plain and simple - policy discussions are fine but presidential politics is and always will be about emotion - look at the last 7 presidential elections to prove my point. The American people are used to voting for someone they have seen on TV , and who appears to like them, it's only later when they find out the guy/gal doesn't actually like them they just like power that they become disillusioned. That's it, they don't appear to give much more intellectual discussion to presidential policy issues. It's sad, but those appear to be the rules these days. I'm voting for Obama because there is no other politician that I have seen in my life time who has the ability to bring together so many different facets of America - and the country really needs that now. Does anyone realize how hard that is to do? Not one political leader has done that in my memory - they always want to divide and label, divide and label, divide and label - it's cynical. We are voting to give the American people their voice back - we are voting to say enough with politics as usual - we are voting in greater numbers then I have ever seen. But for god's sakes - to the greatest fear of all the DC insiders, the American people are voting. Actually I am Jewish, but I have nothing against Israel if that’s your question. All politics is identity politics these days - plain and simple - policy discussions are fine but presidential politics is and always will be about emotion - look at the last 7 presidential elections to prove my point. The American people are used to voting for someone they have seen on TV , and who appears to like them, it’s only later when they find out the guy/gal doesn’t actually like them they just like power that they become disillusioned. That’s it, they don’t appear to give much more intellectual discussion to presidential policy issues. It’s sad, but those appear to be the rules these days. I’m voting for Obama because there is no other politician that I have seen in my life time who has the ability to bring together so many different facets of America - and the country really needs that now. Does anyone realize how hard that is to do? Not one political leader has done that in my memory - they always want to divide and label, divide and label, divide and label - it’s cynical. We are voting to give the American people their voice back - we are voting to say enough with politics as usual - we are voting in greater numbers then I have ever seen. But for god’s sakes - to the greatest fear of all the DC insiders, the American people are voting.

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391164 Jimmy the Dhimmi Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:04:20 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391164 Well, I think you have made my point. This isn't about policy. Its about identity politics, pure and simple. Pudgy Jews can't close. Thats about it. (After reading what you said about Israel, It seems to me you would never vote for a Jew anyway.) You mentioned NAFTA and the telecom act, I don't think those are big time campaign issues for this years Dem race, are HC or BO really any different on those issues? Is this what voters really care about? Not really. What are we voting for? "<em>Hope and change!</em>" What specific policies are we hoping to change? "<em>...er, We're not sure!</em>" Besides "hope" and "change," what specific policies do you get from Obama than aren't offered by any other left-of-center candidate? <em>Umm...less baggage?"...no wait, He's not a Jew!</em> In closing, I'll leave you with a joke by comedian Nick D'Paulo: <em>I'm voting for Barack Obama this year, because I want a black man to give ME change for once."</em> admit it, you laughed. Well, I think you have made my point. This isn’t about policy. Its about identity politics, pure and simple. Pudgy Jews can’t close. Thats about it. (After reading what you said about Israel, It seems to me you would never vote for a Jew anyway.)

You mentioned NAFTA and the telecom act, I don’t think those are big time campaign issues for this years Dem race, are HC or BO really any different on those issues? Is this what voters really care about? Not really.

What are we voting for? “Hope and change!” What specific policies are we hoping to change? “…er, We’re not sure!” Besides “hope” and “change,” what specific policies do you get from Obama than aren’t offered by any other left-of-center candidate? Umm…less baggage?”…no wait, He’s not a Jew!

In closing, I’ll leave you with a joke by comedian Nick D’Paulo: I’m voting for Barack Obama this year, because I want a black man to give ME change for once.”

admit it, you laughed.

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391162 abrisaham Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:56:37 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391162 Terrence now Im an old white woman because I do not think Barak Obama should be president? Pudgy Jews from CT? /ignore Terrence now Im an old white woman because I do not think Barak Obama should be president?

Pudgy Jews from CT?

