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		<title>By: mdgeorge</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/11/is-it-important-when-american-troops-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-409599</link>
		<dc:creator>mdgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, I meant to say &quot;more&quot; not &quot;fewer&quot;.  But still, what counts as a &quot;terrorist act&quot;.  One of the annoying things about the &quot;war on terror&quot; is that &quot;terror&quot; is very ill-defined.  e.g. do suicide bombings and IED&#039;s in iraq count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, I meant to say &#8220;more&#8221; not &#8220;fewer&#8221;.  But still, what counts as a &#8220;terrorist act&#8221;.  One of the annoying things about the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is that &#8220;terror&#8221; is very ill-defined.  e.g. do suicide bombings and IED&#8217;s in iraq count?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/11/is-it-important-when-american-troops-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-409596</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy, our war spending has effected the value of the dollar. Obviously other factors are involved, but you don&#039;t go borrowing the better part of a trillion dollars from foreign interests and not have it effect your currency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy, our war spending has effected the value of the dollar. Obviously other factors are involved, but you don&#8217;t go borrowing the better part of a trillion dollars from foreign interests and not have it effect your currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/11/is-it-important-when-american-troops-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-409582</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a percentage of GDP, only the first gulf war was a less expensive American war, going all the way back to the revolution.  The reason why the dollar is dropping is not necessarily government spending, because the amount of spending has increased at nearly the same rate as our total wealth as a nation increases.  Our currency value is dropping relative to other countries basically because developing countries are developing at an unprecedented rate, and their currencies can buy more stuff.  Also, the EU is still consolidating, and the Euro absorbs more value as it replaces the outdated currencies of new EU nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a percentage of GDP, only the first gulf war was a less expensive American war, going all the way back to the revolution.  The reason why the dollar is dropping is not necessarily government spending, because the amount of spending has increased at nearly the same rate as our total wealth as a nation increases.  Our currency value is dropping relative to other countries basically because developing countries are developing at an unprecedented rate, and their currencies can buy more stuff.  Also, the EU is still consolidating, and the Euro absorbs more value as it replaces the outdated currencies of new EU nations.</p>
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		<title>By: wj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your third point, it might be more sustainable if we were investing treasure (rather than IOUs), as well as blood, in the effort.  As it stands, it&#039;s a wonder that we managed to keep it going as long as we did before the currency started going south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your third point, it might be more sustainable if we were investing treasure (rather than IOUs), as well as blood, in the effort.  As it stands, it&#8217;s a wonder that we managed to keep it going as long as we did before the currency started going south.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/11/is-it-important-when-american-troops-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-409568</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m curious what stats youâ€™re thinking of when you say â€œfewer terrorists and terrorist actsâ€. I certainly believe that, but itâ€™s a stat that begs to be defined.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t say that. I said there have been more post 9/11. Search the internet. It&#039;s widely known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m curious what stats youâ€™re thinking of when you say â€œfewer terrorists and terrorist actsâ€. I certainly believe that, but itâ€™s a stat that begs to be defined.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that. I said there have been more post 9/11. Search the internet. It&#8217;s widely known.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in all fairness, other occupations and rebuilding efforts were handled by far more massive dedications of troops than is the case in Iraq. There simply arent enough soldiers to go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in all fairness, other occupations and rebuilding efforts were handled by far more massive dedications of troops than is the case in Iraq. There simply arent enough soldiers to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/11/is-it-important-when-american-troops-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-409563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And I know that McCain is talking about getting to a similar reality in Iraq, but there are no guarantees of that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Does that mean it is guaranteed that Iraq &lt;em&gt;will not&lt;/em&gt; become a similar situation where all U.S. troops are in a support role and do not perform security operations?  Why not take a chance!
&lt;blockquote&gt;First, there are the fiscal costs of maintaining such large troop levels in Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I would argue that the Middle-east is a strategically important region right now, more so than those other theaters that McCain mentions, like Japan or Germany, not-to-mention the dozens of air-force bases around the world.  Perhaps you should downsize those first?  Remember, If it wasn&#039;t for the regime change in Iraq, then we would still have the massive Tawfik air base in Saudi Arabia still in operation, where thousands of troops were stationed and daily sorties were flown to enforce the no-fly zone.  How do you know that old Saudi base was not as expensive?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Second, there has been no discernible safety gains from our presence in Iraq as the number of terrorists and terrorist acts has actually increased since 9/11.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Really?  Even the New York times reports that Al-qaeda is crippled in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we have shown gains in other regions around the world against Islamic terrorism, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09terror.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;South Asia&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, if you count the attacks on Iraqi civilians as part of the Iraq war itself, then terrorism has actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJciaxCBODpiOZKXuLS73Q0gpaBA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decreased elsewhere throughout the world by 40% since 2001&lt;/a&gt;.  Blame Bush?
