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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412129</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADDENDUM:

Brilliant move by the McCain campaign today, as he says he would like to bring the troops home &lt;a href=&quot;http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/22/heather-wilson-mccain-wants-the-troops-home-sooner-than-16-months-if-possible/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;sooner&lt;/em&gt; than 16 months, &lt;/a&gt;if conditions permit.

This just points to the fallacy of a fixed timetable, as if it is the only way to get troops home; as if achieving victory and then moving out according to conditions on the ground is not a viable, not-to-mention better option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADDENDUM:</p>
<p>Brilliant move by the McCain campaign today, as he says he would like to bring the troops home <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/22/heather-wilson-mccain-wants-the-troops-home-sooner-than-16-months-if-possible/" rel="nofollow"><em>sooner</em> than 16 months, </a>if conditions permit.</p>
<p>This just points to the fallacy of a fixed timetable, as if it is the only way to get troops home; as if achieving victory and then moving out according to conditions on the ground is not a viable, not-to-mention better option.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets say in late 2009, Iran is caught red-handed procuring fuel for a nuclear bomb.  Imagine the most definitive and compelling evidence possible.  Israel launches a military strike against Iranian facilities, Iran strikes back, gives Hezbollah the green light and starts a terrorist campaign inside Iraq.  Territories are taken over by militias, suicide bombs in Bagdad, kidnappings, the whole deal.  Iraq is on the verge of collapsing again - should we put a hold on the timetable and use our security forces to get a hold on the situation?  Justin says no.  

I&#039;m not so sure that would be so wise to continue withdrawing troops.  I don&#039;t think Obama would either.  What&#039;s the point of a fixed timetable for withdrawal with no regard for the security situation at any given time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets say in late 2009, Iran is caught red-handed procuring fuel for a nuclear bomb.  Imagine the most definitive and compelling evidence possible.  Israel launches a military strike against Iranian facilities, Iran strikes back, gives Hezbollah the green light and starts a terrorist campaign inside Iraq.  Territories are taken over by militias, suicide bombs in Bagdad, kidnappings, the whole deal.  Iraq is on the verge of collapsing again &#8211; should we put a hold on the timetable and use our security forces to get a hold on the situation?  Justin says no.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that would be so wise to continue withdrawing troops.  I don&#8217;t think Obama would either.  What&#8217;s the point of a fixed timetable for withdrawal with no regard for the security situation at any given time?</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412113</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 
McCain was asked that question. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfr.org/publication/6973/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In 2004&lt;/a&gt;. And he gave the right answer. All he needs to do is repeat that exact same answer verbatim. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Question:&lt;/b&gt; â€œWhat would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?â€

  &lt;b&gt;McCainâ€™s Answer:&lt;/b&gt; â€œWell, if that scenario evolves than I think itâ€™s obvious that we would have to leave because â€” if it was an elected government of Iraq, and weâ€™ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I donâ€™t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.â€&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
McCain was asked that question. <a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/6973/" rel="nofollow">In 2004</a>. And he gave the right answer. All he needs to do is repeat that exact same answer verbatim. </p>
<blockquote><p><i><b>Question:</b> â€œWhat would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?â€</p>
<p>  <b>McCainâ€™s Answer:</b> â€œWell, if that scenario evolves than I think itâ€™s obvious that we would have to leave because â€” if it was an elected government of Iraq, and weâ€™ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I donâ€™t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.â€</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412103</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain needs to be asked &quot;If the Iraqi government asks us to leave, how would you react?&quot; How long we stay is not solely our decision, and it looks like (at least at the moment) the Iraqi government wants us to start withdrawing soon. I&#039;m with mw - violence is way down, and the government looks like it&#039;s starting to function. The threat of civil war seems to be passed. To me, that sounds like we&#039;re winning, so we should be able to start withdrawing soon. I don&#039;t expect that the Iraqis can do without us completely (as McCain has pointed out, their Air Force is next to non-existant), so I expect it to take a while, but I think we should be able to cut our forces in half over the next couple years. I&#039;m really happy that Obama wasn&#039;t elected a couple years ago. Had we pulled out then, Iraq would have been a royal mess. But if they tell us to leave, we need to start leaving - and it looks like that&#039;s going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain needs to be asked &#8220;If the Iraqi government asks us to leave, how would you react?&#8221; How long we stay is not solely our decision, and it looks like (at least at the moment) the Iraqi government wants us to start withdrawing soon. I&#8217;m with mw &#8211; violence is way down, and the government looks like it&#8217;s starting to function. The threat of civil war seems to be passed. To me, that sounds like we&#8217;re winning, so we should be able to start withdrawing soon. I don&#8217;t expect that the Iraqis can do without us completely (as McCain has pointed out, their Air Force is next to non-existant), so I expect it to take a while, but I think we should be able to cut our forces in half over the next couple years. I&#8217;m really happy that Obama wasn&#8217;t elected a couple years ago. Had we pulled out then, Iraq would have been a royal mess. But if they tell us to leave, we need to start leaving &#8211; and it looks like that&#8217;s going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412097</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25774091/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al-Dabbagh said the government did not endorse a fixed date&lt;/a&gt;, but hoped American combat units could be out of Iraq sometime in 2010. That timeframe falls within the 16-month withdrawal plan proposed by Obama, who arrived in Iraq earlier in the day as part of a congressional fact-finding team.