/ignore

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391161 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:37:24 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391161 Jimmy - Nope - because someone with charisma and a great "delivery" understands the concept of style and presentation - pudgy jews from CT know nothing about it, if they do then they realize they need a guy like Obama "out front" to close the deal. A non-charismatic jew who looks and sounds like Ben Stein just couldn't close. Hillary has too much baggage, and I'm still smarting from her husband driving home NAFTA, signing the Telecommunications Act, and rampant sexism - if anyone thinks for an instant that we can separate Bill and Hill they have been under a rock for the last 25 years - it will be a co-presidency, I will not vote for that. We don't have dynasties where the Presidency is concerned - atleast we shouldn't - and the 90's are not coming back. I have tried to like Hillary - I really have - but she offers nothing resembling hope and change - and I simply won't vote for her- ever. She's more conservative than McCain, so I would just end up voting 3rd party or voting for McCain if Barack is out (even if he's the VP nominee). And believe me when I say this - there are a lot of people who think like I do on this subject - Hillary needs Barack, but he doesn't need her - she can't win, he can - support him. No matter what, it couldn't possibly be any worse then it is now, so help clean the sh*T out of DC - vote against McCain and McClinton. Vote for the "O" Jimmy - Nope - because someone with charisma and a great “delivery” understands the concept of style and presentation - pudgy jews from CT know nothing about it, if they do then they realize they need a guy like Obama “out front” to close the deal. A non-charismatic jew who looks and sounds like Ben Stein just couldn’t close. Hillary has too much baggage, and I’m still smarting from her husband driving home NAFTA, signing the Telecommunications Act, and rampant sexism - if anyone thinks for an instant that we can separate Bill and Hill they have been under a rock for the last 25 years - it will be a co-presidency, I will not vote for that. We don’t have dynasties where the Presidency is concerned - atleast we shouldn’t - and the 90’s are not coming back. I have tried to like Hillary - I really have - but she offers nothing resembling hope and change - and I simply won’t vote for her- ever. She’s more conservative than McCain, so I would just end up voting 3rd party or voting for McCain if Barack is out (even if he’s the VP nominee). And believe me when I say this - there are a lot of people who think like I do on this subject - Hillary needs Barack, but he doesn’t need her - she can’t win, he can - support him. No matter what, it couldn’t possibly be any worse then it is now, so help clean the sh*T out of DC - vote against McCain and McClinton. Vote for the “O”

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391160 Jimmy the Dhimmi Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:19:21 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391160 Did you read what I said in my first post, JG & Terrance? I'll remind you: <blockquote>This really isn’t anything new, <strong>nor are the other candidates any different.</strong> The point is, all of this enthusiasm for Obama has nothing to do with any of these supposed “solutions,” Every non-specific, left-of-center talking point “proposed” on these 65 pages could be found on Hillary’s website. It has everything to do with an emotional attatchment to a charismatic, quasi-cult leader.</blockquote> None of his supporters are inspired by these non-specific talking points, they are inpired by the tone of his voice when he spouts out platitudes like, <em>"“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”</em> (what the hell does that even mean?). Christ, he even <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/chris-matthews-i-felt-t_n_86449.html" rel="nofollow">gave Chris Mattews a boner.</a> <blockquote>Obama offers the same level of detail as the other two major candidates in the race.</blockquote> Sure, not only that, but there really isn't anything different, in terms of content, from anything we have heard before from any other left-of-center candidate. What is the change? Where is this change? Change, change change. And hope! Lets hope things change when we elect him. If a 62-year-old white guy with a pudgy waistline who sounded like Joe Lieberman when he spoke, was running for president with the same wepage as Obama, the same issues and experience, the same over-generalized policy initiatives, it would be a landslide for the first female presidential candidate - everyone knows that, even you Terrance. Did you read what I said in my first post, JG & Terrance? I’ll remind you:

This really isn’t anything new, nor are the other candidates any different. The point is, all of this enthusiasm for Obama has nothing to do with any of these supposed “solutions,” Every non-specific, left-of-center talking point “proposed” on these 65 pages could be found on Hillary’s website. It has everything to do with an emotional attatchment to a charismatic, quasi-cult leader.

None of his supporters are inspired by these non-specific talking points, they are inpired by the tone of his voice when he spouts out platitudes like, ““We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.” (what the hell does that even mean?).

Christ, he even gave Chris Mattews a boner.

Obama offers the same level of detail as the other two major candidates in the race.

Sure, not only that, but there really isn’t anything different, in terms of content, from anything we have heard before from any other left-of-center candidate. What is the change? Where is this change? Change, change change. And hope! Lets hope things change when we elect him.

If a 62-year-old white guy with a pudgy waistline who sounded like Joe Lieberman when he spoke, was running for president with the same wepage as Obama, the same issues and experience, the same over-generalized policy initiatives, it would be a landslide for the first female presidential candidate - everyone knows that, even you Terrance.

