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	<title>Comments on: Study Shows Media MUCH Tougher On Obama</title>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412369</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the mainstream media coverage of Obama is fairly well reflected on Donklephant.  Justin (&amp; I don&#039;t think he&#039;d disagree) isn&#039;t just an Obama cool-aid drinker, he literally showers himself in Obama cool-aid like a superbowl gatorade splash on the headcoach.  If I had the time, or the inclination, I&#039;d LOVE to do a statistical analysis of Donklephant posts on positive/negative McCain/Obama posts.  I suspect it would be 95% Obama positive/10 McCain Positive, 5% Obama negative/95% negative.  Now, mw &amp; Carl gallantly try to spooning water out of the Titantic - but the fact is (&amp; I mean this as no insult to Justin - he has every right to his political views) - the site should really be renamed to Obamaphile or Donklobama.  Even good coverage of McCain comes with some dour caveat about something aspect of the man or his campaign.  I don&#039;t blame Obamaphile&#039;s for being excited, he is probably going to be the next President -- but straining credulity is something you should probably get use to Kranky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the mainstream media coverage of Obama is fairly well reflected on Donklephant.  Justin (&amp; I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d disagree) isn&#8217;t just an Obama cool-aid drinker, he literally showers himself in Obama cool-aid like a superbowl gatorade splash on the headcoach.  If I had the time, or the inclination, I&#8217;d LOVE to do a statistical analysis of Donklephant posts on positive/negative McCain/Obama posts.  I suspect it would be 95% Obama positive/10 McCain Positive, 5% Obama negative/95% negative.  Now, mw &amp; Carl gallantly try to spooning water out of the Titantic &#8211; but the fact is (&amp; I mean this as no insult to Justin &#8211; he has every right to his political views) &#8211; the site should really be renamed to Obamaphile or Donklobama.  Even good coverage of McCain comes with some dour caveat about something aspect of the man or his campaign.  I don&#8217;t blame Obamaphile&#8217;s for being excited, he is probably going to be the next President &#8212; but straining credulity is something you should probably get use to Kranky.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412368</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFL. I love it when someone throws a bucket of mud into the waters and then says, &quot;oh, it&#039;s all very muddy.&quot;

It&#039;s as muddy as you wanna make it. Show me someone who is genuinely interested in collecting and tabulating the amount and nature of the coverage each candidate is getting to determine whether there is any bias. Then  I might be persuaded. Show me someone who explains &quot;here&#039;s how I did it.&quot;

Instead, what we have is info from folks eager to refute the notion that one candidate is getting most of the coverage and that this candidate is vastly preferred by the media.

Tully thinks I&#039;m a starry-eyed uncritical adorer of Obama. [Admit it Tully, you do!  :-)    ] Yet I&#039;m having little trouble noticing that Obama is getting a LOT of coverage, and that a lot of it is fairly uncritical. MAYBE the random samples I get from channel surfing are not wholly representative because of whatever I choose to watch. That&#039;s possible. But there is just NO WAY that Obama is getting treated more harshly, unless one is only counting FOX. 

