“As far as blaming Dems for high oil, Dems took control in 2006.”
But they’ve obstructing development since the Carter administration.

“Even had off-shore drilling begun immediately we would not see the benefits for another 5 or 6 years – that is 7 to 8 years total (at least).”
What a GREAT excuse to keep on doing NOTHING! “I won’t see an instantaneous benefit at the pump, so why do anything?”

“Also, Dems are not blocking nuclear power plants…”
Democrats have been beholden to the seirra club and every other enviro-group for decades, demonizing one of the safest, cleanest, efficient and carbon-free power sources since 1978, and you know it. This, despite demanding that we somehow magically achieve “energy independence”.

Sorry folks. Wind mills and solar panel are not the panacea. Build as many as you like, but they will never get us more than 5-10% of our energy. The only reasonable, plausible answer is nuclear power.

And thank God the left is finally waking up to reality.

MW is definitely right of center and has said so, but both the left and right have encouraged partisanship with their inability to debate issues and constant efforts to drive a wedge between the two sides has resulted in people taking positions–even extreme ones.

Donklephant has been a place in the past where people meeting in the middle, but the closer this election comes the wider the chasm between the sides grows.

I have always enjoyed the comments from the folks on the right until very recently–I might disagree with them, but I thought they brought something to the table to consider. In recent weeks, I have to admit, I cannot honestly believe some of the things coming from people.

I have become so cynical that I thing some people are making arguments just to be contrary and they really cannot believe the BS they are pushing–and I am pretty certain people feel the same way about what I write.

I admit that I am a left leaner, but I was not fully commited to Obama a month ago–I actually could have voted for McCain then depending on how things turned. It wasn’t likely, but I can honestly say it was possible. Heck, I voted for him in 2000.

Something in the past fews weeks has thrown me violently to the left–so much so I find it hard to recognize myself these days.

I heard Rush Limbaugh say today that people who are independents are too cowardly to take a side. I heard that and actually wondered for a bit.

Screw Limbaugh.

It’s that kind of attitude that has infected politics. And to think that both these candidates actually came to prominence in the primaries because we thought they would promote reaching across the aisle, but the process is so poisoned now it may not be possible.

You might as well give up reasoning with mw. He’s in love. Deeply, madly in love with McCain, Palin and the RNC. He’s bought completely into whatever they say right now and it’s going to stay that way at least through November. At least that is certainly what his posts over the last month or so have shown again and again. People that deeply in love just can’t see anything wrong with the object of their affection.

Also, the unemployment rate isn’t as telling about the state of the economy as real median income, which after an initial drop did not go up, but remained stagnant. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/ Just take a look at the past few administrations to see how poor a performance this is. You can also look at the U6, a rate of un- and under-employment in the US, and will see that it is not in fact at historic lows, but in an even worse position than after the 2001 recession.

As far as blaming Dems for high oil, Dems took control in 2006. Even had off-shore drilling begun immediately we would not see the benefits for another 5 or 6 years – that is 7 to 8 years total (at least). Also, Dems are not blocking nuclear power plants, there are currently applications filed and construction under way of some new plants.

I should be president.

The idea of synchronicity is that the conceptual relationship of minds, defined as the relationship between ideas, is intricately structured in its own logical way and gives rise to relationships which are not causal in nature. Instead, causal relationships are understood as simultaneous — that is, the cause and effect occur at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

We could here have ANOTHER case of political synchronicity, but this time with lipstick. Or, as mw suggested, Obama was of such subtle wit that he consciously identified the synchronicity (which in fact implies its plausible deniability of its real meaning) and swung for the fence not fully playing out its implications. I’m thinking I probably agree with mw on this one.

…you see this is what I’m talking about…one of the captcha work is “mastick” — how f&^*ing close is that to “lipstick”…

Jimmy’s a good man. Plagerism is the sincerest form of flattery, isn’t it, Jimmy?

False. They’re both still at historic lows.

“home values are deflating”

Home values have always been cyclical.

“some of our finest financial institutions are ready to collapse”

Not George Bush’s fault. Thanks for playin’, though.

“the budget defecit is at an all time high

OK, I grant you that one.

“home foreclosures are by far the highest they’ve ever been”

Again, not George Bush’s fault.

“oil costs over $100 a barrel”

This one belongs to the Dems, who wwon’t let anyone drill anywhere, can’t build a new refinery, can’t build a nuclear power plant, etc. That one’s definitely NOT George Bush’s fault.

“and we have an eldrly clown running for president who wants to talk about lipstick on a pig, which is exactly what he’s offering”.”

Meh. So don’t vote for him. What do I care?

It’s bad enough you regurgitate the McCain tripe, but now you’re quoting fellow bloggers? At least Jimmy comes up with his own material.

