Comments on: Anti-FISA Group On Obama’s Website Reaches 14,600+ Members

By: Donklephant » Blog Archive » Anti-FISA Group On Obama’s Website Reaches 20,000 Members

Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:03:56 +0000

[...] I wrote about this last Thursday, and at that time the group had 14,600 members. [...]

By: Rob in Denver

Rob in Denver — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:53:08 +0000

@dan: And Scalzi agrees with you. I do, too, for that matter (Unaffiliated voter here who usually votes Libertarian). If you haven’t already, I urge you to read the entire post along with the comment trail.

As for your all/none statement at the end: surely there are non-politicians (I’m assuming this is who you mean when you say “the people”) who don’t care about FISA and even some who do think it’s a good idea to affirm telco immunity… just as there were, in fact, politicians who voted against the bill. ;)

By: dan

dan — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:48:59 +0000

“John Scalzi, a sci-fi novelist with a fantastic blog, summed this issue up quite well the other day in a post called, Reminder: Thereâ€™s No Actual Office for â€œPresident of the Leftâ€”

but this isn’t just an issue of right vs. left. i know a lot of right-leaning libertarians that despise this bill more than i do. i read somewhere there was a poll with up near 3/4 of those polled opposed the bill?

this is an issue of the people vs. the government, pure and simple. the people do not want this bill, on the right or the left. only the politicians do.

By: ExiledIndependent

ExiledIndependent — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:10:07 +0000

Anyone who genuinely believes that Obama is a “different” kind of politician is really really mistaken. It’s somewhat frustrating to know that by early next year, there’s going to be an entire generation of young first-time voters, people for the first time in their lives energized by the hopeful promise of genuine change in politics, utterly disillusioned by the reality that Obama is simply a normal politician with an exceptional ability to persuade and motivate with his words.

But honestly, for the upcoming election, it doesn’t matter. Those 14,000+ folks who are upset with him will still vote Obama in November. It’s the same thing with the conseravative core of the Republicans. There will always be a chunk of people who end up voting AGAINST a candidate, rather than for one.

By: Rob in Denver

Rob in Denver — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:23:44 +0000

John Scalzi, a sci-fi novelist with a fantastic blog, summed this issue up quite well the other day in a post called, Reminder: Thereâ€™s No Actual Office for â€œPresident of the Leftâ€: "Personally speaking Iâ€™m not hugely thrilled with every move Obama has made recently: ... . On the other hand, I have strong suspicions that President Obama would nominate to the high court the sort of judges that would see the FISA â€œcompromiseâ€ bill as fundamentally unconstitutional, and in the meantime his positioning deprives the right-wing shouty chorus of some oxygen during his presidential campaign. Which is to say that Iâ€™m fundamentally unsurprised to discover that Barack Obama, who has been in politics for a number of years, is a politician. And a politician who wants to win as big as he can." As for me, I'm not particularly thrilled abut Obama's position on FISA, either. But the thing that stopped me from joining the shrieking masses who are, well, shrieking about it is that President Obama can't deliver even a speck of what he's promising if he's not, you know, elected.