Frankly, such a contention strains my credulity to the breaking point. For someone who purports to be moderate and reasonable Justin, you need to do a better job than to simply leap to report uncritically on such a study simply because it&#039;s good for your team. This study is not worthy of trumpeting or calling folks attention to, it&#039;s worthy of dismissal. Or perhaps derision. If one can&#039;t report one&#039;s methodology on something so utterly subjective, that&#039;s a HUGE red flag. Hopefully sooner or later you&#039;ll get this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFL. I love it when someone throws a bucket of mud into the waters and then says, &#8220;oh, it&#8217;s all very muddy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as muddy as you wanna make it. Show me someone who is genuinely interested in collecting and tabulating the amount and nature of the coverage each candidate is getting to determine whether there is any bias. Then  I might be persuaded. Show me someone who explains &#8220;here&#8217;s how I did it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead, what we have is info from folks eager to refute the notion that one candidate is getting most of the coverage and that this candidate is vastly preferred by the media.</p>
<p>Tully thinks I&#8217;m a starry-eyed uncritical adorer of Obama. [Admit it Tully, you do!  :-)    ] Yet I&#8217;m having little trouble noticing that Obama is getting a LOT of coverage, and that a lot of it is fairly uncritical. MAYBE the random samples I get from channel surfing are not wholly representative because of whatever I choose to watch. That&#8217;s possible. But there is just NO WAY that Obama is getting treated more harshly, unless one is only counting FOX. </p>
<p>Frankly, such a contention strains my credulity to the breaking point. For someone who purports to be moderate and reasonable Justin, you need to do a better job than to simply leap to report uncritically on such a study simply because it&#8217;s good for your team. This study is not worthy of trumpeting or calling folks attention to, it&#8217;s worthy of dismissal. Or perhaps derision. If one can&#8217;t report one&#8217;s methodology on something so utterly subjective, that&#8217;s a HUGE red flag. Hopefully sooner or later you&#8217;ll get this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412365</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, without the actual source material all you have is Rainey&#039;s characterization of the study. You have no idea what they&#039;re calling negative, what show they sourced it to, how they&#039;re counting &quot;hits,&quot; etc. IOW, since it&#039;s a subjective interpretive measure, you need the raw data in order to be able to objectively assess it. 

EX: A thirty-second series of 3 or 4-second man-in-the-street sound bites taken outside of a Klan meeting used by NBC to show racism affecting the election might be counted as 7-8 &lt;i&gt;negative media mentions&lt;/i&gt; of Obama. Hey, they were aired on NBC, they were all distinctly negative about Obama! But such a story would itself NOT be negative, but fairly blatant supportive pro-Obama propaganda.

Point being, YOU DON&#039;T KNOW. You&#039;re taking Rainey&#039;s characterization and interpretation &lt;i&gt;purely on faith&lt;/i&gt;--yet Rainey has been a fairly  consistent Obama booster, or at least consistently anti-everyone BUT Obama, one of those who can himself be tarred with the &quot;biased media for Obama&quot; label. He has a vested interest in repudiating that perception, and so can hardly be considered an impartial source. 

Indeed, just on general principle when considering claims of media bias one can go directly to things such as the Tyndall Report, where the measurement is pretty straight-up. &lt;b&gt;5 to 2&lt;/b&gt;. Or to that 20-to-1 Obama/McCain journalist&#039;s donation ratio, which is likewise an objective measure requiring &lt;i&gt;no subjective interpretation at all&lt;/i&gt;. They are what they are. No parsing of mening, no subjective assessment, just a clear objective measure. How many minutes? How much money? How many donors? No shading required.

When you see something wildly at variance with the objective measures, you need to take a VERY close look at that source material. CMPA has not publicly released it that I can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, without the actual source material all you have is Rainey&#8217;s characterization of the study. You have no idea what they&#8217;re calling negative, what show they sourced it to, how they&#8217;re counting &#8220;hits,&#8221; etc. IOW, since it&#8217;s a subjective interpretive measure, you need the raw data in order to be able to objectively assess it. </p>
<p>EX: A thirty-second series of 3 or 4-second man-in-the-street sound bites taken outside of a Klan meeting used by NBC to show racism affecting the election might be counted as 7-8 <i>negative media mentions</i> of Obama. Hey, they were aired on NBC, they were all distinctly negative about Obama! But such a story would itself NOT be negative, but fairly blatant supportive pro-Obama propaganda.</p>
<p>Point being, YOU DON&#8217;T KNOW. You&#8217;re taking Rainey&#8217;s characterization and interpretation <i>purely on faith</i>&#8211;yet Rainey has been a fairly  consistent Obama booster, or at least consistently anti-everyone BUT Obama, one of those who can himself be tarred with the &#8220;biased media for Obama&#8221; label. He has a vested interest in repudiating that perception, and so can hardly be considered an impartial source. </p>
<p>Indeed, just on general principle when considering claims of media bias one can go directly to things such as the Tyndall Report, where the measurement is pretty straight-up. <b>5 to 2</b>. Or to that 20-to-1 Obama/McCain journalist&#8217;s donation ratio, which is likewise an objective measure requiring <i>no subjective interpretation at all</i>. They are what they are. No parsing of mening, no subjective assessment, just a clear objective measure. How many minutes? How much money? How many donors? No shading required.</p>
<p>When you see something wildly at variance with the objective measures, you need to take a VERY close look at that source material. CMPA has not publicly released it that I can find.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412353</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was it&#039;s all very muddy, and given how many question marks surround Obama, it makes a lot of sense that he&#039;d get more coverage and when that coverage deviates from being neutral, it&#039;s more often negative. This, to me, follows what I&#039;ve seen throughout the campaign, not &quot;the press is in the bag for Obama&quot; coverage that the right wing claims.

