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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Surge. sigh. With few of the long-term gains of the strategy being realized (stalled security agreement, rumors of al-Maliki&#039;s administration getting comfy with Iran, reports from our generals that sectarian violence is in the offing) this is now officially a political football. Mission Accomplished: The Sequel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Surge. sigh. With few of the long-term gains of the strategy being realized (stalled security agreement, rumors of al-Maliki&#8217;s administration getting comfy with Iran, reports from our generals that sectarian violence is in the offing) this is now officially a political football. Mission Accomplished: The Sequel.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan great post and I think you sum up what many of us feel.  And Jimmy, your name just makes me think &quot;Jimmy the Dummy&quot;, I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s intentional, but your posts back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan great post and I think you sum up what many of us feel.  And Jimmy, your name just makes me think &#8220;Jimmy the Dummy&#8221;, I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s intentional, but your posts back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let me go to your list:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonâ€™t vote for Obama because 
1.of his socialist tax policy, 
2. his ardently pro-abortion agenda (including federalizing abortion laws),
3. his promise to put judges on the bench that â€œstand upâ€ for social causes, 
4. his desire to dramatically cut the military in a time of war, 
5. his poor judgment in opposing the Iraq surge, 
6. his willingness to entertain hostile dictators without preconditions, 
7. his complete misunderstanding of the nature of Islamic terrorism, 
8. and his general class-warfare populist boilerplate I just canâ€™t stand.
&lt;blockquote&gt;

1. I am untroubled by raising taxes a bit on on the highest earners. And I have never been very pro-capital gains tax reductions. One thing that does bother me though is anything that is giving money &quot;back&quot; above and beyond taxes that were paid. that&#039;s not a tax return. It&#039;s a subsidy.

2. Obama&#039;s position on abortion doesn&#039;t trouble me. I view abortion as regrettable but tolerable, and preferable to alternative, mandatory carrying of all pregnancies to term.

3. I&#039;m a bit of mixed minds there. I&#039;d hate to see RvW overturned, but Kelo was both a disappointing decision and a disturbing bellwether. In general, I do prefer judges to use the existing law for the basis of their decisions instead of making stuff up. With exceptions.

4 and 5. Obama&#039;s poor judgement in opposing the surge must be counterbalanced against his good judgement in thinking we should have avoided getting involved in the first place. I don&#039;t mind cutting the military budget sooner or later, and I don&#039;t expect Obama will do it while we&#039;re substantially entangled. In general, I am tired of spending our tax money protecting other nations.

6. I think the preconditions argument is comical hair-splitting. Not talking to people doesn&#039;t solve anything. McCain himself has said that of course we continually have talks between lower level emmisaries, that this has always gone on. So I find this distinction moronic from the get-go. A PR issue. Who cares?

7.I have seen no evidence of this. If it&#039;s true, all he has to do is read The Sling and the Stone to get up to speed. He&#039;s a smart guy. He&#039;ll catch on. I&#039;m unconvinced McCain has stellar judgement on terrorism. If he supported the surge specifically due to his understanding of of 4th gen warfare, that&#039;s good on him. Do you know?IMO, tactical changes had as much to do with shifting the tide as adding troops did.

