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	<title>Comments on: Lets play Obamamann Oddball &#8211; Part Deux!</title>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Maddow &#38; Alter: &#8220;The New Yorker cover is irresponsible because they should know that Americans are too supid to understand it.&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Maddow &#38; Alter: &#8220;The New Yorker cover is irresponsible because they should know that Americans are too supid to understand it.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for big spending, big deficit, big government Republicans under GWB, or the regularly scheduled Keith Olbermann and Jonathon Alter Obama Infomercial. Maddow&#8217;s broadcast on Monday was another case in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for big spending, big deficit, big government Republicans under GWB, or the regularly scheduled Keith Olbermann and Jonathon Alter Obama Infomercial. Maddow&#8217;s broadcast on Monday was another case in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Olbermann Agonistes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Olbermann Agonistes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have expended more than a few words criticizing Keith Olbermann for his kid-glove (fawning? sycophant?) treatment of Barack Obama, particularly his coverage of Obama&#8217;s flip-flop on opposition to the very bad FISA [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have expended more than a few words criticizing Keith Olbermann for his kid-glove (fawning? sycophant?) treatment of Barack Obama, particularly his coverage of Obama&#8217;s flip-flop on opposition to the very bad FISA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Link Round-Up &#124; THE HOT JOINTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Link Round-Up &#124; THE HOT JOINTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More Quality Olbermann Bashing &amp; Here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/27/lets-play-obamamann-oddball-part-deaux/comment-page-1/#comment-410644</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,
KO said in his Kos excuse, that he was OK with the bill because John Dean is the smartest guy on the planet and John Dean said it restored 4th amendment protections. Problem being that John Dean did not say that. &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/27/glenzilla-vs-olbermann-john-dean-weighs-in/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Dean says this&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I said that when I read the bill, and talked to the folks at the ACLU who had been following it, that it was not clear. I raised it when appearing on Countdown with the hope that someone might figure it out. But that is the nature of this badly drafted bill that it is not clear what it does and does not do, and the drafters are not saying.  But even if the bill is unclear there is no question the Bush Administration is not going to do anything to the telecoms, so the question is whether a future DOJ could -- and here there is case law protecting the telecoms. But there may be language buried in the bill that protects them as well but it can only be found by reading the bill with a half dozen other laws which I have not yet done. I made no declarative statements rather I only raised questions that jumped at me when reading the 114 page monster.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point, is that this bill is such a piece of sh*t, that not even the best constitutional lawyers can say whether it provides any real additional protections. So we are right back where we started. It is subject to the interpretation of the President. Not rule of law, but rule of presidential personality. No worries, though. In Obama we Trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,<br />
KO said in his Kos excuse, that he was OK with the bill because John Dean is the smartest guy on the planet and John Dean said it restored 4th amendment protections. Problem being that John Dean did not say that. <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/27/glenzilla-vs-olbermann-john-dean-weighs-in/" rel="nofollow">John Dean says this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;I said that when I read the bill, and talked to the folks at the ACLU who had been following it, that it was not clear. I raised it when appearing on Countdown with the hope that someone might figure it out. But that is the nature of this badly drafted bill that it is not clear what it does and does not do, and the drafters are not saying.  But even if the bill is unclear there is no question the Bush Administration is not going to do anything to the telecoms, so the question is whether a future DOJ could &#8212; and here there is case law protecting the telecoms. But there may be language buried in the bill that protects them as well but it can only be found by reading the bill with a half dozen other laws which I have not yet done. I made no declarative statements rather I only raised questions that jumped at me when reading the 114 page monster.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The point, is that this bill is such a piece of sh*t, that not even the best constitutional lawyers can say whether it provides any real additional protections. So we are right back where we started. It is subject to the interpretation of the President. Not rule of law, but rule of presidential personality. No worries, though. In Obama we Trust.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/27/lets-play-obamamann-oddball-part-deaux/comment-page-1/#comment-410643</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shortwoman,
Actually Wright also worked peripherally for the Obama campaign until he was asked to leave, just like Ferraro was working peripherally with the  Clinton campaign until she was asked to leave. 