&lt;blockquote&gt;Third, because our resources have been diverted to Iraq, our government has been limited in their capacity to invest in alternative energy sources&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, come on.  The reason why we rely on foreign oil is because congress always blocks access to our own.  Besides, its the Saudi air-base, pick-your-poison argument again.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Long story short, the quicker we can get our troops home, the quicker we can start to refocus our efforts on what really matters: American prosperity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The primary purpose of the government is to protect its citizens from those who would do us harm, so that we can build prosperity on our own.  You know how I have always argued that when countries like Iraq use &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; resources to fight the terrorists in their midst rather than support them or look away, then we are safer in the long run to pursue prosperity unfettered. We don&#039;t have to waste our resources policing the world &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; terrorist attacks, or sealing off our homeland as the first line of defense, or survelling our citizens as our last line of defense, not to mention avoiding terrorist attacks themselves which are the worst kind of blow to our American way of life, economic or otherwise.  It is an investment in security that pays off when we inevitably prosper in the absence of terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I know that McCain is talking about getting to a similar reality in Iraq, but there are no guarantees of that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does that mean it is guaranteed that Iraq <em>will not</em> become a similar situation where all U.S. troops are in a support role and do not perform security operations?  Why not take a chance!</p>
<blockquote><p>First, there are the fiscal costs of maintaining such large troop levels in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would argue that the Middle-east is a strategically important region right now, more so than those other theaters that McCain mentions, like Japan or Germany, not-to-mention the dozens of air-force bases around the world.  Perhaps you should downsize those first?  Remember, If it wasn&#8217;t for the regime change in Iraq, then we would still have the massive Tawfik air base in Saudi Arabia still in operation, where thousands of troops were stationed and daily sorties were flown to enforce the no-fly zone.  How do you know that old Saudi base was not as expensive?</p>
<blockquote><p>Second, there has been no discernible safety gains from our presence in Iraq as the number of terrorists and terrorist acts has actually increased since 9/11.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  Even the New York times reports that Al-qaeda is crippled in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we have shown gains in other regions around the world against Islamic terrorism, such as <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/world/asia/09terror.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">South Asia</a>.  Also, if you count the attacks on Iraqi civilians as part of the Iraq war itself, then terrorism has actually <a href="http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJciaxCBODpiOZKXuLS73Q0gpaBA" rel="nofollow">decreased elsewhere throughout the world by 40% since 2001</a>.  Blame Bush?</p>
<blockquote><p>Third, because our resources have been diverted to Iraq, our government has been limited in their capacity to invest in alternative energy sources</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, come on.  The reason why we rely on foreign oil is because congress always blocks access to our own.  Besides, its the Saudi air-base, pick-your-poison argument again.</p>
<blockquote><p>Long story short, the quicker we can get our troops home, the quicker we can start to refocus our efforts on what really matters: American prosperity.</p></blockquote>
<p>The primary purpose of the government is to protect its citizens from those who would do us harm, so that we can build prosperity on our own.  You know how I have always argued that when countries like Iraq use <em>their</em> resources to fight the terrorists in their midst rather than support them or look away, then we are safer in the long run to pursue prosperity unfettered. We don&#8217;t have to waste our resources policing the world <em>after</em> terrorist attacks, or sealing off our homeland as the first line of defense, or survelling our citizens as our last line of defense, not to mention avoiding terrorist attacks themselves which are the worst kind of blow to our American way of life, economic or otherwise.  It is an investment in security that pays off when we inevitably prosper in the absence of terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: mdgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious what stats you&#039;re thinking of when you say &quot;fewer terrorists and terrorist acts&quot;.  I certainly believe that, but it&#039;s a stat that begs to be defined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious what stats you&#8217;re thinking of when you say &#8220;fewer terrorists and terrorist acts&#8221;.  I certainly believe that, but it&#8217;s a stat that begs to be defined.</p>
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