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391159 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:12:25 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391159 Rich - We? I don't get it. Are you saying that a lack of concrete policy is endemic among all 3 people going for the top - or that only Obama has no depth? If that's your claim I have to take issue - from what I have seen and read none of the 3 top people have any depth by your definition - none of them. It's not a question of one candidate having less depth - it's a question not digging deep enough. What does "crib the work" mean? Plagiarism, or are you saying the policy is based upon consensus within the Congress? Frankly, I have no trouble getting a great deal of information on any topic I need when it comes to Obama. Regarding Clinton and McCain I have so much conflicting information that I could make a claim about any position on any topic either of them do or do not support and I could find evidence that suggests they believe in either side of an issue - what's up with that? Until Obama wins the nomination I don't have an issue with under developed specifics, even though I do not agree with you on that point. The campaign season will provide more than enough time to "weed" out the lack of specifics, flip flops, inconsistencies, etc - with the Dem and Rep candidates. Right now, Obama is fighting against both Clinton and McCain - both of them. You don't find that slightly f'd up - 2 conservative pro-war candidates (from different political parties) attacking the anti-war progressive? Don't go down the red blue path - we have all been there, and none of want that kind of politics ever again. Rich - We? I don’t get it. Are you saying that a lack of concrete policy is endemic among all 3 people going for the top - or that only Obama has no depth? If that’s your claim I have to take issue - from what I have seen and read none of the 3 top people have any depth by your definition - none of them. It’s not a question of one candidate having less depth - it’s a question not digging deep enough. What does “crib the work” mean? Plagiarism, or are you saying the policy is based upon consensus within the Congress? Frankly, I have no trouble getting a great deal of information on any topic I need when it comes to Obama. Regarding Clinton and McCain I have so much conflicting information that I could make a claim about any position on any topic either of them do or do not support and I could find evidence that suggests they believe in either side of an issue - what’s up with that? Until Obama wins the nomination I don’t have an issue with under developed specifics, even though I do not agree with you on that point. The campaign season will provide more than enough time to “weed” out the lack of specifics, flip flops, inconsistencies, etc - with the Dem and Rep candidates. Right now, Obama is fighting against both Clinton and McCain - both of them. You don’t find that slightly f’d up - 2 conservative pro-war candidates (from different political parties) attacking the anti-war progressive? Don’t go down the red blue path - we have all been there, and none of want that kind of politics ever again.

]]> By: Rich Horton http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391154 Rich Horton Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:18:49 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391154 Oh c'mon....the original 65 pages you point to covered 21 different policy area or a whopping average of 3.09 pages for issues like Homeland Security, Foreign Relations, and Poverty. Nice to know those can be dealt with in such a tidy little package. As for the "factsheets" a lot of them crib the work of other members of Congress, like pinching Sen. Harkins' "Restoring the Americans with Disabilities Act" (which is about as insane an idea as I can think of...hasn't the original ADA caused enough problems with expanding the SOB?) Not to mention that the Disabilities section alone has 9 pages of expanded programs and not a single mention as to what they would cost, how they would be funded, who would run the expanded programs (i.e. is it the Federal government or are we giving out grants to states to run?). All of which gives the lie to his supposed support of paygo, and gives the lie that this somehow represents "details". No one is saying that Obama doesn't have staff who can put together 9 page PDF files...to act that that is what we are claiming is intellectually dishonest. Oh c’mon….the original 65 pages you point to covered 21 different policy area or a whopping average of 3.09 pages for issues like Homeland Security, Foreign Relations, and Poverty.

Nice to know those can be dealt with in such a tidy little package.

As for the “factsheets” a lot of them crib the work of other members of Congress, like pinching Sen. Harkins’ “Restoring the Americans with Disabilities Act” (which is about as insane an idea as I can think of…hasn’t the original ADA caused enough problems with expanding the SOB?) Not to mention that the Disabilities section alone has 9 pages of expanded programs and not a single mention as to what they would cost, how they would be funded, who would run the expanded programs (i.e. is it the Federal government or are we giving out grants to states to run?). All of which gives the lie to his supposed support of paygo, and gives the lie that this somehow represents “details”.

No one is saying that Obama doesn’t have staff who can put together 9 page PDF files…to act that that is what we are claiming is intellectually dishonest.