If you read the whole post you will see that I was only bringing it up in the context of showing an identical Olbermann pattern. First the high dudgeon damning of a specific action by a politician in one of his &quot;special comments&quot;, Then bending over backward to soft-pedal or excuse the exact same behavior when it is Barack Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shortwoman,<br />
Actually Wright also worked peripherally for the Obama campaign until he was asked to leave, just like Ferraro was working peripherally with the  Clinton campaign until she was asked to leave. </p>
<p>If you read the whole post you will see that I was only bringing it up in the context of showing an identical Olbermann pattern. First the high dudgeon damning of a specific action by a politician in one of his &#8220;special comments&#8221;, Then bending over backward to soft-pedal or excuse the exact same behavior when it is Barack Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/27/lets-play-obamamann-oddball-part-deaux/comment-page-1/#comment-410642</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I watched those videos a few times, i never heard KO â€œsupportâ€ Obama for voting for FISA. &lt;/i&gt; - CH&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? You do not see any difference between KO saying about Bush supporting the FISA bill on the one hand that it is:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government.... Now it begins to look like the bureaucrats of the Third Reich, trying to protect the Krupp family, the industrial giants, re-writing the laws of Germany for their benefit.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And saying about Obama supporting FISA on the other hand:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Senator Obama also refusing to cower even to the left on the subject of warrantless wiretapping...not cowering to the left, not going along with the conventional, the new conventional thinking on the FISA bill, that&#039;s something altogether different, isn&#039;t it?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Really? 

What about his statement in his Daily Kos diary?
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;â€œSeriously, there is little in the polls to suggest McCain has anything to run with other than terror . . . . So why hand them a brick to hit him with â€” Obama Voted Against FISA â€” if voting Aye enhances his chances of getting himself his own Attorney General to prosecute FISA.â€ &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
He could not be more explicit. This statement says he is not going to criticize Obama for supporting FISA,  he is going to give him Obama a free pass for supporting what he considers a &quot;fascist&quot; bill, not because it is right, but just because he wants Obama to be president.  Journalism at its finest. 

Whatever. 

No matter. Apparently Olbermann has blinked. On his Friday &quot;Countdown show he announced that on Monday he is going to do a &quot;Special Comment&quot;   on Obama and FISA saying &lt;i&gt;&quot;Senator Obama wants his cake and to eat it too.&quot;. &lt;/i&gt; We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;I watched those videos a few times, i never heard KO â€œsupportâ€ Obama for voting for FISA. </i> &#8211; CH</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? You do not see any difference between KO saying about Bush supporting the FISA bill on the one hand that it is:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism &#8212; the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government&#8230;. Now it begins to look like the bureaucrats of the Third Reich, trying to protect the Krupp family, the industrial giants, re-writing the laws of Germany for their benefit.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And saying about Obama supporting FISA on the other hand:<br />
<blockquote><i>&#8220;Senator Obama also refusing to cower even to the left on the subject of warrantless wiretapping&#8230;not cowering to the left, not going along with the conventional, the new conventional thinking on the FISA bill, that&#8217;s something altogether different, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Really? </p>
<p>What about his statement in his Daily Kos diary?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>â€œSeriously, there is little in the polls to suggest McCain has anything to run with other than terror . . . . So why hand them a brick to hit him with â€” Obama Voted Against FISA â€” if voting Aye enhances his chances of getting himself his own Attorney General to prosecute FISA.â€ </i></p></blockquote>
<p>He could not be more explicit. This statement says he is not going to criticize Obama for supporting FISA,  he is going to give him Obama a free pass for supporting what he considers a &#8220;fascist&#8221; bill, not because it is right, but just because he wants Obama to be president.  Journalism at its finest. </p>
<p>Whatever. </p>
<p>No matter. Apparently Olbermann has blinked. On his Friday &#8220;Countdown show he announced that on Monday he is going to do a &#8220;Special Comment&#8221;   on Obama and FISA saying <i>&#8220;Senator Obama wants his cake and to eat it too.&#8221;. </i> We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShortWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key difference between his reaction to the Ferraro mess vs the Wright mess is this:  Ferraro &lt;i&gt;worked for the Clinton campaign&lt;/i&gt;;  Wright did not.  You can reasonably exert some control over somebody who works for you.  You can&#039;t reasonably exert any control over your preacher. 