MW,

I will take you at your word, but I had completely forgotten about Palin’s statement. It never even occured to me when Obama said it that he was even remotely talking about Palin until people started making something of it the next day…Indeed, I completely forgot the said it.

I am pretty stunned you were able to make the connection immediately, and would be pretty stunned if the room respond laughing at it made the same connection immediately.

Listening still, in context, I still cannot see anyone seriously thinking this without the hubub that has been stirred since then.

Think about it–has Obama previously demonstrated subtlety like this? I’m sure somene can come up with something, but for the most part his speeches have been very clear in his meaning…that’s not to say he is not capable of it, just that it runs contrary to experience. Also, it seemed to be a more extemporaneous moment of the speech–an area that is not his strong suit.

Overall, though, he has been very careful to not fall into the Kerry trap of avoiding ambiguity. Now, that’s not to say that he cannot be subtle–a man of his oratory skills can pull off what he wants, but it just doesn’t fit right with what we have seen.

Anyway, I think you’ve made some good points on this issue, some I might not have considered so thanks for that. Ultimately, this comes down to interpretation since none of us can crawl inside their his head at the moment he was speaking.

No, I think he meant to to say “after 7 years we have the highest unemployment rate and inflation rate in a couple decades, home values are deflating, some of our finest financial institutions are ready to collapse, the budget defecit is at an all time high, home foreclosures are by far the highest they’ve ever been, oil costs over $100 a barrel and we have an elderly clown running for president who wants to talk about lipstick on a pig, which is exactly what he’s offering”.

You can take that, too.

“First off, you have NO idea what the people in that room were thinking… If you watch the video tape it is absolutely, 100% clear that he’s talking about McCain’s policies when compared to Bush’s….So please, spare me the mind reading and stick to the facts….”

Third off. If I have NO idea what the people in that room were thinking, then neither do you. I did watch the video tape and it is absolutely 100% clear to me that the people in the room thought Obama ws playing off Palin’s convention speech and taking a shot at both Palin and McCain. So with all due respect, I find the “facts” derived from your mind reading skills to be no more credible than mine,

McCain/Palin is clearly not up to the task.”

gerryf: more Donkle than Donklephant.

Hey, it’s POLITICS, ya’ whiny little girl. Here’s a news flash for you: McCain wants to win. Get over it.

@patrikios “I am sure that some attacks were prevented, but I credit the men and women at the tip of the spear (LE, military, and intel agency personnel) rather than George Bush and Dick Cheney, let alone the Republican Party.”

No kidding?!? And how exactly would that be different under Obama? Is he PERSONALLY going to go out and risk his neck?

Bottom line is, whether you hate him or not, the Bush administration has not allowed another terror attack on our country. That may not be ultimate success, but it sure as heck ain’t failure.

Alas, I think you are more Donkle than Donklephant, you have drunk the Kool-Aid of Obama’s chalice of “hope,” as if that is an actual policy initiative, and much like Andrew Sullivan (who once referred to himself as a member of the “McCain-Lieberman party”) you are turning into hyperpartisan supporter of Obama, and Anti-McCain at all costs.

McCain/Palin is clearly not up to the task.

After all – those words came out of his mouth, and the people laughing in the room knew he was talking about Palin and McCain. As I showed in my post on the topic, many liberal democratic feminist women consider his comments sexist and knew he was talking about Palin.

First off, you have NO idea what the people in that room were thinking. In fact, since that idiom is so commonly used, do you think they may have been responding to Obama’s use of it in the exact context he used it in? It’s not like it’s an unfunny line. So please, spare me the mind reading and stick to the facts.

Second, I don’t care what liberal democratic feminist women bloggers think about the comment. If you watch the video tape it is absolutely, 100% clear that he’s talking about McCain’s policies when compared to Bush’s. Reactionaries can think whatever they want. It doesn’t make it true.

And mw, let’s not be naive. The McCain camp pushed this, the media bought in and then Obama HAD to respond to a ridiculous charge. And if you’ll watch the entire clip of the Letterman show, he actually talked about the policy differences between the two. Sure, he had to respond to it, but he moved past it.

@Jimmy, no, this wasn’t just an “over the top” campaign ad. It was an absolute lie. You’re telling me, as an intellectually honest person, that you don’t care that the lipstick ad took TWO pieces of video out of context to try and gin up a controversy that simply wasn’t there? Really? I know we have vast policy differences, but on at least this I thought we could agree that McCain was way out of bounds.

@Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg – If it’s not obvious to you that pointing out the hypocrisy of what McCain did is a perfect EXAMPLE of why a blog like this needs to exist, then you just don’t understand Donklephant. So either join the conversation in earnest or go away.