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391152 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:10:38 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391152 You're right - what was I thinking - how unfair of me - I must lack integrity. Many of BO's supporters are African American, white males, females, under 40 voters, college educated, above average in income, urban voters, rural voters, - clearly you don't fit into any of those demographics - I'm thinking you're probably an elderly woman. "Who am I, how did I get here" You’re right - what was I thinking - how unfair of me - I must lack integrity. Many of BO’s supporters are African American, white males, females, under 40 voters, college educated, above average in income, urban voters, rural voters, - clearly you don’t fit into any of those demographics - I’m thinking you’re probably an elderly woman. “Who am I, how did I get here”

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391150 abrisaham Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:41:41 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391150 Terrence you accuse me of having never spent a day in the military. I actually did spend a day or two there. You also seem to be accusing me of being a conservative/gop or whatever when in fact I am a liberal who supports Hillary Clinton. And last but not least the typical Obama defender thinks that anyone who says they dont support him and points out why is a far right war monger. I am opposed to the war and I am a liberal who supports a more moderate Hillary Clinton. The facts are there for everyone to see. Obama is a far, far lefty. His base is far, far left and those who oppose Obama can't possibly be honest people with integrity. Justin says so and so do you. Terrence you accuse me of having never spent a day in the military. I actually did spend a day or two there.

You also seem to be accusing me of being a conservative/gop or whatever when in fact I am a liberal who supports Hillary Clinton.

And last but not least the typical Obama defender thinks that anyone who says they dont support him and points out why is a far right war monger. I am opposed to the war and I am a liberal who supports a more moderate Hillary Clinton.

The facts are there for everyone to see. Obama is a far, far lefty. His base is far, far left and those who oppose Obama can’t possibly be honest people with integrity. Justin says so and so do you.

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391149 abrisaham Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:32:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391149 Obama said he’d go after al Qaeda inside Pakistan without their permission, he didn’t say he’d attack Pakistan. This is exactly what I am talking about. Obama is going to do a George Bush. This is what the antiwar has screamed about. The cowboy "Yehah!" approach. This is precisely an attack upon Pakistan. Attacking without their permission. So your condoning his actions to take the fight into other countries. You guys are the ones scrambling to defend his indefensible positions. Obama is a moron and an Idiot if he wants to continue with George Bush's preemptive first strike policies. I just don't get you guys. You defend the indefensible. You condone his first strike preemptive measures and rail against the same things from Bush. This is how I know Obama is clueless on foreign policy. He makes "Yehah" statements that endorses GWB's policies and then condemns GWB as a go it alone cowboy. There is nothing good that will come of sending troops inside the borders to attack villages to nab Bin Laden on a solo....go it alone process. The entire Pakistani country would rise up and we would be knee deep in do do. Obama said he’d go after al Qaeda inside Pakistan without their permission, he didn’t say he’d attack Pakistan.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Obama is going to do a George Bush. This is what the antiwar has screamed about. The cowboy “Yehah!” approach.

This is precisely an attack upon Pakistan. Attacking without their permission.

So your condoning his actions to take the fight into other countries. You guys are the ones scrambling to defend his indefensible positions. Obama is a moron and an Idiot if he wants to continue with George Bush’s preemptive first strike policies. I just don’t get you guys. You defend the indefensible. You condone his first strike preemptive measures and rail against the same things from Bush.

This is how I know Obama is clueless on foreign policy. He makes “Yehah” statements that endorses GWB’s policies and then condemns GWB as a go it alone cowboy.