Why are we bringing this up now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key difference between his reaction to the Ferraro mess vs the Wright mess is this:  Ferraro <i>worked for the Clinton campaign</i>;  Wright did not.  You can reasonably exert some control over somebody who works for you.  You can&#8217;t reasonably exert any control over your preacher. </p>
<p>Why are we bringing this up now?</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olbermann did a complete about-face on this. Greenfield&#039;s right. Keith used to be must-see tv for me. But if I want to watch a lying hypocrite with an agenda I&#039;ll watch Bill O&#039;Reilly. These days it seems there&#039;s little difference between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olbermann did a complete about-face on this. Greenfield&#8217;s right. Keith used to be must-see tv for me. But if I want to watch a lying hypocrite with an agenda I&#8217;ll watch Bill O&#8217;Reilly. These days it seems there&#8217;s little difference between them.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/27/lets-play-obamamann-oddball-part-deaux/comment-page-1/#comment-410616</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; but it DOES restore the 4th amendment like KOâ€™s guest said. Isnâ€™t that what is most important out of all of this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed. See my comment about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2008/06/25/obama-explains-fisa-position/#comment-410556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Not an easy decision, but a good compromise Obama made to restore many of the civil liberties Bush completely ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> but it DOES restore the 4th amendment like KOâ€™s guest said. Isnâ€™t that what is most important out of all of this?</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. See my comment about this <a href="http://donklephant.com/2008/06/25/obama-explains-fisa-position/#comment-410556" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Not an easy decision, but a good compromise Obama made to restore many of the civil liberties Bush completely ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and looked at it from his point of view, yes its *not* everything he wants,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and looked at it from his point of view, yes its *not* everything he wants,</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW that made me sick to my stomach. That HUGE tornado of word twisting and spin going on there. I watched those videos a few times, i never heard KO &quot;support&quot; Obama for voting for FISA. I heard him relaying what Obama said about not cowering and then asking his guest questions about the topic. I will honestly say im for Obama but still have reservations. When i heard about him voting for this bill i was shocked, but the i TOOK TIME TO READ IT and looked at it from his point of view, yes its everything he wants, but it DOES restore the 4th amendment like KO&#039;s guest said. Isn&#039;t that what is most important out of all of this? The telcom immunity, althought important, hides the bigger issue of the fourth amendment. It seems to me some people are  just reading headlines and not doing thier due dilegence in actually FACT checking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW that made me sick to my stomach. That HUGE tornado of word twisting and spin going on there. I watched those videos a few times, i never heard KO &#8220;support&#8221; Obama for voting for FISA. I heard him relaying what Obama said about not cowering and then asking his guest questions about the topic. I will honestly say im for Obama but still have reservations. When i heard about him voting for this bill i was shocked, but the i TOOK TIME TO READ IT and looked at it from his point of view, yes its everything he wants, but it DOES restore the 4th amendment like KO&#8217;s guest said. Isn&#8217;t that what is most important out of all of this? The telcom immunity, althought important, hides the bigger issue of the fourth amendment. It seems to me some people are  just reading headlines and not doing thier due dilegence in actually FACT checking.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pdx
That had not occurred to me, but I think you may be on to something. That would explain a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pdx<br />
That had not occurred to me, but I think you may be on to something. That would explain a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith Olbermann: the overdue New York State Tax Warrant, Chinese American Trading Company the buyers of his real estate, the corporation

Keith Olbermann: the address from 2001 of his, the parents of Katy Tur and the civil actions


www.webofdeception.com</description>
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<p>Keith Olbermann: the address from 2001 of his, the parents of Katy Tur and the civil actions</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webofdeception.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.webofdeception.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pdx632</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pdx632</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Keith is auditioning for press secretary of the Obama administration</description>
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