8. I&#039;ve never been at all convinced by the notion that the democrats practice class warfare but the GOP does not. I don&#039;t mind noticing that that some folks make 35k/year and others make 135k a year, and so on. Or noticing that due to this, various policies affect different folks differently. Essentially, we must acknowledge that the current state of our government already includes substantial forms of redistribution: tax policy; medicare; social security; welfare and disability payments, and so on. Therefore ANY policy change in ANY direction that changes the way things are currently distributed could be called class warfare. So this is another conservative rallying cry like &quot;preconditions:&quot; that I find comical. It has no meaning to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let me go to your list:</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonâ€™t vote for Obama because<br />
1.of his socialist tax policy,<br />
2. his ardently pro-abortion agenda (including federalizing abortion laws),<br />
3. his promise to put judges on the bench that â€œstand upâ€ for social causes,<br />
4. his desire to dramatically cut the military in a time of war,<br />
5. his poor judgment in opposing the Iraq surge,<br />
6. his willingness to entertain hostile dictators without preconditions,<br />
7. his complete misunderstanding of the nature of Islamic terrorism,<br />
8. and his general class-warfare populist boilerplate I just canâ€™t stand.</p>
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<p>1. I am untroubled by raising taxes a bit on on the highest earners. And I have never been very pro-capital gains tax reductions. One thing that does bother me though is anything that is giving money &#8220;back&#8221; above and beyond taxes that were paid. that&#8217;s not a tax return. It&#8217;s a subsidy.</p>
<p>2. Obama&#8217;s position on abortion doesn&#8217;t trouble me. I view abortion as regrettable but tolerable, and preferable to alternative, mandatory carrying of all pregnancies to term.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;m a bit of mixed minds there. I&#8217;d hate to see RvW overturned, but Kelo was both a disappointing decision and a disturbing bellwether. In general, I do prefer judges to use the existing law for the basis of their decisions instead of making stuff up. With exceptions.</p>
<p>4 and 5. Obama&#8217;s poor judgement in opposing the surge must be counterbalanced against his good judgement in thinking we should have avoided getting involved in the first place. I don&#8217;t mind cutting the military budget sooner or later, and I don&#8217;t expect Obama will do it while we&#8217;re substantially entangled. In general, I am tired of spending our tax money protecting other nations.</p>
<p>6. I think the preconditions argument is comical hair-splitting. Not talking to people doesn&#8217;t solve anything. McCain himself has said that of course we continually have talks between lower level emmisaries, that this has always gone on. So I find this distinction moronic from the get-go. A PR issue. Who cares?</p>
<p>7.I have seen no evidence of this. If it&#8217;s true, all he has to do is read The Sling and the Stone to get up to speed. He&#8217;s a smart guy. He&#8217;ll catch on. I&#8217;m unconvinced McCain has stellar judgement on terrorism. If he supported the surge specifically due to his understanding of of 4th gen warfare, that&#8217;s good on him. Do you know?IMO, tactical changes had as much to do with shifting the tide as adding troops did.</p>
<p>8. I&#8217;ve never been at all convinced by the notion that the democrats practice class warfare but the GOP does not. I don&#8217;t mind noticing that that some folks make 35k/year and others make 135k a year, and so on. Or noticing that due to this, various policies affect different folks differently. Essentially, we must acknowledge that the current state of our government already includes substantial forms of redistribution: tax policy; medicare; social security; welfare and disability payments, and so on. Therefore ANY policy change in ANY direction that changes the way things are currently distributed could be called class warfare. So this is another conservative rallying cry like &#8220;preconditions:&#8221; that I find comical. It has no meaning to me.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that&#039;s my point Jimmy, you would never even consider a Democratic President.  You&#039;re too stuck in the talking points of the right, or at least too far right of center.  Look my point for disagreeing with McCain is that all through this campaign he was rhetoric and catch phrases.  Maverick, &quot;I know how to fix this country, this economy, this war&quot;, War Hero, SURGE....   Look, he disappointed me, Sits Down with Hostile Dictators.  And the further he felt that he was behind, the more he disappointed.  As much on approach as on where he stood.  Like it or not, there is little difference between his tax policy and Bush&#039;s, his approach to the war and Bush&#039;s.  Social issues like Abortion, I think he&#039;s sandbagging you. Supreme court judges, I think he could give a shit less, but would appoint judges to appease the base (also a reason I don&#039;t like him).  As far as the Dictator Meme, Bush refused for a long time, and eventually he caved a little and sent over Condi.  Maybe, just Maybe... Obama is right on this (again, you&#039;ll never be convinced), but Nixon met with China.