And yes, I&#039;m taking Rainey&#039;s explanation as the truth. If the opposite proves to be true, then I&#039;ll adjust the post accordingly and question his integrity from that point forward. But Tully...did he simply make up those percentages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was it&#8217;s all very muddy, and given how many question marks surround Obama, it makes a lot of sense that he&#8217;d get more coverage and when that coverage deviates from being neutral, it&#8217;s more often negative. This, to me, follows what I&#8217;ve seen throughout the campaign, not &#8220;the press is in the bag for Obama&#8221; coverage that the right wing claims.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m taking Rainey&#8217;s explanation as the truth. If the opposite proves to be true, then I&#8217;ll adjust the post accordingly and question his integrity from that point forward. But Tully&#8230;did he simply make up those percentages?</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412351</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m utterly with Tully here. The only reason  that unsupportable claims such as these ever see the light of day is because they give permission to folks who want to ignore the obvious that its ok to ignore the obvious. Most Obama supporters will simply say &quot;they did a study that showed otherwise&quot; and that&#039;ll be the end of it. But any knucklehead can cook a study when the judgement is so subjective. 

For example, Consider a study that awarded the same score to the following negative statements:

-Questions have been raised about Candidate A&#039;s understanding of economic issues.

-Candidate B has a close long-term relationship with the Grand whatever of the Ku Klux Klan.

It gets awfully subjective awfully fast. Like Tully says, 5 to 2 is 5 to 2. That can be counted, quantified, and relied on in some substantive form. One thing you strongly predict from that 5 to 2 ratio is that among those who don&#039;t pay very close attention to politics, they are much more likely to know who the dem nom is than the GOP nom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m utterly with Tully here. The only reason  that unsupportable claims such as these ever see the light of day is because they give permission to folks who want to ignore the obvious that its ok to ignore the obvious. Most Obama supporters will simply say &#8220;they did a study that showed otherwise&#8221; and that&#8217;ll be the end of it. But any knucklehead can cook a study when the judgement is so subjective. </p>
<p>For example, Consider a study that awarded the same score to the following negative statements:</p>
<p>-Questions have been raised about Candidate A&#8217;s understanding of economic issues.</p>
<p>-Candidate B has a close long-term relationship with the Grand whatever of the Ku Klux Klan.</p>
<p>It gets awfully subjective awfully fast. Like Tully says, 5 to 2 is 5 to 2. That can be counted, quantified, and relied on in some substantive form. One thing you strongly predict from that 5 to 2 ratio is that among those who don&#8217;t pay very close attention to politics, they are much more likely to know who the dem nom is than the GOP nom.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412348</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and an additional &lt;i&gt;caveat&lt;/i&gt;. NEVER accept such a second-hand story uncritically when the source material purportedly being described is unavailable for examination. Without the source study to examine, you&#039;re simply taking Rainey&#039;s description as gospel. You know, &lt;i&gt;completely on faith&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s an unusual claim, so one would actually like to see what it&#039;s based on, because details count.

