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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Official: Obama Chooses Biden</title>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-414055</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,

Perhaps what I should have made clear is that since I support neither Senator Obama nor Senator McCain, I am tending to look at this races more neutrally than I might otherwise. 

Notwithstanding the fact that it raises issues regarding his &quot;change&quot; message, Obama&#039;s pick of Biden was probably the smartest move he could make. There isn&#039;t another candidate out there that could have helped Obama more than Biden is likely to in the coming months. Those Republicans who are laughing him off are, in my opinion, either kidding themselves or seriously deluded about what they&#039;re facing this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>Perhaps what I should have made clear is that since I support neither Senator Obama nor Senator McCain, I am tending to look at this races more neutrally than I might otherwise. </p>
<p>Notwithstanding the fact that it raises issues regarding his &#8220;change&#8221; message, Obama&#8217;s pick of Biden was probably the smartest move he could make. There isn&#8217;t another candidate out there that could have helped Obama more than Biden is likely to in the coming months. Those Republicans who are laughing him off are, in my opinion, either kidding themselves or seriously deluded about what they&#8217;re facing this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-414046</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Doug is Doug, and the classic definition of &quot;concern troll&quot; has always been...

&lt;blockquote&gt;A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user&#039;s sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group&#039;s actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed &quot;concerns&quot;. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, I didn&#039;t even consider your newer definition of a &quot;Republican offering harmful advice&quot; because this post isn&#039;t offering any advice. Doug is providing commentary and criticism. Concern trolling would be Doug arguing Biden would be the best VP pick because he&#039;d be the best &quot;change&quot; pick...which is obviously 100% opposed to what Doug actually believes.

Still, you apparently believe Doug isn&#039;t an honest broker, and I doubt anything I could say is going to change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Doug is Doug, and the classic definition of &#8220;concern troll&#8221; has always been&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user&#8217;s sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group&#8217;s actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed &#8220;concerns&#8221;. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, I didn&#8217;t even consider your newer definition of a &#8220;Republican offering harmful advice&#8221; because this post isn&#8217;t offering any advice. Doug is providing commentary and criticism. Concern trolling would be Doug arguing Biden would be the best VP pick because he&#8217;d be the best &#8220;change&#8221; pick&#8230;which is obviously 100% opposed to what Doug actually believes.</p>
<p>Still, you apparently believe Doug isn&#8217;t an honest broker, and I doubt anything I could say is going to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-414025</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to bust your bubble Justin:


from wikipedia; Concern troll:
Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats

(of course it could be visa-versa)

And BTW I think you knew exactly what I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to bust your bubble Justin:</p>
<p>from wikipedia; Concern troll:<br />
Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats</p>
<p>(of course it could be visa-versa)</p>
<p>And BTW I think you knew exactly what I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in Denver</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413993</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob in Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a change candidate, Obama will need someone who can help him legislatively GTD in Washington. Of the names that kept popping up on the speculated shortlists, no one --- not Bayh, Sebelius, Kaine, nor even Clinton --- could do what Biden can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a change candidate, Obama will need someone who can help him legislatively GTD in Washington. Of the names that kept popping up on the speculated shortlists, no one &#8212; not Bayh, Sebelius, Kaine, nor even Clinton &#8212; could do what Biden can.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413963</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden was the best choice Obama could have made for his running mate. Not a great choice, mind you, simply the best option available - a moderate who can still hold the Dem base.

