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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/23/quote-of-the-day-41/comment-page-1/#comment-412186</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain doesn&#039;t really care about success in Iraq.  If he did, he would support a perpetual occupation.  If at any time America withdraws troops, somebody could bomb Iraq and claim America lost.  Therefore, in order to prevent them from winning, we must stay there forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain doesn&#8217;t really care about success in Iraq.  If he did, he would support a perpetual occupation.  If at any time America withdraws troops, somebody could bomb Iraq and claim America lost.  Therefore, in order to prevent them from winning, we must stay there forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/23/quote-of-the-day-41/comment-page-1/#comment-412185</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jim S

Yes...that is why we have republicans.  No, I&#039;m being stereotypical.  Though, I feel when viewing proclaimed republicans argue versus proclaimed democrats argue, it seems to be republicans tend to be more slanderous and focused on a single point which in itself may prove a point but not so much when viewed on the whole amongst the many other factors that may play into a particular situation.  Granted though I&#039;ve seen this from dems too, just particularly seems to be a republican thing.  I would have to say there is a lot of cognitive dissonance involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jim S</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;that is why we have republicans.  No, I&#8217;m being stereotypical.  Though, I feel when viewing proclaimed republicans argue versus proclaimed democrats argue, it seems to be republicans tend to be more slanderous and focused on a single point which in itself may prove a point but not so much when viewed on the whole amongst the many other factors that may play into a particular situation.  Granted though I&#8217;ve seen this from dems too, just particularly seems to be a republican thing.  I would have to say there is a lot of cognitive dissonance involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/23/quote-of-the-day-41/comment-page-1/#comment-412183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anybody really so simple minded as to think that the surge is &lt;b&gt;the&lt;/b&gt; exclusive factor that caused violence to decrease in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anybody really so simple minded as to think that the surge is <b>the</b> exclusive factor that caused violence to decrease in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/23/quote-of-the-day-41/comment-page-1/#comment-412179</link>
		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your indignation is misdirected, methinks.  McCain was speaking plainly, directly, and truthfully.  We may be a little too used to the diplomatic padding that&#039;s been the norm for the past 20 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your indignation is misdirected, methinks.  McCain was speaking plainly, directly, and truthfully.  We may be a little too used to the diplomatic padding that&#8217;s been the norm for the past 20 years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/23/quote-of-the-day-41/comment-page-1/#comment-412172</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s an especially nasty thing to say. It reflects poorly on McCain&#039;s judgement and temperament that he didn&#039;t let it be said by surrogate attack dogs. That it has not caused more of an uproar is a reflection of our ever-growing tolerance for coarseness.

But Obama brought it upon himself by making a hash of his position in light of the demonstrable fact that the surge has at least for now improved the outlook for Iraq. Obama&#039;s willful opaqueness on this point makes him look like, at best, a petulant douche.

McCain, though, ought to be careful about his current triumphalism. Circumstances could make him look like Bush circa &quot;mission accomplished.&quot; Here&#039;s why:

When Bush speechified in front of the &quot;accomplished&quot; banner, he was simply marking the end of the first and easiest phase of our involvement, namely the invasion phase. Now, McCain is signaling something like a declaration of victory in the much harder 2nd phase, that of bringing about something resembling a fitful peace and a rudimentary functioning government backed by our substantial economic and military propping.

What&#039;s nascent now is the 3rd and by far hardest phase, the pulling out, or the &quot;tossing the fledgling from the nest&quot; phase. Or the &quot;keep it up without our propping&quot; phase.

I&#039;ve got news for McCain and the rest of the &quot;failure is not an option&quot; crowd. The general public is not going to have much patience for taking out 20k and then sending back 10k, taking out 15k and then sending back 25k, and so on. Withdrawal needs to be pretty much a one-way street, IMO. And the clock is ticking whether John McCain likes it or not, due to domestic opinion both here and in Iraq.

McCain is acting like we suddenly have a 3 run lead after 8 innings. It&#039;s more like we have a 1 run  lead in the sixth but our starter is tiring and  just walked the first guy to start the inning. In other words, the US is the starter, and we&#039;re at 90-something pitches. We can make it through a few more batters, maybe with luck finish the 7th inning and keep our lead, 