There is nothing good that will come of sending troops inside the borders to attack villages to nab Bin Laden on a solo….go it alone process. The entire Pakistani country would rise up and we would be knee deep in do do.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391146 Justin Gardner Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391146 abrisaham, once again you don't know what you're talking about. Obama said he'd go after al Qaeda inside Pakistan without their permission, he didn't say he'd attack Pakistan. How are you always so poorly informed about where Obama stands on this stuff? I mean, seriously, it's either clumsy ignorance or you're willfully distortion his positions. Lord help you in either case. To Jimmy's point about lack of detail, well, then show me how much more detailed anybody else's plans are. Well, I'm sure you won't so as with most things on this subject, I'll do it for you... http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/ http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/ Obama offers the same level of detail as the other two major candidates in the race. In fact, by my count, he offers more policy papers on more positions than either of them. Another thing...<blockquote>I’ll bet that 99% of his supporters haven’t even logged on to his webpage, let alone perused through all these talking points.</blockquote> You mean this website? http://siteanalytics.compete.com/barackobama.com/?metric=uv But I'm sure Hillary's supporters are getting so much more information off of her website, as well as John McCain. Oh, wait... http://siteanalytics.compete.com/barackobama.com+hillaryclinton.com+johnmccain.com/?metric=uv Huh. That's crazy. You'd think such a quasi-cult leader would have followers who simply lay down at his feet instead of visiting his website to see what he stands for. This is odd. You should look into this and find out what's going on Jimmy. Okay folks, since the 65 page document obviously wasn't enough for you, and since you can't do this thing called "looking" to find more details in his fact sheets that are on nearly EVERY PAGE, here we go... CIVIL RIGHTS http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HowardConvocationFactSheet.pdf DISABILITIES http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/DisabilityPlanFactSheet.pdf http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/AutismSpectrumDisorders.pdf ECONOMY http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/AutismSpectrumDisorders.pdf EDUCATION http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PreK-12EducationFactSheet.pdf http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnergyFactSheet.pdf http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnvironmentFactSheet.pdf ETHICS http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/TakingBackOurGovernmentBackFinalFactSheet.pdf FAITH'S ROLE IN AMERICA http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaonFaith.pdf FISCAL POLICY http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf ISRAEL http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/IsraelFactSheet.pdf HEALTH CARE http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf HOMELAND SECURITY http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HomelandSecurityFactSheet.pdf IMMIGRATION http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf IRAQ http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf POVERTY http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PovertyFactSheet.pdf RURAL http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/RuralPlanFactSheet.pdf SERVICE http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf VETERANS http://obama.3cdn.net/975b85c9939790ce2e_kr41mvuq5.pdf There's more, but those are just the PDFs. One last note, if you want comprehensive 500 page bills, then show me any other candidate who has one. Please. Because here's Hillary's healthcare plan... http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/americanhealthchoicesplan.pdf Doesn't look like comprehensive legislation to me. Here's the thing, any politician worth their salt will tell you that there are two ways to go about this. You can either draft legislation in a black box and then come out with it or you can have a broader plan idea and then draft the legislation with a coalition. The former could help you steamroll things through, but it's fraught with peril because nobody really had a say as to what went into the bill. The latter can be tedious, but at least people have a voice at the table, and that helps build momentum and support. Okay, have to get back to work. Have fun. abrisaham, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. Obama said he’d go after al Qaeda inside Pakistan without their permission, he didn’t say he’d attack Pakistan. How are you always so poorly informed about where Obama stands on this stuff? I mean, seriously, it’s either clumsy ignorance or you’re willfully distortion his positions. Lord help you in either case.

To Jimmy’s point about lack of detail, well, then show me how much more detailed anybody else’s plans are. Well, I’m sure you won’t so as with most things on this subject, I’ll do it for you…

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Obama offers the same level of detail as the other two major candidates in the race. In fact, by my count, he offers more policy papers on more positions than either of them.

Another thing…

I’ll bet that 99% of his supporters haven’t even logged on to his webpage, let alone perused through all these talking points.

You mean this website?
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/barackobama.com/?metric=uv

But I’m sure Hillary’s supporters are getting so much more information off of her website, as well as John McCain.

Oh, wait…
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/barackobama.com+hillaryclinton.com+johnmccain.com/?metric=uv

Huh. That’s crazy. You’d think such a quasi-cult leader would have followers who simply lay down at his feet instead of visiting his website to see what he stands for. This is odd. You should look into this and find out what’s going on Jimmy.

Okay folks, since the 65 page document obviously wasn’t enough for you, and since you can’t do this thing called “looking” to find more details in his fact sheets that are on nearly EVERY PAGE, here we go…

CIVIL RIGHTS
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HowardConvocationFactSheet.pdf

DISABILITIES
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/DisabilityPlanFactSheet.pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/AutismSpectrumDisorders.pdf

ECONOMY
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/AutismSpectrumDisorders.pdf

EDUCATION
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PreK-12EducationFactSheet.pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf

ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnergyFactSheet.pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnvironmentFactSheet.pdf

ETHICS
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/TakingBackOurGovernmentBackFinalFactSheet.pdf

FAITH’S ROLE IN AMERICA
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaonFaith.pdf

FISCAL POLICY
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf

ISRAEL
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/IsraelFactSheet.pdf

HEALTH CARE
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

HOMELAND SECURITY
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HomelandSecurityFactSheet.pdf

IMMIGRATION
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/ImmigrationFactSheet.pdf

IRAQ
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf

POVERTY
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PovertyFactSheet.pdf

RURAL
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/RuralPlanFactSheet.pdf

SERVICE
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

VETERANS
http://obama.3cdn.net/975b85c9939790ce2e_kr41mvuq5.pdf

There’s more, but those are just the PDFs.