On the GOP side, since McCain is running as a moderate himself, he&#039;s likely looking for someone with conservative credentials who won&#039;t alienate moderates. That may be quite a bit harder to pull off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden was the best choice Obama could have made for his running mate. Not a great choice, mind you, simply the best option available &#8211; a moderate who can still hold the Dem base.</p>
<p>On the GOP side, since McCain is running as a moderate himself, he&#8217;s likely looking for someone with conservative credentials who won&#8217;t alienate moderates. That may be quite a bit harder to pull off.</p>
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		<title>By: Reaction to Obama/Biden VP Ticket &#171; Heroes for Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reaction to Obama/Biden VP Ticket &#171; Heroes for Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donklephant: â€œA safe choice. Even a smart choice. But picking someone whoâ€™s been part of Washington for more than three decades is hardly change we can believe in.â€ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Obama/Biden Round Up &#171; Count Us Out</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413949</link>
		<dc:creator>The Obama/Biden Round Up &#171; Count Us Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donklephant: â€œA safe choice. Even a smart choice. But picking someone whoâ€™s been part of Washington for more than three decades is hardly change we can believe in.â€ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: B. O. For Hope &#187; Itâ€™s Official: Obama Chooses Biden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413945</link>
		<dc:creator>B. O. For Hope &#187; Itâ€™s Official: Obama Chooses Biden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donklephant Â» Blog Archive Â» Itâ€™s Official: Obama Chooses Biden. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: underdogsog</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413944</link>
		<dc:creator>underdogsog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that Obama picked the right guy. Picking a too smooth politician to go with a too smooth politician would be a mistake. Obama is already vulnerable to attacks on his image as an experiential light weight that is all show. The Obama campaign has been getting beaten up in the media and has had no attack dog to bite back. Biden provides a resume and a straight talking bulldog who people will not only tolerate aggressive and blunt talk from, but will actually expect it. Like good couples opposites don&#039;t attract, but people who complement each other&#039;s skills do.
The electorate&#039;s tolerance, perhaps even craving for blunt, honest, authentic candidates is clear. McCainâ€™s nomination is a result of this and Obamaâ€™s selection of Biden shows he is listening.
~Underdog
http://underdogsog.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that Obama picked the right guy. Picking a too smooth politician to go with a too smooth politician would be a mistake. Obama is already vulnerable to attacks on his image as an experiential light weight that is all show. The Obama campaign has been getting beaten up in the media and has had no attack dog to bite back. Biden provides a resume and a straight talking bulldog who people will not only tolerate aggressive and blunt talk from, but will actually expect it. Like good couples opposites don&#8217;t attract, but people who complement each other&#8217;s skills do.<br />
The electorate&#8217;s tolerance, perhaps even craving for blunt, honest, authentic candidates is clear. McCainâ€™s nomination is a result of this and Obamaâ€™s selection of Biden shows he is listening.<br />
~Underdog<br />
<a href="http://underdogsog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://underdogsog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dollface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dollface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy about the Obama-Biden ticket.  I think Biden brings a lot to the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy about the Obama-Biden ticket.  I think Biden brings a lot to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Three Cheers for Obama-Biden! &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Three Cheers for Obama-Biden! &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donklephant blog post [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413941</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously Doug can defend himself. However...

@gerryf - This doesn&#039;t seem to me to be a &quot;I really wish he would have picked somebody else because THEN I would have voted for him&quot; post. He&#039;s merely stating some pretty straightforward observations about what a Biden pick brings to the campaign.

@Rob - Yeah, he&#039;s a troll alright. A troll who has been blogging for years under his real name. Have any other insights for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously Doug can defend himself. However&#8230;</p>
<p>@gerryf &#8211; This doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be a &#8220;I really wish he would have picked somebody else because THEN I would have voted for him&#8221; post. He&#8217;s merely stating some pretty straightforward observations about what a Biden pick brings to the campaign.</p>
<p>@Rob &#8211; Yeah, he&#8217;s a troll alright. A troll who has been blogging for years under his real name. Have any other insights for us?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP would have release the same kinds of ads no matter who Obama chose. And Biden does represent change from the last 8 years, doesn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP would have release the same kinds of ads no matter who Obama chose. And Biden does represent change from the last 8 years, doesn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: The Mayor</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413939</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To release the email notification at 4am after CNN is reporting it at midnight shows a real lack of drama.  I think this was the worst revelation of a VP pick in recent memory.  I do not see Democrats expressing real excitement.  The whole process was less than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To release the email notification at 4am after CNN is reporting it at midnight shows a real lack of drama.  I think this was the worst revelation of a VP pick in recent memory.  I do not see Democrats expressing real excitement.  The whole process was less than expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug := ConcernTroll;</description>
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		<title>By: gerryf</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413933</link>
		<dc:creator>gerryf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, in all honesty, would any VP candidate have excited you enough to jump on the Obama bandwagon? My sense is no, although I admit I have only been reading you a few days.

