Comments on: Pastors and Politicians http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:35:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: BenG http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393924 BenG Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:12:40 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393924 ASC, Thank-you, I was in a hurry and didn't check my facts and appreciate your correction. The point I was trying to make is that religious ideology does matter if the people we entrust with our government are corrupted by their beliefs. Some people, yourself included, can see the forest thru the trees. Spiritual beliefs may frame the way one perceives certain events, but it shouldn't overshine them and blind us from the truth. Your point is well taken, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Elisa... the expression walk a mile in his shoes comes to mind here. I used to think Malcolm X was way to radical and violent to be tolerated until i read about him in college. After I understood the history. even though i didn't agree with the message, I could tolerate the man better. ASC,

Thank-you, I was in a hurry and didn’t check my facts and appreciate your correction. The point I was trying to make is that religious ideology does matter if the people we entrust with our government are corrupted by their beliefs. Some people, yourself included, can see the forest thru the trees. Spiritual beliefs may frame the way one perceives certain events, but it shouldn’t overshine them and blind us from the truth. Your point is well taken, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Elisa… the expression walk a mile in his shoes comes to mind here. I used to think Malcolm X was way to radical and violent to be tolerated until i read about him in college. After I understood the history. even though i didn’t agree with the message, I could tolerate the man better.

]]> By: Alan Stewart Carl http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393905 Alan Stewart Carl Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:07:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393905 I think it's fair to ask Obama pointed questions about Wright and force him to either endorse or repudiate the pastor's comments. But belonging to a church isn't like membership in the NRA or ACLU ... it's spiritual and that should and does exist outside the political. I think any conservative who has spent years calling the left anti-religious for attacking Christian conservatives should be very wary of confusing Obama's former pastor with a political advisor. I think it’s fair to ask Obama pointed questions about Wright and force him to either endorse or repudiate the pastor’s comments. But belonging to a church isn’t like membership in the NRA or ACLU … it’s spiritual and that should and does exist outside the political. I think any conservative who has spent years calling the left anti-religious for attacking Christian conservatives should be very wary of confusing Obama’s former pastor with a political advisor.

]]> By: Elisabetta http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393878 Elisabetta Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:10 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393878 I'd like to point out, again, that were the candidate white instead of black, EVERYBODY would be outraged over him partnering with a racist. Not to mention, having a ‘friendship’ with a known, unrepentant terrorist, as well. Epithets would fly and his run for the presidency would be kaput. Instead it's Obama. Ergo, excuses file in that he is not to be blamed for others’ comments and beliefs. True, that people should not be held responsible for every foolish thing their friends and family members say and do. Except, by exalting people with questionable or contentious stances, and by boasting of their influence on our lives, we open the door for a deeper examination of how those relationships closely and deeply affect our attitudes, convictions and views of the world. I’d like to point out, again, that were the candidate white instead of black, EVERYBODY would be outraged over him partnering with a racist. Not to mention, having a ‘friendship’ with a known, unrepentant terrorist, as well. Epithets would fly and his run for the presidency would be kaput.

Instead it’s Obama. Ergo, excuses file in that he is not to be blamed for others’ comments and beliefs.

True, that people should not be held responsible for every foolish thing their friends and family members say and do.
Except, by exalting people with questionable or contentious stances, and by boasting of their influence on our lives, we open the door for a deeper examination of how those relationships closely and deeply affect our attitudes, convictions and views of the world.

]]> By: Alan Stewart Carl http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393866 Alan Stewart Carl Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:16:44 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393866 Hagee was not the talkshow host who repeated Obama's middle name. He's the Texas pastor who is a Christian-zionist and who has said some things that sound anti-catholic (he's also no friend to homosexuality). But, as to your point, I'm not sure standing on the same stage as a candidate is any worse than being a canadidate's pastor and spiritual guide. One is an oportunistic endorsement the other is a very long, very close affiliation. If we're going to condemn one, we probably should condemn the other. I'm fine with condemning neither but, then again, I'm not focused on trying to use every single weakness as an avenue for attack. Hagee was not the talkshow host who repeated Obama’s middle name. He’s the Texas pastor who is a Christian-zionist and who has said some things that sound anti-catholic (he’s also no friend to homosexuality).

But, as to your point, I’m not sure standing on the same stage as a candidate is any worse than being a canadidate’s pastor and spiritual guide. One is an oportunistic endorsement the other is a very long, very close affiliation. If we’re going to condemn one, we probably should condemn the other. I’m fine with condemning neither but, then again, I’m not focused on trying to use every single weakness as an avenue for attack.

]]> By: BenG http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393862 BenG Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:24:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2008/03/13/pastors-and-politicians/#comment-393862 ASC, The difference is obvious. Obama didn't bring in his controversial pastor to open one of his rallies like McCain did and thus make his message part of the campaign. Isn't Hagee the one who kept repeating Barrack HUSSEIN Obama over and over? McCain shared the stage with his guy at one of his campaign rallies and that's a big difference, but this kind of backhanded b.s. is standard for the Republican party, as McCain knows from first hand experience, which is why I could never understand how he could back Bush after what they did to defeat McCain in 2000. To me it just further shows how the Repubs will do anything to 'defeat the greater evil' and we see the results of this destructive politics after so many failures over the past 8 years. This is why the change is gonna be so profound- I mean the guys name is Obama, which rhymes wth Osama- did u notice that? ASC,

The difference is obvious. Obama didn’t bring in his controversial pastor to open one of his rallies like McCain did and thus make his message part of the campaign. Isn’t Hagee the one who kept repeating Barrack HUSSEIN Obama over and over? McCain shared the stage with his guy at one of his campaign rallies and that’s a big difference, but this kind of backhanded b.s. is standard for the Republican party, as McCain knows from first hand experience, which is why I could never understand how he could back Bush after what they did to defeat McCain in 2000.

To me it just further shows how the Repubs will do anything to ‘defeat the greater evil’ and we see the results of this destructive politics after so many failures over the past 8 years. This is why the change is gonna be so profound- I mean the guys name is Obama, which rhymes wth Osama- did u notice that?

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