And Socialism?  We&#039;ve had a progressive tax system for the longest time.  Quit with that meme.  He&#039;s not talking about dramatic jumps, he&#039;s talking about returning the balance that was there before Bush&#039;s tax cuts, which did little to help the economy.  Of Course you could never be convinced of that either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s my point Jimmy, you would never even consider a Democratic President.  You&#8217;re too stuck in the talking points of the right, or at least too far right of center.  Look my point for disagreeing with McCain is that all through this campaign he was rhetoric and catch phrases.  Maverick, &#8220;I know how to fix this country, this economy, this war&#8221;, War Hero, SURGE&#8230;.   Look, he disappointed me, Sits Down with Hostile Dictators.  And the further he felt that he was behind, the more he disappointed.  As much on approach as on where he stood.  Like it or not, there is little difference between his tax policy and Bush&#8217;s, his approach to the war and Bush&#8217;s.  Social issues like Abortion, I think he&#8217;s sandbagging you. Supreme court judges, I think he could give a shit less, but would appoint judges to appease the base (also a reason I don&#8217;t like him).  As far as the Dictator Meme, Bush refused for a long time, and eventually he caved a little and sent over Condi.  Maybe, just Maybe&#8230; Obama is right on this (again, you&#8217;ll never be convinced), but Nixon met with China.</p>
<p>And Socialism?  We&#8217;ve had a progressive tax system for the longest time.  Quit with that meme.  He&#8217;s not talking about dramatic jumps, he&#8217;s talking about returning the balance that was there before Bush&#8217;s tax cuts, which did little to help the economy.  Of Course you could never be convinced of that either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/29/another-sucker-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-422099</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Kranky, but remember, you really only get 2 choices and you can either pick one or stay home/vote Nader.  

Do you want someone to represent your beliefs, values and ideas, or someone who represents transient positive emotions that you happen to be feeling on the day you pull the lever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Kranky, but remember, you really only get 2 choices and you can either pick one or stay home/vote Nader.  </p>
<p>Do you want someone to represent your beliefs, values and ideas, or someone who represents transient positive emotions that you happen to be feeling on the day you pull the lever?</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmi, Obama makes me feel like he&#039;s wise.  :-)

What about McCain? What if we use our heads there when we decide not to vote for McCain? He has done nothing to make me think he is especially wise OR has especially good policies, except for earmark reform. 

Everything about him transmits that he is lost when it comes to economics, a subject he has admitted he has lacked much interest in or acumen for. He shows little passion or conviction while mouthing predictable old GOP platitudes. How is he supposed to convince us when it feels like he&#039;s not really truly convinced himself, just repeating a script?

The only time McCain seems truly engaged and full of genuine conviction is when he&#039;s talking about foreign policy or earmarks. The rest of the time he feels like he&#039;s running auto-rhetoric 1.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmi, Obama makes me feel like he&#8217;s wise.  :-)</p>
<p>What about McCain? What if we use our heads there when we decide not to vote for McCain? He has done nothing to make me think he is especially wise OR has especially good policies, except for earmark reform. </p>
<p>Everything about him transmits that he is lost when it comes to economics, a subject he has admitted he has lacked much interest in or acumen for. He shows little passion or conviction while mouthing predictable old GOP platitudes. How is he supposed to convince us when it feels like he&#8217;s not really truly convinced himself, just repeating a script?</p>
<p>The only time McCain seems truly engaged and full of genuine conviction is when he&#8217;s talking about foreign policy or earmarks. The rest of the time he feels like he&#8217;s running auto-rhetoric 1.0.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This election will, no matter the outcome, be a referendum on the existing administration, the fears common to us all, and our addiction to entertainment (Hollywood-style performance).  

