Look, she can prove all this very simply, by offering proof. Then it goes away and the liberal media look like a bunch of asses.

My point was that people were suspicious because the alternative (putting her baby’s life at risk) SEEMED implausible.

i love the irony of people saying they “CHOSE” life.. because if it were up to them there would be no CHOICE involved..

and Bob Aman, everything is fair game in politics, if McCain supporters can call Obama a muslim with no facts at all to back it.. then Obama supporters can DEFINITELY call Sarah Palin a hypocrit for being such a right wing “pro-life” “pro-family values (HA! thats a good one..)” “pro-whatever else BS they can come up with to win votes” and having a daughter that got pregnant at such a young age

Having said all that, this does distract from the need to introduce the Governor’s policy credentials (something we’ve recently written about on furiousdivide.com) and I think this will prove a real test of the McCain campaigns’ ability to manage the message (particularly since the 24×7 cycle of a Convention got blown off course).

My understanding is that Andrew Sullivan did not support Bush over Kerry. Andrew Sullivan has been a big Obama supporter from the day he declared. He shows his support by continually attacking Obama’s opposition. He did that to Clinton, now he is doing it to McCain.

Whether he is a conservative, is debatable. He is certainly an independent. He has certainly been an Obama supporter all along.

Happy to help.

Does anyone consider Andrew Sullivan a “liberal blogger” that’s on our side? Is there any other “liberal blogger” that is promoting this story non-story other than Andrew Sullivan

Let’s assume that McCain did, as he now claims, know. OK. If he knew, is he so non-judgmental that he thought it would not become and issue at worse or a distraction at best? While I think–if everyone is being honest–that it is commendable that McCain didn’t care, that Palin supports her daughter and Bristol is keeping the baby, I find it stunning that anyone thought this would not be a circus. And saying that, why on earth would Sarah Palin put her family into this kind of limelight with this sort of thing sure to happen?

And that’s not all.

It now appears that McCain is sending a group up to Alaska to take a second look at the whole brouhaha over Palin’s supposed effort to get her ex-brother-in-law fired and the dismissal of the state’s top cop.

And while McCain is certainly not obligated to talk to anyone he doesn’t want to, how can it be they did not talk at all to the fired state police commissioner. And while there is word that she is cooperating fully with the state legislature investigating the claims, its now coming out she has lawyered up–I don’t blame her for that, but if the situation has risen from “questions” to lawyers, one has to wonder if she was a good choice right now.

And now various news sources are saying she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, a group that wants to at least discuss secession–a pretty radical idea for someone who wants to be leader of this nation.

And then there his her statement that she was against the bridge to nowhere just three days ago–now it appears she lied in her very first speech.

That’s an awful lot of crap in three days over a holiday weekend. Maybe you could argue that because there isn’t any other news, the press has had more time to dig here, but you could also argue that McCain was incredibly cavalier about this decision.

Love or hate Phalin, support or not, her selection is no longer a game changer, its a distraction and that reflects poorly on McCain’s decision to select her.

My prediction.

Before the GOP convention is over Phalin is going to announce that she will not subject her daughter to the scrutiny of the national media. The right will blast the liberal press and lefties. The Left will say McCain is a boob for picking her in the first place. McCain will pick Mike Huckabe as his new running mate.

McCain’s camp says he was aware of the pregnancy. I don’t know if you can prove that but I imagine Palin would have disclosed it since it’d be hard to hide for very long.

Surely if you tried harder you could be more insulting to everyone. Come on, I know you can do it. In other words, while I have problems with Palin, her qualifications and her ideology that post of yours really went over the line.

What does bother me is the (relative) lack of focus on what would seem to be an actually relevant point in all this. Did the McCain campaign vet Palin sufficiently to be aware of all this?

If not, that says something about the organization McCain is currently running. If so, one might wonder why they did not prepare for what, however regretably, are the totally expectable questions on the subject. Even if they assume (correctyl, from what little I have seen) that the Obama campaign would refrain from jumping all over the topic, they had to know that groups like Kos out there would get nasty almost instantly. A little contingency preparation would seem to be the least one might expect. But apparently they didn’t.

And that, I submit, is actually a proper and relevant political issue.

This doesn’t really bode anything for either side. No intelligent liberal is going to seriously attack Palin for this (though it will be the butt of a number of jokes). In fact, I’ve seen more conservatives complaining about “liberal persecution” – see berlet98’s post above – than liberals actually persecuting.

