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	<title>Comments on: Eliot Spitzer Caught in Prostitution Sting</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TerenceC</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-394019</link>
		<dc:creator>TerenceC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful - your being recorded (paid for by your tax dollars). Just for research purposes mind you - do you have any other leads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful - your being recorded (paid for by your tax dollars). Just for research purposes mind you - do you have any other leads?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald G</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-394013</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Terence has a point, because being so illegal as it is, there`s thousands of escorts sites servicing the US in the Internet, and when a site is closed, new ones are opened. Perhaps men who like call girls could do it outside of the US, like going to an escorts resort in the islands. I see many places that offer the same women as all-inclusive vacations and away from our kids and families, saving us the troubles associated. Googling my way into the escorts world I found a site similar to the Emperor: www.charlisangels.com offering luxury women at a $4k per weekend ticket, even private jet services. If there was not such a huge market, there wouldn`t be so many places devoted to the business. Let`s face it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Terence has a point, because being so illegal as it is, there`s thousands of escorts sites servicing the US in the Internet, and when a site is closed, new ones are opened. Perhaps men who like call girls could do it outside of the US, like going to an escorts resort in the islands. I see many places that offer the same women as all-inclusive vacations and away from our kids and families, saving us the troubles associated. Googling my way into the escorts world I found a site similar to the Emperor: <a href="http://www.charlisangels.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.charlisangels.com</a> offering luxury women at a $4k per weekend ticket, even private jet services. If there was not such a huge market, there wouldn`t be so many places devoted to the business. Let`s face it.</p>
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		<title>By: TerenceC</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393495</link>
		<dc:creator>TerenceC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prostitution should be legalized..........it's childish to legislate against that type of behavior. However, Elliott is at the top of the food chain in NY as far as law making goes and he has a responsibility to follow the law while he is in that position - period. He needs to resign. I wonder if this will have any affect on Clintons campaign? Some one should ask Bill what he thinks Elliott should do - or ask Hill an empathetic question with Silda. Maybe Silda could run for U.S. Senate now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prostitution should be legalized&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.it&#8217;s childish to legislate against that type of behavior. However, Elliott is at the top of the food chain in NY as far as law making goes and he has a responsibility to follow the law while he is in that position - period. He needs to resign. I wonder if this will have any affect on Clintons campaign? Some one should ask Bill what he thinks Elliott should do - or ask Hill an empathetic question with Silda. Maybe Silda could run for U.S. Senate now?</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393471</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange."

The exchange was consentual.


"Secondly, you’re arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid."

They already ignore laws. In most cities jaywalking is illegal, but almost never gets prosecuted.


"If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play?"

When the tyranny of the majority clashes with individual freedom, individual freedom should win. We're talking about eavesdropping on citizens and prohibiting a consentual transaction between two willful parties that did not impinge on others (other than his wife, in a civil manner).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange.&#8221;</p>
<p>The exchange was consentual.</p>
<p>&#8220;Secondly, you’re arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>They already ignore laws. In most cities jaywalking is illegal, but almost never gets prosecuted.</p>
<p>&#8220;If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play?&#8221;</p>
<p>When the tyranny of the majority clashes with individual freedom, individual freedom should win. We&#8217;re talking about eavesdropping on citizens and prohibiting a consentual transaction between two willful parties that did not impinge on others (other than his wife, in a civil manner).</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393470</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange."

The exchange was consentual. He got what he wanted and she got what she wanted. This is not a matter of national security. It is a matter of wasting government resources.


"Secondly, you’re arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid."

They already do this. Note the number of illegal acts, such as jaywalking, that rarely if ever get prosecuted. The range of "unlawful" acts that get ignored should be widened to the point where we don't feel like big brother is watching over us and punishing us for not following his collective will.


"If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play?"

You say "will of the people", I say "tyranny of the majority." I'm concerned with individual freedom. Without that, our government stands for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange.&#8221;</p>
<p>The exchange was consentual. He got what he wanted and she got what she wanted. This is not a matter of national security. It is a matter of wasting government resources.</p>
<p>&#8220;Secondly, you’re arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>They already do this. Note the number of illegal acts, such as jaywalking, that rarely if ever get prosecuted. The range of &#8220;unlawful&#8221; acts that get ignored should be widened to the point where we don&#8217;t feel like big brother is watching over us and punishing us for not following his collective will.</p>
<p>&#8220;If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play?&#8221;</p>
<p>You say &#8220;will of the people&#8221;, I say &#8220;tyranny of the majority.&#8221; I&#8217;m concerned with individual freedom. Without that, our government stands for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange. Prostitution is inherrently exploitative in the worst kind of way. You might not think so, but those who do think it's repugnant are not the same as those who want to regulate consentual sex. It's an entirely different matter.

