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		<title>By: jummy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obama is friends with terrorists. his carreer in electoral politics was launched from the home of a terrorist, with whom he conducted a political collaboration on at least two seperate projects. 

when confronted with this fact, he lies, saying that ayes was just some guy in the neighborhood. then he attempts to erase the grave lack of judgement involved in collaborating with him as an adult with the trivia that he was only eight years old when ayers was committing his acts of treason. that&#039;s as if to say that a serious person is not required to consider the meaning of events which occurred just prior to their own puberty. 

if the noting of all of this seems harsh and disturbing and grates on your sensibilities, it&#039;s because it&#039;s been heretofor unthinkable that a man with such decrepit and corrupt asssociates would be allowed by his party to even seek the nomination. 

it&#039;s not mccain&#039;s or palin&#039;s or even bill o&#039;reilly&#039;s fault. 

i&#039;d like you for a moment to consider a hypothetical situation in which palin had been connected to eric rudolph. let&#039;s say eric rudolph was praised by a pro-life group which had also praised eric rudolph for his wave of abortion clinic bombings (or &quot;radicalisms&quot; or &quot;activisms&quot; per whatever euphamism being granted to ayers today.). just imagine how readily the people wringing their hands today would go &quot;low&quot;. 

as it is, after claiming that palin&#039;s youngest child is actually her daughter&#039;s by way of incest, publishing fake book-banning lists in an effort to smear her, etc., the mainstream media, obama himself and his supporters have found that there is in fact sufficient requisit for &quot;guilt by association&quot; attacks: angry utterances overheard at palin rallies are now taken to be first-order, prima facie evidence of palin&#039;s racism. 

imagine the case which could be made by team obama if palin had actually entered into a decade-long political collaboration with 1988 democrat presidential candidate, david duke. or would that, per the phony outrage being spoken here and elsewhere, be seen as going too far and too low? 

the thing about those angry utterances - or really two things:

1) they&#039;re largely apocryphal. 

a clearly confused woman at a mccain rally called obama an arab. it is only in anna marie cox&#039;s transcript of the event at her time blog that the word &quot;terrorist&quot; is appended.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/no-no-maam-hes-decent-family-man-with.html

a reporter claims to have heard a palin supporter shout &quot;kill him&quot; as palin spoke of the ayers-obama connection. not only does the original reporter remember the utterance as being directed toward ayers, who was a terrorist who killed people himself,....

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1008/_Milbank_Secret_Service_hasnt_called.html

...but secret service has been unable to confirm that any such utterance occurred.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html


2) obama supporters have said and done similar, and yet worse. 

for instance, the obama supporter who said of palin, &quot;Let&#039;s stone her, old school.&quot;

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081012_Palin_hears_plenty_of_boos.html

the male obama supporter who marched up to a 98 pound woman at a mccain rally, tore the sign from her hands and beat her with the stick.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/

the luridly illustrated reference to sarah palin as a &quot;Mom I&#039;d Like to Punch&quot;.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SPIo-JCohJI/AAAAAAAAWWQ/K_FRVCtu0YY/s1600-h/sarah+palin+art.jpg
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080903210107AAvsTUC

etc.

the few angry utterances at mccain palin rallies have been attributed undue signifigance partly though misrepresentation, but in larger part due to the refusal of media outlets to aknowlege the insane, violent rage of obama supporters. 

and, really, when was the last time you heard a citizen call an elected official a &quot;terrorist?&quot;

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=bush+terrorist

this is now something progressives suddenly have no taste for?

are progressives suddenly sensitive to rhetorical death threats after nursing seven years of lurid stroke fantacies about assasinating the president? 