Tracking the political donations of the media shows that the Obama/McCain &quot;donation ratio&quot; in the primaries was roughly 20-to-1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and an additional <i>caveat</i>. NEVER accept such a second-hand story uncritically when the source material purportedly being described is unavailable for examination. Without the source study to examine, you&#8217;re simply taking Rainey&#8217;s description as gospel. You know, <i>completely on faith</i>. It&#8217;s an unusual claim, so one would actually like to see what it&#8217;s based on, because details count.</p>
<p>Tracking the political donations of the media shows that the Obama/McCain &#8220;donation ratio&#8221; in the primaries was roughly 20-to-1.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412346</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In any event, please donâ€™t buy into the spin that the press is in love with Obama when the exact opposite seems to be the case.&lt;&lt;/i&gt;

Better go check the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cmpa.com/files/media_monitor/08marapr.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;past releases from the same source&lt;/a&gt; before making that claim, rather than depending on cherry-picking out-of-context editorialism from the L.A. Times. Feliz is on the right beam--unless the coverage is immensely negative (not slightly negative, but &lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama eats babies and tortures kittens&quot;&lt;/i&gt; negative) then it&#039;s ALL good. &lt;b&gt;Just spell my name right.&lt;/b&gt; The key line from the story is simple:

&lt;i&gt;Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain.&lt;/i&gt;

Five to two is five to two. The media is giving Obama more than twice as much &quot;free advertising&quot; than they are giving McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In any event, please donâ€™t buy into the spin that the press is in love with Obama when the exact opposite seems to be the case.&lt;</i></p>
<p>Better go check the <a href="http://www.cmpa.com/files/media_monitor/08marapr.pdf" rel="nofollow">past releases from the same source</a> before making that claim, rather than depending on cherry-picking out-of-context editorialism from the L.A. Times. Feliz is on the right beam&#8211;unless the coverage is immensely negative (not slightly negative, but <i>&#8220;Obama eats babies and tortures kittens&#8221;</i> negative) then it&#8217;s ALL good. <b>Just spell my name right.</b> The key line from the story is simple:</p>
<p><i>Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain.</i></p>
<p>Five to two is five to two. The media is giving Obama more than twice as much &#8220;free advertising&#8221; than they are giving McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Feliz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412343</link>
		<dc:creator>Feliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at those numbers.  Unless the contest features an INCUMBENT already in the White House, the candidate getting the most coverage wins.    

The only exception is Dole vs. Clinton&#039;s second term, and 2nd Term Bush v. Kerry.  

If the trend holds, it&#039;s President Hope-Change-Believe come next JAN.

Spell my name right, is that it?  No such thing as bad publicity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at those numbers.  Unless the contest features an INCUMBENT already in the White House, the candidate getting the most coverage wins.    </p>
<p>The only exception is Dole vs. Clinton&#8217;s second term, and 2nd Term Bush v. Kerry.  </p>
<p>If the trend holds, it&#8217;s President Hope-Change-Believe come next JAN.</p>
<p>Spell my name right, is that it?  No such thing as bad publicity?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Hudson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/27/study-shows-media-much-tougher-on-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-412324</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of it is conservative bias, but part of it is that McCain&#039;s attacks -- no matter how unfounded -- make for good ratings. After all, today&#039;s corporate press feeds on drama and controversy, whether real or not. And speaking of fake drama, the media also profits by presenting this race as a close one, i.e., cultivating the illusion that McCain actually stands a chance. In other words, the interests of the media converge with those of the campaign industry, which stands to make a small fortune on contributions to McCain -- and that&#039;s even after subtracting the millions they&#039;ll spend on advertising on the media&#039;s TV stations and Web sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of it is conservative bias, but part of it is that McCain&#8217;s attacks &#8212; no matter how unfounded &#8212; make for good ratings. After all, today&#8217;s corporate press feeds on drama and controversy, whether real or not. And speaking of fake drama, the media also profits by presenting this race as a close one, i.e., cultivating the illusion that McCain actually stands a chance. In other words, the interests of the media converge with those of the campaign industry, which stands to make a small fortune on contributions to McCain &#8212; and that&#8217;s even after subtracting the millions they&#8217;ll spend on advertising on the media&#8217;s TV stations and Web sites.</p>
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