If we were to put aside these for a moment and evaluate the candidates based on where they have been and what they have disclosed as their beliefs and policies, I believe that our discussions would begin to reveal both our own ignorance (need for knowledge/understanding) and what our futures could potentially hold if either of these candidates &quot;take power&quot;.   I believe that we need change but am very, very concerned (based on what I&#039;ve researched on both sides) that the change experienced in the hands of a super-majority (Executive, Administrative, Judiciary) would result in a country less free &amp; less democratic.  

We are in for very hard times, harder than any of us can imagine, and neither of these candidates can even approach adequately addressing all the issues.  Obama simply has the ability to communicate in a way that make us &quot;feel&quot; he can do the job, but not the documented substance which speaks for and to the majority of Americans.  McCain, may have much of the substance needed, but (competitively speaking) seems to lack the same ability to communicate in a way which will adequately move us to make the tough choices ahead.  

The key question is whether Obama is morphing his public profile to get elected but carries confirmed personal objectives, which when later disclosed, will surprise &amp; betray the majority voters he has gained through his performances.

I wish there were a better candidate than either of these two.  Sad situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This election will, no matter the outcome, be a referendum on the existing administration, the fears common to us all, and our addiction to entertainment (Hollywood-style performance).  </p>
<p>If we were to put aside these for a moment and evaluate the candidates based on where they have been and what they have disclosed as their beliefs and policies, I believe that our discussions would begin to reveal both our own ignorance (need for knowledge/understanding) and what our futures could potentially hold if either of these candidates &#8220;take power&#8221;.   I believe that we need change but am very, very concerned (based on what I&#8217;ve researched on both sides) that the change experienced in the hands of a super-majority (Executive, Administrative, Judiciary) would result in a country less free &amp; less democratic.  </p>
<p>We are in for very hard times, harder than any of us can imagine, and neither of these candidates can even approach adequately addressing all the issues.  Obama simply has the ability to communicate in a way that make us &#8220;feel&#8221; he can do the job, but not the documented substance which speaks for and to the majority of Americans.  McCain, may have much of the substance needed, but (competitively speaking) seems to lack the same ability to communicate in a way which will adequately move us to make the tough choices ahead.  </p>
<p>The key question is whether Obama is morphing his public profile to get elected but carries confirmed personal objectives, which when later disclosed, will surprise &amp; betray the majority voters he has gained through his performances.</p>
<p>I wish there were a better candidate than either of these two.  Sad situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Aman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Aman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, fantastic post.  I&#039;m totally with you on this one.  I have big reservations about Obama, though they&#039;re probably not as strong as yours.  I also plan to vote almost straight Republican, but Obama for president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, fantastic post.  I&#8217;m totally with you on this one.  I have big reservations about Obama, though they&#8217;re probably not as strong as yours.  I also plan to vote almost straight Republican, but Obama for president.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I won&#039;t vote for Obama because of his socialist tax policy, his ardently pro-abortion agenda (including federalizing abortion laws), his promise to put judges on the bench that &quot;stand up&quot; for social causes, his desire to dramatically cut the military in a time of war, his poor judgment in opposing the Iraq surge,  his willingness to entertain hostile dictators without preconditions, his complete misunderstanding of the nature of Islamic terrorism, and his general class-warfare populist boilerplate I just can&#039;t stand.

Is that a political agenda, or the man and his party?  There are many people such as Kranky Kritter and ASC who probably would agree with my positions on the issues I&#039;ve just listed, but they vote for Obama because of his &quot;poise&quot; and &quot;inspirational qualities.&quot;  We are voting for the President of the United States, not a High School glee-club president.