http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=531

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obama is friends with terrorists. his carreer in electoral politics was launched from the home of a terrorist, with whom he conducted a political collaboration on at least two seperate projects. </p>
<p>when confronted with this fact, he lies, saying that ayes was just some guy in the neighborhood. then he attempts to erase the grave lack of judgement involved in collaborating with him as an adult with the trivia that he was only eight years old when ayers was committing his acts of treason. that&#8217;s as if to say that a serious person is not required to consider the meaning of events which occurred just prior to their own puberty. </p>
<p>if the noting of all of this seems harsh and disturbing and grates on your sensibilities, it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s been heretofor unthinkable that a man with such decrepit and corrupt asssociates would be allowed by his party to even seek the nomination. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s not mccain&#8217;s or palin&#8217;s or even bill o&#8217;reilly&#8217;s fault. </p>
<p>i&#8217;d like you for a moment to consider a hypothetical situation in which palin had been connected to eric rudolph. let&#8217;s say eric rudolph was praised by a pro-life group which had also praised eric rudolph for his wave of abortion clinic bombings (or &#8220;radicalisms&#8221; or &#8220;activisms&#8221; per whatever euphamism being granted to ayers today.). just imagine how readily the people wringing their hands today would go &#8220;low&#8221;. </p>
<p>as it is, after claiming that palin&#8217;s youngest child is actually her daughter&#8217;s by way of incest, publishing fake book-banning lists in an effort to smear her, etc., the mainstream media, obama himself and his supporters have found that there is in fact sufficient requisit for &#8220;guilt by association&#8221; attacks: angry utterances overheard at palin rallies are now taken to be first-order, prima facie evidence of palin&#8217;s racism. </p>
<p>imagine the case which could be made by team obama if palin had actually entered into a decade-long political collaboration with 1988 democrat presidential candidate, david duke. or would that, per the phony outrage being spoken here and elsewhere, be seen as going too far and too low? </p>
<p>the thing about those angry utterances &#8211; or really two things:</p>
<p>1) they&#8217;re largely apocryphal. </p>
<p>a clearly confused woman at a mccain rally called obama an arab. it is only in anna marie cox&#8217;s transcript of the event at her time blog that the word &#8220;terrorist&#8221; is appended.<br />
<a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/no-no-maam-hes-decent-family-man-with.html" rel="nofollow">http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/no-no-maam-hes-decent-family-man-with.html</a></p>
<p>a reporter claims to have heard a palin supporter shout &#8220;kill him&#8221; as palin spoke of the ayers-obama connection. not only does the original reporter remember the utterance as being directed toward ayers, who was a terrorist who killed people himself,&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1008/_Milbank_Secret_Service_hasnt_called.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1008/_Milbank_Secret_Service_hasnt_called.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;but secret service has been unable to confirm that any such utterance occurred.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html</a></p>
<p>2) obama supporters have said and done similar, and yet worse. </p>
<p>for instance, the obama supporter who said of palin, &#8220;Let&#8217;s stone her, old school.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081012_Palin_hears_plenty_of_boos.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081012_Palin_hears_plenty_of_boos.html</a></p>
<p>the male obama supporter who marched up to a 98 pound woman at a mccain rally, tore the sign from her hands and beat her with the stick.</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/</a></p>
<p>the luridly illustrated reference to sarah palin as a &#8220;Mom I&#8217;d Like to Punch&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SPIo-JCohJI/AAAAAAAAWWQ/K_FRVCtu0YY/s1600-h/sarah+palin+art.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SPIo-JCohJI/AAAAAAAAWWQ/K_FRVCtu0YY/s1600-h/sarah+palin+art.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080903210107AAvsTUC" rel="nofollow">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080903210107AAvsTUC</a></p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>the few angry utterances at mccain palin rallies have been attributed undue signifigance partly though misrepresentation, but in larger part due to the refusal of media outlets to aknowlege the insane, violent rage of obama supporters. </p>
<p>and, really, when was the last time you heard a citizen call an elected official a &#8220;terrorist?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=bush+terrorist" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=bush+terrorist</a></p>
<p>this is now something progressives suddenly have no taste for?</p>
<p>are progressives suddenly sensitive to rhetorical death threats after nursing seven years of lurid stroke fantacies about assasinating the president? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=531" rel="nofollow">http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=531</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/</a></p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Former National Review Editor Endorses Obama</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/10/chris-buckley-im-with-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-419597</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Former National Review Editor Endorses Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Buckley and now Wick [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; National Review: Ayers Wrote Obama&#8217;s Dreams from My Father</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/10/chris-buckley-im-with-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-419532</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; National Review: Ayers Wrote Obama&#8217;s Dreams from My Father</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wonder William F. Buckley&#8217;s son is backing Obama.   This entry was posted on Saturday, October 11th, 2008 and is filed under 2008 Election, Ayers, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is no libertarian nation and almost certainly never will be. How could it survive? I sincerely doubt that it would be capable of actually creating a national identity strong enough for the citizens to agree with each other enough to pull together in tough times. There is a psychological and emotional aspect to surviving as a nation that I doubt a libertarian government could provide. No matter how much they deny it the core of libertarianism appears to me to be me, me, me. It is individuality run rampant, an extremist ideology. Extremism has only two choices in the long run, turn to tyranny to enforce orthodoxy or be swamped by the majority that has no interest in taking things too far in any direction. Since tyranny would sort of defeat the point of libertarianism I think you can see why it remains a fringe element of American politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is no libertarian nation and almost certainly never will be. How could it survive? I sincerely doubt that it would be capable of actually creating a national identity strong enough for the citizens to agree with each other enough to pull together in tough times. There is a psychological and emotional aspect to surviving as a nation that I doubt a libertarian government could provide. No matter how much they deny it the core of libertarianism appears to me to be me, me, me. It is individuality run rampant, an extremist ideology. Extremism has only two choices in the long run, turn to tyranny to enforce orthodoxy or be swamped by the majority that has no interest in taking things too far in any direction. Since tyranny would sort of defeat the point of libertarianism I think you can see why it remains a fringe element of American politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to that point Jim, is there ANY viable government in the world that is libertarian? I honestly can&#039;t think of one. 