â€œWe are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq,â€ al-Dabbagh told reporters, &lt;b&gt;noting that any withdrawal plan was subject to change if the level of violence kicks up again&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;

Note the selective tight clip of the video to delete the context.

But partisans hear what partisans want to hear. Iraq is playing its own game, not ours, not Obama&#039;s, not McCain&#039;s. (To my mind that&#039;s a good thing, if somewhat annoying in the silly season of domestic elections.) 

Expect further &quot;refinement&quot; of Obama&#039;s &quot;plan,&quot; and ask yourself whom is pulling whose strings here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25774091/" rel="nofollow">Al-Dabbagh said the government did not endorse a fixed date</a>, but hoped American combat units could be out of Iraq sometime in 2010. That timeframe falls within the 16-month withdrawal plan proposed by Obama, who arrived in Iraq earlier in the day as part of a congressional fact-finding team.</p>
<p>â€œWe are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq,â€ al-Dabbagh told reporters, <b>noting that any withdrawal plan was subject to change if the level of violence kicks up again</b>.</i></p>
<p>Note the selective tight clip of the video to delete the context.</p>
<p>But partisans hear what partisans want to hear. Iraq is playing its own game, not ours, not Obama&#8217;s, not McCain&#8217;s. (To my mind that&#8217;s a good thing, if somewhat annoying in the silly season of domestic elections.) </p>
<p>Expect further &#8220;refinement&#8221; of Obama&#8217;s &#8220;plan,&#8221; and ask yourself whom is pulling whose strings here.</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Okay, Well If They Want Us Out By 2010&#8230;..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Okay, Well If They Want Us Out By 2010&#8230;..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/21/iraqi-government-confirms-preference-for-2010-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-412089</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine by me. I vaguely somebody in this administration saying that we can stand down when the Iraqi&#039;s stand up.  Ok. They stood up.  We have a glorious victory.  We get to stand down now.  Well, between now and 2010. 

I just hope MCain figures it out in the next 24 hours and &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2008/07/19/mccain-responds-to-malikis-withdrawal-talk/#comment-412070&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;does not blow this opportunity&lt;/a&gt; to get on the same side with most of the American people.  He could turn this election around right now by embracing Maliki&#039;s statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine by me. I vaguely somebody in this administration saying that we can stand down when the Iraqi&#8217;s stand up.  Ok. They stood up.  We have a glorious victory.  We get to stand down now.  Well, between now and 2010. </p>
<p>I just hope MCain figures it out in the next 24 hours and <a href="http://donklephant.com/2008/07/19/mccain-responds-to-malikis-withdrawal-talk/#comment-412070" rel="nofollow">does not blow this opportunity</a> to get on the same side with most of the American people.  He could turn this election around right now by embracing Maliki&#8217;s statements.</p>
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