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	<title>Comments on: USA/Gallup: McCain Up By 4, 10</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415728</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know that whole “change” message?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are right Justin, and that is pretty much were it has stopped.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;You know that whole “change” message? The one that Hillary eventually used and McCain has now claimed as his own? Do you remember who came up with that and ran on it from the very beginning?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True enough, but I believe that Obama stole it from the the Byrd's 1965 albumn, "Turn, Turn, Turn,".  And in fact, the Byrd's stole the "theme" from Pete Seger, who wrote the "theme" in the 1950's, and who stole the "theme" from the Bible (Ecclesiastes 3, 1-8).  It is important to note that the "theme" was handwritten and donated to New York University by the Communist Party USA in March 2007.

So there you have it.  Obama not only stole his "theme", but he is a communist to boot.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!_(to_Everything_There_Is_a_Season)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know that whole “change” message?</p></blockquote>
<p>You are right Justin, and that is pretty much were it has stopped.  </p>
<blockquote><p>You know that whole “change” message? The one that Hillary eventually used and McCain has now claimed as his own? Do you remember who came up with that and ran on it from the very beginning?</p></blockquote>
<p>True enough, but I believe that Obama stole it from the the Byrd&#8217;s 1965 albumn, &#8220;Turn, Turn, Turn,&#8221;.  And in fact, the Byrd&#8217;s stole the &#8220;theme&#8221; from Pete Seger, who wrote the &#8220;theme&#8221; in the 1950&#8217;s, and who stole the &#8220;theme&#8221; from the Bible (Ecclesiastes 3, 1-8).  It is important to note that the &#8220;theme&#8221; was handwritten and donated to New York University by the Communist Party USA in March 2007.</p>
<p>So there you have it.  Obama not only stole his &#8220;theme&#8221;, but he is a communist to boot.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn</a>!_Turn!_Turn!_(to_Everything_There_Is_a_Season)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415721</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The O campaign never developed any theme better than hatred of Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Umm...

You know that whole "change" message? The one that Hillary eventually used and McCain has now claimed as his own? Do you remember who came up with that and ran on it from the very beginning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The O campaign never developed any theme better than hatred of Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>Umm&#8230;</p>
<p>You know that whole &#8220;change&#8221; message? The one that Hillary eventually used and McCain has now claimed as his own? Do you remember who came up with that and ran on it from the very beginning?</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415718</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The likely voter models are an interesting wrinkle. Does anyone know whether these are constantly tweaked?

Presumably the people who showed up for this year's primaries  have given pollsters some idea of who is and is not a likely voter for 2008. If pollsters want to be accurate, it seems to me they ought to be trying to forecast who they think is actually going to show up in 2 months.

That makes the answer to the question above pretty relevant. Because how one views these results really must depend on the extent to which pollsters are currently accounting for higher registration and turnout numbers among democrats during this particular election cycle.

It's not in pollsters' interests to appear incompetent by reporting inaccurate numbers using a historical model, and then later telling folks that they were way off because they failed to account for who actually showed up. It's a recipe for disater to constantly do it wrong and then later say say here's why. What you want to do to keep customers coming back is get it right.

So my guess is that the current "likely voter" models really should already be incorporating what the numbers so far have suggested about who's going to show up.

 But on the other hand, the gap you're highlighting here could be accounted for by a failure to update the likely voter model for current trends. Maybe that's why they report both. Maybe they include an advisory about what they think the gap represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The likely voter models are an interesting wrinkle. Does anyone know whether these are constantly tweaked?</p>
<p>Presumably the people who showed up for this year&#8217;s primaries  have given pollsters some idea of who is and is not a likely voter for 2008. If pollsters want to be accurate, it seems to me they ought to be trying to forecast who they think is actually going to show up in 2 months.</p>
<p>That makes the answer to the question above pretty relevant. Because how one views these results really must depend on the extent to which pollsters are currently accounting for higher registration and turnout numbers among democrats during this particular election cycle.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not in pollsters&#8217; interests to appear incompetent by reporting inaccurate numbers using a historical model, and then later telling folks that they were way off because they failed to account for who actually showed up. It&#8217;s a recipe for disater to constantly do it wrong and then later say say here&#8217;s why. What you want to do to keep customers coming back is get it right.</p>
<p>So my guess is that the current &#8220;likely voter&#8221; models really should already be incorporating what the numbers so far have suggested about who&#8217;s going to show up.</p>
<p> But on the other hand, the gap you&#8217;re highlighting here could be accounted for by a failure to update the likely voter model for current trends. Maybe that&#8217;s why they report both. Maybe they include an advisory about what they think the gap represents.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415711</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Palin is a great counterpoint to McCain and time will tell if much more, it really seems the tepid Oboma campaign is the greatest contributor to the switch.   It is his to lose, and he is losing it.  The O campaign never developed any theme better than hatred of Bush, and O does not debate or interview well.  His latest gaffe claiming" my muslim faith" and the need for the mainstream press to politely correct him so he could correct himself and the mainstream press' claim it was out of context (not, as one can listen to the whole thing and appreciate even more the conspiracy of the press to keep putting lipstick on this pig) leaves a lot of people thinking maybe the O is an empty suit.  How does it go, you can fool all the people some of the time....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Palin is a great counterpoint to McCain and time will tell if much more, it really seems the tepid Oboma campaign is the greatest contributor to the switch.   It is his to lose, and he is losing it.  The O campaign never developed any theme better than hatred of Bush, and O does not debate or interview well.  His latest gaffe claiming&#8221; my muslim faith&#8221; and the need for the mainstream press to politely correct him so he could correct himself and the mainstream press&#8217; claim it was out of context (not, as one can listen to the whole thing and appreciate even more the conspiracy of the press to keep putting lipstick on this pig) leaves a lot of people thinking maybe the O is an empty suit.  How does it go, you can fool all the people some of the time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one election cycle that I don't know if I'd trust the "likely voters" numbers to be as trustworthy this election cycle. The Obama ground game seems to be much more effective than previous attempts that tried to mobilize non-traditional voters. If in fact the youth vote, Hispanics and blacks do show up in significantly greater numbers than previously normal things could be thrown for a loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one election cycle that I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d trust the &#8220;likely voters&#8221; numbers to be as trustworthy this election cycle. The Obama ground game seems to be much more effective than previous attempts that tried to mobilize non-traditional voters. If in fact the youth vote, Hispanics and blacks do show up in significantly greater numbers than previously normal things could be thrown for a loop.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rasmussen: McCain Up By 1, 1</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415704</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rasmussen: McCain Up By 1, 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#171; USA/Gallup: McCain Up By 4, 10 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Avinash_Tyagi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415703</link>
		<dc:creator>Avinash_Tyagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain's enjoying a bounce at the moment, however I wouldn't worry too much about the Gallup USA today poll, it always seems to be an outlier, even the Gallup daily tracker and the Rasmuseen tracker don't agree with it most of the time, still it will be interesting to see if this is a momentary thing or if it lasts more than a week</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain&#8217;s enjoying a bounce at the moment, however I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about the Gallup USA today poll, it always seems to be an outlier, even the Gallup daily tracker and the Rasmuseen tracker don&#8217;t agree with it most of the time, still it will be interesting to see if this is a momentary thing or if it lasts more than a week</p>
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		<title>By: Sam.</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/09/08/usagallup-mccain-up-by-4-10/comment-page-1/#comment-415702</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn't Obama have a similar lead at this stage after the Democrat convention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Obama have a similar lead at this stage after the Democrat convention?</p>
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