But we&#039;re about cooked. The outcome of the game is going to depend on the bullpen, and we&#039;re NOT the bullpen. Iraqis are the bullpen. &quot;It&#039;s up to the rookie!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s an especially nasty thing to say. It reflects poorly on McCain&#8217;s judgement and temperament that he didn&#8217;t let it be said by surrogate attack dogs. That it has not caused more of an uproar is a reflection of our ever-growing tolerance for coarseness.</p>
<p>But Obama brought it upon himself by making a hash of his position in light of the demonstrable fact that the surge has at least for now improved the outlook for Iraq. Obama&#8217;s willful opaqueness on this point makes him look like, at best, a petulant douche.</p>
<p>McCain, though, ought to be careful about his current triumphalism. Circumstances could make him look like Bush circa &#8220;mission accomplished.&#8221; Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>When Bush speechified in front of the &#8220;accomplished&#8221; banner, he was simply marking the end of the first and easiest phase of our involvement, namely the invasion phase. Now, McCain is signaling something like a declaration of victory in the much harder 2nd phase, that of bringing about something resembling a fitful peace and a rudimentary functioning government backed by our substantial economic and military propping.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s nascent now is the 3rd and by far hardest phase, the pulling out, or the &#8220;tossing the fledgling from the nest&#8221; phase. Or the &#8220;keep it up without our propping&#8221; phase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got news for McCain and the rest of the &#8220;failure is not an option&#8221; crowd. The general public is not going to have much patience for taking out 20k and then sending back 10k, taking out 15k and then sending back 25k, and so on. Withdrawal needs to be pretty much a one-way street, IMO. And the clock is ticking whether John McCain likes it or not, due to domestic opinion both here and in Iraq.</p>
<p>McCain is acting like we suddenly have a 3 run lead after 8 innings. It&#8217;s more like we have a 1 run  lead in the sixth but our starter is tiring and  just walked the first guy to start the inning. In other words, the US is the starter, and we&#8217;re at 90-something pitches. We can make it through a few more batters, maybe with luck finish the 7th inning and keep our lead, </p>
<p>But we&#8217;re about cooked. The outcome of the game is going to depend on the bullpen, and we&#8217;re NOT the bullpen. Iraqis are the bullpen. &#8220;It&#8217;s up to the rookie!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: THE GUN TOTING LIBERALâ„¢</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE GUN TOTING LIBERALâ„¢</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Was John McCain &#8220;Scurrilous&#8221; Toward Barack Obama?  Time Magazine&#8217;s Joe Klein Says &#8220;INDEED&#8221;&#8230;...&lt;/strong&gt;

New Word Of The Day: &#8220;Scurrilous&#8221;, H/T To Bill O&#8217;Reilly?  NOPE &#8212; This One Coming From Time Magazine
When I gravitated toward MemeOrandum today to see what news was teasing my fellow political bloggers into a frenzy, I noted ther...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Was John McCain &#8220;Scurrilous&#8221; Toward Barack Obama?  Time Magazine&#8217;s Joe Klein Says &#8220;INDEED&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>New Word Of The Day: &#8220;Scurrilous&#8221;, H/T To Bill O&#8217;Reilly?  NOPE &#8212; This One Coming From Time Magazine<br />
When I gravitated toward MemeOrandum today to see what news was teasing my fellow political bloggers into a frenzy, I noted ther&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me be clear: Klein&#039;s statement is so facially ridiculous that it&#039;s laughable. McCain&#039;s statement hurts because it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;credible&lt;/i&gt;, especially in light of Obama&#039;s statement the other day that &lt;i&gt;even knowing then what he knows now&lt;/i&gt; he would still have opposed the surge for &quot;political reasons.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be clear: Klein&#8217;s statement is so facially ridiculous that it&#8217;s laughable. McCain&#8217;s statement hurts because it&#8217;s <i>credible</i>, especially in light of Obama&#8217;s statement the other day that <i>even knowing then what he knows now</i> he would still have opposed the surge for &#8220;political reasons.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Faux Liberal Outrage Number 350,435,987</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faux Liberal Outrage Number 350,435,987</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good take on this by &lt;a href=&quot;http://qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=8934&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McQ at QandO:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;l[Obama] really doesn&#039;t care about a successful outcome there. He simply wants us out - regardless. He&#039;ll mouth the platitudes about honoring our military&#039;s sacrifice, but bottom line, he&#039;s going to pull us out of there regardless of the advice he gets from generals or the conditions there at the time - and it has to do with &lt;strong&gt;politics&lt;/strong&gt; and the presidency.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its true - wouldn&#039;t an unconditional pullout at the peak of insurgent violence have resulted in a loss?  Obama says &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; to Katie Couric, which really means &quot;I don&#039;t care&quot; considering what he &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; know now about the success of the surge, and yet he claims he &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; would have opposed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good take on this by <a href="http://qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=8934" >McQ at QandO:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>l[Obama] really doesn&#8217;t care about a successful outcome there. He simply wants us out &#8211; regardless. He&#8217;ll mouth the platitudes about honoring our military&#8217;s sacrifice, but bottom line, he&#8217;s going to pull us out of there regardless of the advice he gets from generals or the conditions there at the time &#8211; and it has to do with <strong>politics</strong> and the presidency.</p></blockquote>
<p>Its true &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t an unconditional pullout at the peak of insurgent violence have resulted in a loss?  Obama says &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; to Katie Couric, which really means &#8220;I don&#8217;t care&#8221; considering what he <em>does</em> know now about the success of the surge, and yet he claims he <em>still</em> would have opposed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelin has a short and selective memroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelin has a short and selective memroy.</p>
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