McCain certainly isn&#039;t perfect, Palin just sucks (because she doesn&#039;t know anything), but I&#039;m not going to vote because of how charming the candidates are if I disagree with the content of what they stand for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t vote for Obama because of his socialist tax policy, his ardently pro-abortion agenda (including federalizing abortion laws), his promise to put judges on the bench that &#8220;stand up&#8221; for social causes, his desire to dramatically cut the military in a time of war, his poor judgment in opposing the Iraq surge,  his willingness to entertain hostile dictators without preconditions, his complete misunderstanding of the nature of Islamic terrorism, and his general class-warfare populist boilerplate I just can&#8217;t stand.</p>
<p>Is that a political agenda, or the man and his party?  There are many people such as Kranky Kritter and ASC who probably would agree with my positions on the issues I&#8217;ve just listed, but they vote for Obama because of his &#8220;poise&#8221; and &#8220;inspirational qualities.&#8221;  We are voting for the President of the United States, not a High School glee-club president.</p>
<p>McCain certainly isn&#8217;t perfect, Palin just sucks (because she doesn&#8217;t know anything), but I&#8217;m not going to vote because of how charming the candidates are if I disagree with the content of what they stand for.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy,

There is no way you would vote for him.  But I doubt it&#039;s as much about his political agenda, as much as it is for the man and his party.  Look, Palin is worse than OBama could ever be, and it is because of her that I would never vote McCain.  If he had picked a rational pick, instead of a pick that shored the party, and was intended to steal hillary voters based on vagina identity, I would have considered him.  Actually, I decided I&#039;d vote McCain over Clinton when the primaries were running, based on Clinton&#039;s method of campaigning, then it turns out he stole her play book, and he put a bad taste in my mouth as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy,</p>
<p>There is no way you would vote for him.  But I doubt it&#8217;s as much about his political agenda, as much as it is for the man and his party.  Look, Palin is worse than OBama could ever be, and it is because of her that I would never vote McCain.  If he had picked a rational pick, instead of a pick that shored the party, and was intended to steal hillary voters based on vagina identity, I would have considered him.  Actually, I decided I&#8217;d vote McCain over Clinton when the primaries were running, based on Clinton&#8217;s method of campaigning, then it turns out he stole her play book, and he put a bad taste in my mouth as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/29/another-sucker-for-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-422032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Being president isnâ€™t just about political ideology and legislative agendas. Itâ€™s about intangibles. Temperament. Leadership. Wisdom. Judgment. Sincerity. Potential for greatness.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is why Barack Obama will win the election this year.  People have decided to vote with their heart and not their brain. 

If the man had the right political ideas and legislative agenda, it means he &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; wise, sincere, has good judgement and would be great.  At least it should mean that.  This year, it doesn&#039;t.  Greatness, wisdom and judgement are now defined as how good one makes you feel about yourself when he speaks, or how well he manages his campaign.  

Is it better to have a charming president than a politically astute one?  Perhaps Barack Obama will be better at charming world leaders and our senate into adopting political ideas, better than McCain would have.  But what if it is a political agenda you disagree with? You still vote for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Being president isnâ€™t just about political ideology and legislative agendas. Itâ€™s about intangibles. Temperament. Leadership. Wisdom. Judgment. Sincerity. Potential for greatness.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is why Barack Obama will win the election this year.  People have decided to vote with their heart and not their brain. </p>
<p>If the man had the right political ideas and legislative agenda, it means he <em>is</em> wise, sincere, has good judgement and would be great.  At least it should mean that.  This year, it doesn&#8217;t.  Greatness, wisdom and judgement are now defined as how good one makes you feel about yourself when he speaks, or how well he manages his campaign.  </p>
<p>Is it better to have a charming president than a politically astute one?  Perhaps Barack Obama will be better at charming world leaders and our senate into adopting political ideas, better than McCain would have.  But what if it is a political agenda you disagree with? You still vote for him?</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Palin pick turned me against McCain as well, Alan, for precisely the same reasons.

I also admire Obama for his inspirational qualities and poise, and I also worry about what economic policies he will implement. I stand with you in supporting him today. 

&lt;b&gt;And I also stand with you &lt;i&gt;right by the door&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

 I&#039;ll give him a chance to show balance and bipartisanship and disappoint those who are most liberal and want to add expensive new entitlements under the presumption that we can get all the money needed for these programs from rich people and evil corporations. If he expects to keep my support by rubber stamping the approaches coming from the fevered minds of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, then I&#039;ll do my best to help those eager to make him a one-termer.