One last note, if you want comprehensive 500 page bills, then show me any other candidate who has one. Please. Because here’s Hillary’s healthcare plan…
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/americanhealthchoicesplan.pdf

Doesn’t look like comprehensive legislation to me.

Here’s the thing, any politician worth their salt will tell you that there are two ways to go about this. You can either draft legislation in a black box and then come out with it or you can have a broader plan idea and then draft the legislation with a coalition. The former could help you steamroll things through, but it’s fraught with peril because nobody really had a say as to what went into the bill. The latter can be tedious, but at least people have a voice at the table, and that helps build momentum and support.

Okay, have to get back to work. Have fun.

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391145 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:33:55 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391145 Jimmy - A couple of points. Where did you get the "mercury" reference above - it's not on the website that I could find? Also - to use your quote - "No, those points are not elaborated on, there are no specific details of the policy initiatives proposed, no links to a PDF files of drafts of comprehensive bills that he intends to send down to congress, ect…" -- do you even understand how the government works? The President doesn't send bills to congress - they send bills to the President. The Presidents role is to use the "bully pulpit" and popular opinion as a format for change - that's it. You want specifics to what degree? You would be buried in the minutiae of technical jargon and detail that none of us is prepared to discuss in 2 paragraphs. If you want the detail you need to work with the Congressional stafffers who prepare the bills - that's where the devil is. Do you honestly think there is any more substance on the Clinton website - prove it? I looked all over, read lot's and lot's of stuff and didn't see any real measurable differences of policy between HRC or BO. The biggest diffeence are "sytlistic" one offers hope and change and has proved that he is capable of building large diverse coalitions of real people that stand a fair chance of carrying out atleast part of the vision - the other offers 2 decades of missed opportunities, a disgrace for an ex-President husband (who would be in the White House again), and legions of old people who don't want their social security changed. The choice is obvious - get on board you sound reasonably intelligent, don't be played by the old rhetoric - aren't you getting tired of it by now? Jimmy - A couple of points. Where did you get the “mercury” reference above - it’s not on the website that I could find? Also - to use your quote - “No, those points are not elaborated on, there are no specific details of the policy initiatives proposed, no links to a PDF files of drafts of comprehensive bills that he intends to send down to congress, ect…” — do you even understand how the government works? The President doesn’t send bills to congress - they send bills to the President. The Presidents role is to use the “bully pulpit” and popular opinion as a format for change - that’s it. You want specifics to what degree? You would be buried in the minutiae of technical jargon and detail that none of us is prepared to discuss in 2 paragraphs. If you want the detail you need to work with the Congressional stafffers who prepare the bills - that’s where the devil is. Do you honestly think there is any more substance on the Clinton website - prove it? I looked all over, read lot’s and lot’s of stuff and didn’t see any real measurable differences of policy between HRC or BO. The biggest diffeence are “sytlistic” one offers hope and change and has proved that he is capable of building large diverse coalitions of real people that stand a fair chance of carrying out atleast part of the vision - the other offers 2 decades of missed opportunities, a disgrace for an ex-President husband (who would be in the White House again), and legions of old people who don’t want their social security changed. The choice is obvious - get on board you sound reasonably intelligent, don’t be played by the old rhetoric - aren’t you getting tired of it by now?