Secondly, you're arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid. If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play? Prostitution can be legalized by any state -- if the people of New York wanted it to be legal, they should vote in politicians who will legalize it. Otherwise, as long as it's a crime, law enforcement has the responsibility to enforce it. And it sure as hell as the responsibility to hold the governor to the same standard as any other joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson, first of all, you are confusing sex between consenting adults with sex as commercial exchange. Prostitution is inherrently exploitative in the worst kind of way. You might not think so, but those who do think it&#8217;s repugnant are not the same as those who want to regulate consentual sex. It&#8217;s an entirely different matter.</p>
<p>Secondly, you&#8217;re arguing that law enforcement should only uphold the laws it thinks are valid. If law enforcement should take on that kind of decision making, where does the will of the people come into play? Prostitution can be legalized by any state &#8212; if the people of New York wanted it to be legal, they should vote in politicians who will legalize it. Otherwise, as long as it&#8217;s a crime, law enforcement has the responsibility to enforce it. And it sure as hell as the responsibility to hold the governor to the same standard as any other joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393464</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Are you arguing that the government shouldn’t uphold the law?"

Yes. If our government were supposed to uphold bad laws we'd still be loyal British subjects. We don't want our hard earned tax money used against us to invade our privacy and take away our freedoms.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Our government shouldn't waste resources on stuff like this. Only his wife holds any claim on damages done by Spitzer and that can be taken care of in Civil court, if she so chooses, without wasting federal criminal investigative tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you arguing that the government shouldn’t uphold the law?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. If our government were supposed to uphold bad laws we&#8217;d still be loyal British subjects. We don&#8217;t want our hard earned tax money used against us to invade our privacy and take away our freedoms.</p>
<p>&#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our government shouldn&#8217;t waste resources on stuff like this. Only his wife holds any claim on damages done by Spitzer and that can be taken care of in Civil court, if she so chooses, without wasting federal criminal investigative tax dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393449</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson,

Are you arguing that the government shouldn't uphold the law? It actually started as a New York state thing and didn't become federal until Spitzer hired a prostitute to cross state lines. I mean, we can argue that prostitution should be legal but I don't see the value in arguing that the government shouldn't enforce the law. Even Spitzer himself busted up some prostitution rings when he was AG. Bet he used wiretaps too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson,</p>
<p>Are you arguing that the government shouldn&#8217;t uphold the law? It actually started as a New York state thing and didn&#8217;t become federal until Spitzer hired a prostitute to cross state lines. I mean, we can argue that prostitution should be legal but I don&#8217;t see the value in arguing that the government shouldn&#8217;t enforce the law. Even Spitzer himself busted up some prostitution rings when he was AG. Bet he used wiretaps too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393447</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm appalled. Not for what he did, but because our Federal government is going around wiretapping people and invading privacy on such unimportant "crimes" that shouldn't even be crimes in the first place. At the most it was a civil offense against his wife and not an issue the Federal government should concern itself (and our tax dollars) with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m appalled. Not for what he did, but because our Federal government is going around wiretapping people and invading privacy on such unimportant &#8220;crimes&#8221; that shouldn&#8217;t even be crimes in the first place. At the most it was a civil offense against his wife and not an issue the Federal government should concern itself (and our tax dollars) with.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-caught-in-prostitution-sting/#comment-393443</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha... no democrat is going to resign over chasing some illicit tail.