I still have some hope that Obama has the prescience to see how much support a President can get from the sensible middle by acting as a brake on the worst impulses on congress. He&#039;ll do better both for himself and for the people if he embraces that role in a serious (as opposed to token) way. If and when he does this, the right will certainly dismiss it as tokenism regardless of the nature of it. 

So moderates and independents need to be ready to take our own measure in such instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Palin pick turned me against McCain as well, Alan, for precisely the same reasons.</p>
<p>I also admire Obama for his inspirational qualities and poise, and I also worry about what economic policies he will implement. I stand with you in supporting him today. </p>
<p><b>And I also stand with you <i>right by the door</i><i>:</i></b></p>
<p> I&#8217;ll give him a chance to show balance and bipartisanship and disappoint those who are most liberal and want to add expensive new entitlements under the presumption that we can get all the money needed for these programs from rich people and evil corporations. If he expects to keep my support by rubber stamping the approaches coming from the fevered minds of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, then I&#8217;ll do my best to help those eager to make him a one-termer.</p>
<p>I still have some hope that Obama has the prescience to see how much support a President can get from the sensible middle by acting as a brake on the worst impulses on congress. He&#8217;ll do better both for himself and for the people if he embraces that role in a serious (as opposed to token) way. If and when he does this, the right will certainly dismiss it as tokenism regardless of the nature of it. </p>
<p>So moderates and independents need to be ready to take our own measure in such instances.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow as a Canadian hooked on the US election it is certainly breath-taking to see this post... you have explained your points with such clarity, if I could vote in the US election Obama would get my vote... and millions of other Canadians
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow as a Canadian hooked on the US election it is certainly breath-taking to see this post&#8230; you have explained your points with such clarity, if I could vote in the US election Obama would get my vote&#8230; and millions of other Canadians<br />
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		<title>By: Pete Abel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Abel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written, Alan.  Welcome to the &quot;OMG, what have we done?&quot; crowd.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written, Alan.  Welcome to the &#8220;OMG, what have we done?&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His party screwed him over back then and I so wish heâ€™d screwed them right back and had chosen a running mate that didnâ€™t appeal to the partyâ€™s worst characteristics â€“ anti-intellectualism and conservative Christian supremacy. But by choosing Sarah Palin, McCain revealed that he was willing to put the demands of his party over his own instincts and philosophies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I must disagree with you here. By chosing her, he &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; screw the people who screwed him in 2000 right back, and in the most poetic way: by giving them what they wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His party screwed him over back then and I so wish heâ€™d screwed them right back and had chosen a running mate that didnâ€™t appeal to the partyâ€™s worst characteristics â€“ anti-intellectualism and conservative Christian supremacy. But by choosing Sarah Palin, McCain revealed that he was willing to put the demands of his party over his own instincts and philosophies.</p></blockquote>
<p>I must disagree with you here. By chosing her, he <i>did</i> screw the people who screwed him in 2000 right back, and in the most poetic way: by giving them what they wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Lit3Bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lit3Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I voted for Obama as well in my non swing state of TN, but voted for some Republicans downticket as well (Not Lamar...idiot).

Voting for Obama accomplishes two things in my mind:

1) Wash the Augean stables clean after the corruption/ineptitude of Bush
2) Let Obama do what he does best, act as a symbol.

Obama is such a blank slate that many people unconsciously project whatever they want onto him...just listen to the multitude of presidential comparisons before he&#039;s even taken office (he&#039;s Lincoln!  No, FDR!  Wait, JFK!  But JFK got assassinated...Lincoln!  Oh shoot!  I mean, FDR!)

