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	<title>Comments on: Mark Penn a Thorn in Democrats&#8217; Side</title>
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		<title>By: Lester</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/12/mark-penn-a-thorn-in-democrats-side/comment-page-1/#comment-413250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Penn is so totally irrelevant it is amazing any one still pays attention to him. He is a low rent bigot (how many people of color work for his firms, Burson-Marsteller and PSB?) and a dyed in the wool hawk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Penn is so totally irrelevant it is amazing any one still pays attention to him. He is a low rent bigot (how many people of color work for his firms, Burson-Marsteller and PSB?) and a dyed in the wool hawk.</p>
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		<title>By: budo</title>
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		<dc:creator>budo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO WHAT!! Here we go again and Fraudbama will definitely use it as any type of excuse that he can. Clinton DID NOT use this offered scenario and that states a great deal in itself. Be pissed at Penn, sure. BUT Clinton turned it down so why all this ONCE AGAIN &quot;stir up the pot&quot;, I do not comprehend.

The DEMS will lose for certain in November. As a DEM voter for 40 years I will one of the MANY who do not vote at all or will cast a vote for McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO WHAT!! Here we go again and Fraudbama will definitely use it as any type of excuse that he can. Clinton DID NOT use this offered scenario and that states a great deal in itself. Be pissed at Penn, sure. BUT Clinton turned it down so why all this ONCE AGAIN &#8220;stir up the pot&#8221;, I do not comprehend.</p>
<p>The DEMS will lose for certain in November. As a DEM voter for 40 years I will one of the MANY who do not vote at all or will cast a vote for McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been hearing this all over the news, the internet, I think the media is wanting to stir things up in the Democratic party so their corporate candidate, McCain will win. Trouble is if that happens there will be perpetual wars, more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, (only 2/3 of them pay taxes anyway) and the already middle class will become extinct. But so be it; maybe we have to really hit bottom before we can have a new beginning. But it won&#039;t be fun for those in the lower tier income brackets, which is most of us these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been hearing this all over the news, the internet, I think the media is wanting to stir things up in the Democratic party so their corporate candidate, McCain will win. Trouble is if that happens there will be perpetual wars, more tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, (only 2/3 of them pay taxes anyway) and the already middle class will become extinct. But so be it; maybe we have to really hit bottom before we can have a new beginning. But it won&#8217;t be fun for those in the lower tier income brackets, which is most of us these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Penn an Israeli - NOT an American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penn an Israeli - NOT an American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penn calling Obama &quot;not a real American&quot; is more than slightly humorous.
Penn is a dual-citizenship, AIPAC, Zionist flunky like the Clintons and the Bushes. &quot;Real&quot; Americans have had enough  of a foreign nation controlling our foreign policy. We WANT a &quot;real&quot; American!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penn calling Obama &#8220;not a real American&#8221; is more than slightly humorous.<br />
Penn is a dual-citizenship, AIPAC, Zionist flunky like the Clintons and the Bushes. &#8220;Real&#8221; Americans have had enough  of a foreign nation controlling our foreign policy. We WANT a &#8220;real&#8221; American!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m skeptical that the words of Mark Penn will actually influence voters that much in the end.

it is certainly true that Obama&#039;s bio is not a paint-by-the-numbers portrayal of Joe Bag-of-Donuts. But pointing this out can only have power in the absence of folks taking their own measure of the guy. That means that Obama can still fill in the blanks by telling his own story and giving off a vibe that makes him feel like someone who has shared the IMPORTANT common American experiences and thus understands what people want from their next President.

The Clinton campaign was a train wreck. They should have won easy. Penn is one guy who is being cast as deserving of much of the blame for that. So everything he is doing now should be understood in the context of someone who wants to distract attention from his own failures until interest in the primary campaign has blown over.  Thus, any attention given to Obama&#039;s perceived inadequacies is time not spent dissecting how Hillary Clinton&#039;s team pissed away a nomination that was theirs for the taking.

The irony here is that if Obama is so unattractive a candidate, this begs ever more the question of how Penn and the rest of the Clinton team dropped the ball. The obvious answer is that perhaps Penn doesn&#039;t understand America nearly as well as he thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m skeptical that the words of Mark Penn will actually influence voters that much in the end.</p>
<p>it is certainly true that Obama&#8217;s bio is not a paint-by-the-numbers portrayal of Joe Bag-of-Donuts. But pointing this out can only have power in the absence of folks taking their own measure of the guy. That means that Obama can still fill in the blanks by telling his own story and giving off a vibe that makes him feel like someone who has shared the IMPORTANT common American experiences and thus understands what people want from their next President.</p>
<p>The Clinton campaign was a train wreck. They should have won easy. Penn is one guy who is being cast as deserving of much of the blame for that. So everything he is doing now should be understood in the context of someone who wants to distract attention from his own failures until interest in the primary campaign has blown over.  Thus, any attention given to Obama&#8217;s perceived inadequacies is time not spent dissecting how Hillary Clinton&#8217;s team pissed away a nomination that was theirs for the taking.</p>
<p>The irony here is that if Obama is so unattractive a candidate, this begs ever more the question of how Penn and the rest of the Clinton team dropped the ball. The obvious answer is that perhaps Penn doesn&#8217;t understand America nearly as well as he thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do not run for office because they disagree. Hillary and Barack disagree on very little. They run because they believe they can make a difference (for good or for bad) to some segment of the people, and because they seek the power to do so.

Peter Pettigrew is and has always been a Death Eater. Oh, sorry. He is using the name Mark Penn right now. Slightly better shape than Scabbers the rat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People do not run for office because they disagree. Hillary and Barack disagree on very little. They run because they believe they can make a difference (for good or for bad) to some segment of the people, and because they seek the power to do so.</p>
<p>Peter Pettigrew is and has always been a Death Eater. Oh, sorry. He is using the name Mark Penn right now. Slightly better shape than Scabbers the rat.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Pennâ€™s antics are just good political theater...&quot;

Well sure they are, but so what?  Why is everyone so surprised that politics is political?  Republicans do the exact same thing: demonize one another for the nomination, followed by back-slaping once they&#039;re done spilling blood.

Tired of partisan politics?  Then it&#039;s time to get out of politics.  People don&#039;t run for office because they agree with everyone else.  They run because they disagree.

Truman was right: if you want a friend, get a dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Pennâ€™s antics are just good political theater&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well sure they are, but so what?  Why is everyone so surprised that politics is political?  Republicans do the exact same thing: demonize one another for the nomination, followed by back-slaping once they&#8217;re done spilling blood.</p>
<p>Tired of partisan politics?  Then it&#8217;s time to get out of politics.  People don&#8217;t run for office because they agree with everyone else.  They run because they disagree.</p>
<p>Truman was right: if you want a friend, get a dog.</p>
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