No the real issue is money laundering, and he probably will be forced to resign over that.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.money/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; no democrat is going to resign over chasing some illicit tail.</p>
<p>No the real issue is money laundering, and he probably will be forced to resign over that.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.money/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.money/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR's got it right. I meant from a political standpoint. How it affects his personal relationship is his business. But breaking the law is a good deal worse than just sleeping with an intern when it comes to political fallout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR&#8217;s got it right. I meant from a political standpoint. How it affects his personal relationship is his business. But breaking the law is a good deal worse than just sleeping with an intern when it comes to political fallout.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al:
I agree with you at the emotional level.  But prostitution is a crime, while having a mistress is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al:<br />
I agree with you at the emotional level.  But prostitution is a crime, while having a mistress is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Anders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Prostitution is a good deal worse than having an affair..."; How so?  Actually, from the standpoint of the marriage, seems it would be a great deal less than having an affair.  It's just sex and free enterprise; to which do you object?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prostitution is a good deal worse than having an affair&#8230;&#8221;; How so?  Actually, from the standpoint of the marriage, seems it would be a great deal less than having an affair.  It&#8217;s just sex and free enterprise; to which do you object?</p>
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		<title>By: TheMiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, "...other than his wife and him..." is a cop-out Terence. Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you, I don't see the problem in it. The women would be safer thats for sure and it'd put a serious blow to organized crime, but we are a people and nation of SOME level of morality. I don't want the government dictating my morality to me any more than anyone else, but I do see the need to draw the line somewhere, and at least in this day in age, there is general agreement that marriage is for monogamy - if you want to nail a bunch of fine young ass, more power to you (there is a reason we all worship Hugh Heffner to some extent...). But he did have children and a wife - and to do that to people you love is rather terrible. I do expect more of my politicians. I don't really care that Slick Willy got head in The Office or that this guy was using call girls, but it isn't acceptable when your in office. We don't tolerate our athletes abusing dogs, our actors not wearing underwear, and we shouldn't tolerate our politicians cheating on their spouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, &#8220;&#8230;other than his wife and him&#8230;&#8221; is a cop-out Terence. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I actually agree with you, I don&#8217;t see the problem in it. The women would be safer thats for sure and it&#8217;d put a serious blow to organized crime, but we are a people and nation of SOME level of morality. I don&#8217;t want the government dictating my morality to me any more than anyone else, but I do see the need to draw the line somewhere, and at least in this day in age, there is general agreement that marriage is for monogamy - if you want to nail a bunch of fine young ass, more power to you (there is a reason we all worship Hugh Heffner to some extent&#8230;). But he did have children and a wife - and to do that to people you love is rather terrible. I do expect more of my politicians. I don&#8217;t really care that Slick Willy got head in The Office or that this guy was using call girls, but it isn&#8217;t acceptable when your in office. We don&#8217;t tolerate our athletes abusing dogs, our actors not wearing underwear, and we shouldn&#8217;t tolerate our politicians cheating on their spouses.</p>
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		<title>By: TerenceC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerenceC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One might argue that at $1,000 - $5,000 per transaction he was paying for discretion - certainly no piece of @$$ is worth that much for an hour, he should have known the phones were tapped - afterall his political enemies went through an enormous amount of trouble to insure that all our phones are tapped. This is one more reason why prostitution shouldn't be illegal.....I mean, other than his wife and him whose business is it - who did he hurt while fulfilling his public trust - by all accounts he did a good job as governor? As long as he was using his own money, and wasn't trading political favors for sex then where is the harm. Let ye who is sinless........He'll probably resign.....one more man brought low by the Bimbo fatale'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might argue that at $1,000 - $5,000 per transaction he was paying for discretion - certainly no piece of @$$ is worth that much for an hour, he should have known the phones were tapped - afterall his political enemies went through an enormous amount of trouble to insure that all our phones are tapped. This is one more reason why prostitution shouldn&#8217;t be illegal&#8230;..I mean, other than his wife and him whose business is it - who did he hurt while fulfilling his public trust - by all accounts he did a good job as governor? As long as he was using his own money, and wasn&#8217;t trading political favors for sex then where is the harm. Let ye who is sinless&#8230;&#8230;..He&#8217;ll probably resign&#8230;..one more man brought low by the Bimbo fatale&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Aman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Aman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident of New York, frankly I'm appalled.  People in public office have to know that they're being watched, and that they need to be setting an example.  Doubly so if you've made it your job to "stamp out corruption".

Your point about political favors was a good one.  I hadn't actually thought about it, but it's obvious in retrospect.  And while the apology may not have been a legal admission of guilt, it was close.  I'll be looking to see a resignation in the very near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident of New York, frankly I&#8217;m appalled.  People in public office have to know that they&#8217;re being watched, and that they need to be setting an example.  Doubly so if you&#8217;ve made it your job to &#8220;stamp out corruption&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your point about political favors was a good one.  I hadn&#8217;t actually thought about it, but it&#8217;s obvious in retrospect.  And while the apology may not have been a legal admission of guilt, it was close.  I&#8217;ll be looking to see a resignation in the very near future.</p>
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