Sure, America tried it early on, but it morphed into conservatism and liberalism. 

I think there&#039;s a reason for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to that point Jim, is there ANY viable government in the world that is libertarian? I honestly can&#8217;t think of one. </p>
<p>Sure, America tried it early on, but it morphed into conservatism and liberalism. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a reason for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarianism is quite possibly the only political philosophy more delusional than Communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarianism is quite possibly the only political philosophy more delusional than Communism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most f your post, but I don&#039;t understand why you conclude you must then support Obama.  You say he will be a moderate leader, despite his history.  I don&#039;t see how you can say that, given he will likely have strong democratic majority in congress.  Over the past few days, I&#039;ve officially switched from leaning toward McCain to undecided between McCain and Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most f your post, but I don&#8217;t understand why you conclude you must then support Obama.  You say he will be a moderate leader, despite his history.  I don&#8217;t see how you can say that, given he will likely have strong democratic majority in congress.  Over the past few days, I&#8217;ve officially switched from leaning toward McCain to undecided between McCain and Barr.</p>
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		<title>By: DDogbreath</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDogbreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think both McCain and Obama are a bad choice for America. What ever happened to voting for the candidate that makes the most sense on the issues? Why has the media been stifling our other choices for president? LBT party on the ballots for 20 years and not ever mentioned by the press. The Green party and the Constitutional party never mentioned either. What ever happened to equal time for the candidates? I think this election is a farce, just like the Wall st. bail out. My vote goes to Bob Barr LBT, WAKE UP AMERICA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think both McCain and Obama are a bad choice for America. What ever happened to voting for the candidate that makes the most sense on the issues? Why has the media been stifling our other choices for president? LBT party on the ballots for 20 years and not ever mentioned by the press. The Green party and the Constitutional party never mentioned either. What ever happened to equal time for the candidates? I think this election is a farce, just like the Wall st. bail out. My vote goes to Bob Barr LBT, WAKE UP AMERICA!</p>
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		<title>By: Tought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very very tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I think it is time people start thinking about the metagovernment instead.
http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Main_Page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very very tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I think it is time people start thinking about the metagovernment instead.<br />
<a href="http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Main_Page</a></p>
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