]]> By: TerenceC http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391136 TerenceC Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:55:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391136 Abrisaham - BO never said he wanted to take on Pakistan - he said he would have no problems ordering US troops into Pakistan if there was actionable intelligence that BinLaden was there - that's it - nothing more - and the spin machines have twisted that simple statement. It's clearly evident you never spent a day in the US armed services (any branch) - please don't argue the point - it's obvious. Most of my fellow veterans are strongly against the Iraq war and always were because we know who bears the burden for BS struggles like that. Killing is easy, making lasting peace is really really hard. The Obama foreign policy is a policy that relies upon actual and measurable enemies in order to attack and sustain a prolonged engagement. Obama is not a dove - go to barackobama.com and do some reading and you'll believe me. The people of the USA have been put upon by this huge, bloated, wasteful defense department for so long that they don't even know a real enemy anymore - they simple believe whatever they are told. And the history is factually accurate they have been lied to ever since the end of the WW2 about these alleged enemies. A foreign policy that blindly backs Israel is a mistake just as much as one that blindly backs Europe, or any other country. Our foreign policy is a joke and has been for some time. Believe what you will but conservative dogma doesn't agree with the policies we have seen in the past 10, 15, even 20 years. Conservative (Rep or Dem) lack the scope or imagination to deal with reality - because that would mean they have to start telling the truth - and if they started doing that the people would get rid of them. Abrisaham - BO never said he wanted to take on Pakistan - he said he would have no problems ordering US troops into Pakistan if there was actionable intelligence that BinLaden was there - that’s it - nothing more - and the spin machines have twisted that simple statement. It’s clearly evident you never spent a day in the US armed services (any branch) - please don’t argue the point - it’s obvious. Most of my fellow veterans are strongly against the Iraq war and always were because we know who bears the burden for BS struggles like that. Killing is easy, making lasting peace is really really hard. The Obama foreign policy is a policy that relies upon actual and measurable enemies in order to attack and sustain a prolonged engagement. Obama is not a dove - go to barackobama.com and do some reading and you’ll believe me. The people of the USA have been put upon by this huge, bloated, wasteful defense department for so long that they don’t even know a real enemy anymore - they simple believe whatever they are told. And the history is factually accurate they have been lied to ever since the end of the WW2 about these alleged enemies. A foreign policy that blindly backs Israel is a mistake just as much as one that blindly backs Europe, or any other country. Our foreign policy is a joke and has been for some time. Believe what you will but conservative dogma doesn’t agree with the policies we have seen in the past 10, 15, even 20 years. Conservative (Rep or Dem) lack the scope or imagination to deal with reality - because that would mean they have to start telling the truth - and if they started doing that the people would get rid of them.

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391135 abrisaham Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:09:18 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391135 My complaint with Barak Obama has always been foreign policy. His dovish stances combined with detail pull out strategies and get this. He wants to take on Pakistan after we get out of Iraq. Is he flipping nuts? His foreign policy scares the Beejesus out of me. His domestic program will have to get thru 2 branches and tons of negotiating. I think we can handle that but his foreign policy is his baby and its not up for negotiating..........only criticizing. Lord help us all. My complaint with Barak Obama has always been foreign policy. His dovish stances combined with detail pull out strategies and get this.

He wants to take on Pakistan after we get out of Iraq. Is he flipping nuts?

His foreign policy scares the Beejesus out of me. His domestic program will have to get thru 2 branches and tons of negotiating. I think we can handle that but his foreign policy is his baby and its not up for negotiating……….only criticizing.

Lord help us all.

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391133 Jimmy the Dhimmi Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:44:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391133 Yeah, there are quite a few bullet-points on that page, but most of them sound like this: <blockquote>Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.</blockquote> Is that a specific policy "solution?" Obama will draft a bill that says: "I hereby declare that government programs are now efficient. <em>signed, President Barrack Hussein Obama</em>. Here is another good one: <blockquote>Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.</blockquote> Thats it. Thats all you get on the mercury issue. He has a plan, thats all we know. What is that plan exactly? He doesn't say. Other "specifics" include: -cutting wasteful spending -Making healthcare more affordable -simplifying the tax code. No, those points are not elaborated on, there are no specific details of the policy initiatives proposed, no links to a PDF files of drafts of comprehensive bills that he intends to send down to congress, ect... Occasionally you find some specifics, such as rolling back Bush tax cuts for the wealtiest Americans...well, thats actually all he says. He doesn't even define who he is talking about when he mentions "wealthiest Americans," but I'll let that slide. Oh, and there will be weekly "fireside chats" on public Radio. This really isn't anything new, nor are the other candidates any different. The point is, all of this enthusiasm for Obama has nothing to do with any of these supposed "solutions," Every non-specific, left-of-center talking point "proposed" on these 65 pages could be found on Hillary's website. It has everything to do with an emotional attatchment to a charismatic, quasi-cult leader. I'll bet that 99% of his supporters haven't even logged on to his webpage, let alone perused through all these talking points. Yeah, there are quite a few bullet-points on that page, but most of them sound like this:

Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government’s high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.