My sense is you are a right leaning centrist--that&#039;s OK, there&#039;s plenty of room for everyone in the Donklephant tent. I am a left leaning centrist (now), who actually voted for and volunteers for McCain in 2000 when he ran against Bush.

My point in my question is that this pick was intended to shore up the left side of the equation--people who were leaning to Obama, but were uncomfortable with his lack of foreign policy experience in a scary world. The Obama World Tour of a couple weeks ago was intended to do that, but the right successfully turned his broad worldwide appeal into a rock concert.

Joe Biden provides the gravitas to take the world wide appeal and give it some heft. He wasn&#039;t picked to change the votes of people on the right--he was picked to reassure the left and the independents who were already leaning Obama&#039;s way. It was a calculated, smart move--not an exciting move.

It was a good pick. 

You and many others may not have made your final choice in who you will vote for, but people who participate in blogs like this and who follow politics as we do are already leaning pretty heavily one way or another.

I was almost 100 percent certain to vote for Obama this time out, but Biden clinches it even though I have some misgivings about him still. 

It would take a shocking pick to get me to swing McCain&#039;s way--it probably isn&#039;t even possible at this point--the McCain I voted for in 2000 is not the McCain of today. 

VPs should not be game changers; they are game clinchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, in all honesty, would any VP candidate have excited you enough to jump on the Obama bandwagon? My sense is no, although I admit I have only been reading you a few days.</p>
<p>My sense is you are a right leaning centrist&#8211;that&#8217;s OK, there&#8217;s plenty of room for everyone in the Donklephant tent. I am a left leaning centrist (now), who actually voted for and volunteers for McCain in 2000 when he ran against Bush.</p>
<p>My point in my question is that this pick was intended to shore up the left side of the equation&#8211;people who were leaning to Obama, but were uncomfortable with his lack of foreign policy experience in a scary world. The Obama World Tour of a couple weeks ago was intended to do that, but the right successfully turned his broad worldwide appeal into a rock concert.</p>
<p>Joe Biden provides the gravitas to take the world wide appeal and give it some heft. He wasn&#8217;t picked to change the votes of people on the right&#8211;he was picked to reassure the left and the independents who were already leaning Obama&#8217;s way. It was a calculated, smart move&#8211;not an exciting move.</p>
<p>It was a good pick. </p>
<p>You and many others may not have made your final choice in who you will vote for, but people who participate in blogs like this and who follow politics as we do are already leaning pretty heavily one way or another.</p>
<p>I was almost 100 percent certain to vote for Obama this time out, but Biden clinches it even though I have some misgivings about him still. </p>
<p>It would take a shocking pick to get me to swing McCain&#8217;s way&#8211;it probably isn&#8217;t even possible at this point&#8211;the McCain I voted for in 2000 is not the McCain of today. </p>
<p>VPs should not be game changers; they are game clinchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanna K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susanna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remember how they all said back in 2000 that it didn&#039;t matter that Bush didn&#039;t have much experience because he had the very experienced Cheney to back him up. That asset became a liability pretty quickly. I can see the same thing happening here, should Obama get elected. He&#039;ll have to hamstring Biden to keep him from causing trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remember how they all said back in 2000 that it didn&#8217;t matter that Bush didn&#8217;t have much experience because he had the very experienced Cheney to back him up. That asset became a liability pretty quickly. I can see the same thing happening here, should Obama get elected. He&#8217;ll have to hamstring Biden to keep him from causing trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media Â» It&#8217;s Biden! The Fun Begins</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/08/23/its-official-obama-chooses-biden/comment-page-1/#comment-413929</link>
		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media Â» It&#8217;s Biden! The Fun Begins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donkelephant: &#8220;A safe choice. Even a smart choice. But picking someone whoâ€™s been part of Washington for more than three decades is hardly change we can believe in.&#8221; [...]</description>
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