Yes, it is against the standard abstinence policies, and is a small embarrassment to Sarah Palin. But it’s nothing big, and certainly nothing that ought to significantly affect her candidacy.

By the way, berlet? That came off a bit shrill. I agree that people shouldn’t attack her, but at the same time, could you try to also be decent? Love your neighbor as yourself, remember.

Most people realized that Porter wasn’t singing about the birds and the bees or even about falling in love back in 1928 when he wrote, “Let’s Do It.” Back in his time, when a girl “did it” and got caught, she was usually hustled off to a distant relative or to a home for wayward girls.

Times have changed. And now that Republican VP candidate, Governor Sarah Palin’s family has revealed that seventeen year old Bristol Palin is five months pregnant, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/bristol_palin_is_pregnant.html, lowlife, hypocritical leftist bloggers, all virtuous Puritans, no doubt, are having a field day since she obviously “did it.”

The announcement was made to quash their earlier slander that Trig, the five month old Palins’ baby, was actually Bristol’s child which would make Sarah and Todd grandparents.

Then, when the leering lefties noticed what they described as Bristol’s baby bump, they shifted tactics and began saying she was (again?) with child so the Palins, to their credit, decided to clear the air.

Like scavengers falling on a decaying carcass, the licentious lefties, along with the supermarket tabloids, will now feast on this story and attempt to plague Bristol and her family with their cameras and microphones hoping to get some tidbits about how this could happen to such a morally upright, family values clan. I hope they try since it will provide the family’s Secret Service detail with some recreation when they bash heads.

The libs’ Bristol Stomp can and will backfire on them and, on the one hand, I hope they do treat her as they do poptart Jamie Lynn Spears. All their slime will return to them and coat them while redounding to Bristol’s and her parents’ credit.

On the other hand, I’d like to scream louder than that YouTube nut who was so distressed over the media’s incessant harassment of her sister Britney and wanted everyone to just “Leave her alone!”

In case you hadn’t noticed, we live in a sexually loose and permissive culture. A few generations ago, the word “pregnant” was verboten on the Big Screen, a bedroom love scene required that the male lover keep one foot on the floor, and even married Lucy and Desi slept in twin beds with a discreet three feet or so between them.

Now, Baby, virtually anything goes and I’m not sure I should even use “virtually” there. So, here we have pretty, pregnant Bristol Palin, born and raised in a God-fearing, conservative, Christian family which adheres to and preaches Christian values, with parents who oppose sex education in her schools, who surely inculcated in Bristol the importance of chastity and sexual abstinence. However, unfortunately, parental influence and teachings have defined limits and only a cloistered child who is locked in her room 24/7 will be free of contradictory influences.

Where did she go wrong and why did she sin? Here’s a clue: She’s a kid and, governor’s kid or not, she’s a dumb teenager who made a mistake. Dumbteenager should logically be one word since, no matter how book smart they are, by definition teens are dumb in the sense of being immature and impulsive, and, yes, they’re bubbling with hormones. Put those characteristics together and they make errors in their lives, sometimes serious errors the consequences of which change their lives forever.

If I were Bristol Palin’s parent, I’d be proud of her, not because she made a mistake but because she owned up to it. Nowadays, even in Alaska, Planned Parenthood or some other abortion provider would have enthusiatically “taken care of” her little problem and no one would have known about it.

Bristol not only owned up and will, hopefully, carry her baby to term but she plans to marry the father. That makes her different from millions of other young and older girls in America and far different from millions of others who bear children out of wedlock and whose boyfriends then dump them and are seen and heard from no more.

Of course, we will have to see how it all works out and whether Bristol’s boyfriend is as honorable as she but for now, let’s just remember some words to live by: Whoever is without sin, such as liberal bloggers, pick up a blogstone and hurl it at her as Musims still do with real stones. If you happen to be a human being and have your own baggage stuffed with sins, then just wish her the best.

I also wish Governor Palin a great tenure as Vice President of the United States.

“… she cannot control the impulses of her sluttish daughter?”- flam

Tried to ignore it, but cannot let this one slip through. So flam – do you have the same opinion of Barack’s mother?

Time:

“On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama’s parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward… Even by the standards of 1961, she was young to be married. At 18, she dropped out of college after one semester, according to University of Hawaii records. When her friends back in Washington heard the news, “we were very shocked,” says Box, her high school friend. “

As to which side’s reaction is more bothersome, they’re both distasteful. There’s a lot of people on both sides so desperate to find any edge that they’ll eagerly turn a private family matter (that they know almost nothing about) into a political weapon.