Is that a specific policy “solution?” Obama will draft a bill that says: “I hereby declare that government programs are now efficient. signed, President Barrack Hussein Obama.

Here is another good one:

Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Thats it. Thats all you get on the mercury issue. He has a plan, thats all we know. What is that plan exactly? He doesn’t say.

Other “specifics” include:
-cutting wasteful spending
-Making healthcare more affordable
-simplifying the tax code.

No, those points are not elaborated on, there are no specific details of the policy initiatives proposed, no links to a PDF files of drafts of comprehensive bills that he intends to send down to congress, ect…

Occasionally you find some specifics, such as rolling back Bush tax cuts for the wealtiest Americans…well, thats actually all he says. He doesn’t even define who he is talking about when he mentions “wealthiest Americans,” but I’ll let that slide. Oh, and there will be weekly “fireside chats” on public Radio.

This really isn’t anything new, nor are the other candidates any different. The point is, all of this enthusiasm for Obama has nothing to do with any of these supposed “solutions,” Every non-specific, left-of-center talking point “proposed” on these 65 pages could be found on Hillary’s website. It has everything to do with an emotional attatchment to a charismatic, quasi-cult leader.

I’ll bet that 99% of his supporters haven’t even logged on to his webpage, let alone perused through all these talking points.

]]> By: abrisaham http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391125 abrisaham Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/02/15/obamas-solutions/#comment-391125 Barak Obama has detailed plans on how to get the country to sign on to his SUBSTANCE. Great. One major problem with that. He has laid out in black and white his detailed plans. Now when he goes to the congress and they say not only NO but HE double L NO. He has two choices. Back down and look weak and anger those who voted for him or he can fight and pull a Jimmy Carter on us. Paralyze the country because of his desire to not look weak. He is falling prey to the same things they hit Jimmy Carter up with. No experience vs Gerald Ford vs no substance vs Gerald Ford. So Jimmy Outlined his plans in detail. So much detail he refused to negotiate because he knew that negotiating away his detailed plans would make him look weak. Well hes done it with his foreign policy as well. Laid it out in black and white for all the world to see. The Terrorists are so confident that Obama will win this election they are now calling for the expansion of their war into neighboring countries including the attacking of Israel using Iraq as a base. Why? Because Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton have both laid out for their antiwar base their plans to leave Iraq. The difference to me seems to be Obama wants to run screaming from Iraq with Harry Reid piggybacking and screaming "The war is Lost. We surrender." While Hillary seems to want to leave with honor and to leave the country in some semblance of peace and order. I lived through Jimmy Carter. Id say well over 75 percent of Barak Obama's supporters have not or werent old enough to even remember what it was like back then. If they had they would be voting for Hillary too. Thats called Experience. Not Judgment. Barak Obama has detailed plans on how to get the country to sign on to his SUBSTANCE. Great. One major problem with that. He has laid out in black and white his detailed plans. Now when he goes to the congress and they say not only NO but HE double L NO. He has two choices. Back down and look weak and anger those who voted for him or he can fight and pull a Jimmy Carter on us. Paralyze the country because of his desire to not look weak.

He is falling prey to the same things they hit Jimmy Carter up with. No experience vs Gerald Ford vs no substance vs Gerald Ford. So Jimmy Outlined his plans in detail. So much detail he refused to negotiate because he knew that negotiating away his detailed plans would make him look weak.

Well hes done it with his foreign policy as well. Laid it out in black and white for all the world to see. The Terrorists are so confident that Obama will win this election they are now calling for the expansion of their war into neighboring countries including the attacking of Israel using Iraq as a base.

Why? Because Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton have both laid out for their antiwar base their plans to leave Iraq. The difference to me seems to be Obama wants to run screaming from Iraq with Harry Reid piggybacking and screaming “The war is Lost. We surrender.” While Hillary seems to want to leave with honor and to leave the country in some semblance of peace and order.

I lived through Jimmy Carter. Id say well over 75 percent of Barak Obama’s supporters have not or werent old enough to even remember what it was like back then. If they had they would be voting for Hillary too. Thats called Experience. Not Judgment.

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