Comments on: Clinton Wins Big In Puerto Rico http://donklephant.com/2008/06/01/clinton-wins-big-in-puerto-rico/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:53:41 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: wj http://donklephant.com/2008/06/01/clinton-wins-big-in-puerto-rico/comment-page-1/#comment-408767 wj Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:56:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=5853#comment-408767 What fascinates me is the willingness of the Clinton campaign to discount anything resembling popular votes from caucus states, while happily counting popular votes from Puerto Rico...which will have no vote in the general election. I can understand why they would want to, of course. But one has to wonder: what kind of logic/rationalization they are using for it. What fascinates me is the willingness of the Clinton campaign to discount anything resembling popular votes from caucus states, while happily counting popular votes from Puerto Rico…which will have no vote in the general election. I can understand why they would want to, of course. But one has to wonder: what kind of logic/rationalization they are using for it.

]]> By: Tully http://donklephant.com/2008/06/01/clinton-wins-big-in-puerto-rico/comment-page-1/#comment-408759 Tully Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:47:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=5853#comment-408759 *But is she really winning the popular vote? Because let’s remember that Clinton isn’t counting four caucus states that don’t report popular vote. With those, Obama is ahead by about 44,000 votes.?* Problem for Obama being that those four caucus results weren't votes, and the numbers are only estimates of the number participating apportioned by delegate wins. And WA actually DID have a primary, even if it didn't really count for delegate selection. But the problem for Clinton is that the popular vote just doesn't count. The popular-vote argument here is just a talking point speaking to electability, and a 0.2% difference isn't much of a lever there. She's using the rhetoric of popular/populist democracy to boost her standing and bolster her case, in a Democratic nomination process that is only vaguely democratic at best. Legitimate tactic--but highly unlikely to work for her in getting the nomination, barring a *major* Obama implosion between now and the convention. *But is she really winning the popular vote? Because let’s remember that Clinton isn’t counting four caucus states that don’t report popular vote. With those, Obama is ahead by about 44,000 votes.?*

Problem for Obama being that those four caucus results weren’t votes, and the numbers are only estimates of the number participating apportioned by delegate wins. And WA actually DID have a primary, even if it didn’t really count for delegate selection. But the problem for Clinton is that the popular vote just doesn’t count. The popular-vote argument here is just a talking point speaking to electability, and a 0.2% difference isn’t much of a lever there.

She’s using the rhetoric of popular/populist democracy to boost her standing and bolster her case, in a Democratic nomination process that is only vaguely democratic at best. Legitimate tactic–but highly unlikely to work for her in getting the nomination, barring a *major* Obama implosion between now and the convention.

]]> By: Rob in Denver http://donklephant.com/2008/06/01/clinton-wins-big-in-puerto-rico/comment-page-1/#comment-408735 Rob in Denver Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:39:09 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=5853#comment-408735 During CNN's coverage of the RBC on Saturday, someone in the studio mentioned that a bunch of supers are waiting for the end of the primaries and mentioned we could see a gob of them June 4 and June 5. I'm betting that Obama will have the nomination by the end of this weekend. During CNN’s coverage of the RBC on Saturday, someone in the studio mentioned that a bunch of supers are waiting for the end of the primaries and mentioned we could see a gob of them June 4 and June 5.

I’m betting that Obama will have the nomination by the end of this weekend.

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