I hope that Obama keeps that quality as he takes office.  That symbolism gives the U.S. a huge advantage in renewing the faith it has lost and abused in the past 8 years.  Underneath, he&#039;s probably a typical Chicago pol, but hey, FDR tried to stack the Supreme Court.  But to prejudge Obama before he&#039;s even given the chance is a mistake.  He deserves 4 years.  After that, we&#039;ll see what his record is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I voted for Obama as well in my non swing state of TN, but voted for some Republicans downticket as well (Not Lamar&#8230;idiot).</p>
<p>Voting for Obama accomplishes two things in my mind:</p>
<p>1) Wash the Augean stables clean after the corruption/ineptitude of Bush<br />
2) Let Obama do what he does best, act as a symbol.</p>
<p>Obama is such a blank slate that many people unconsciously project whatever they want onto him&#8230;just listen to the multitude of presidential comparisons before he&#8217;s even taken office (he&#8217;s Lincoln!  No, FDR!  Wait, JFK!  But JFK got assassinated&#8230;Lincoln!  Oh shoot!  I mean, FDR!)</p>
<p>I hope that Obama keeps that quality as he takes office.  That symbolism gives the U.S. a huge advantage in renewing the faith it has lost and abused in the past 8 years.  Underneath, he&#8217;s probably a typical Chicago pol, but hey, FDR tried to stack the Supreme Court.  But to prejudge Obama before he&#8217;s even given the chance is a mistake.  He deserves 4 years.  After that, we&#8217;ll see what his record is.</p>
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		<title>By: Noc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While people may disagree on his policies, I think he exhibits essential characteristics for a president.
1. Ability to inspire people to help themselves
2. Thoughtfulness
3. Judgment

to me, #1 is an incredible asset. If a good coach that can get 10% more from your team, it can be transformational. Imagine what it can do for a nation, not just a team. 

I&#039;ve heard so many people say &quot;Watching obama speak makes me want to do something more with myself&quot;. Thats the mark of a good leader.

I&#039;m worried about some of his economic beliefs, but he has chosen a good group of economic advisers and I think he has enough judgment to listen to what they have to say and make thoughtful decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While people may disagree on his policies, I think he exhibits essential characteristics for a president.<br />
1. Ability to inspire people to help themselves<br />
2. Thoughtfulness<br />
3. Judgment</p>
<p>to me, #1 is an incredible asset. If a good coach that can get 10% more from your team, it can be transformational. Imagine what it can do for a nation, not just a team. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard so many people say &#8220;Watching obama speak makes me want to do something more with myself&#8221;. Thats the mark of a good leader.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m worried about some of his economic beliefs, but he has chosen a good group of economic advisers and I think he has enough judgment to listen to what they have to say and make thoughtful decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I&#039;ll just be glad when it&#039;s over. These commercials are driving me crazy. One minute one candidate is ripping on one, the next second there is another commercial with the other doing the same. Not just presidential it&#039;s the state races too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I&#8217;ll just be glad when it&#8217;s over. These commercials are driving me crazy. One minute one candidate is ripping on one, the next second there is another commercial with the other doing the same. Not just presidential it&#8217;s the state races too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see any logical differences between the Taliban and the team of Dole, Bachmann and Palin.  Un-American,  Bible thumping, and red-baiting.  What does that have to do with reality?  Bachmann, Dole and Palin are the dregs of political life.  
No solutions, just lies about decent opponents.  Bachmann is spectacular.
Opposed by a Methodist minister, she thought she had some free time, so she made the rounds of the pundits, spewing her venom, specifically saying that we had cause to pause, that we ought to question Obama. I know that was a talking point and she was doing her job since she had a safe district.  Now, after she attacked Congress and suggested that we should look into whether they are Un-American too,  she is lying, saying she was bamboozled into saying mean things about Congress. She is two-faced.
Vote DEM and end the Taliban in American politics.  VOTE No to using the BIble against decent people, like Dole who lies and says Hagan is a &#039;radical&#039;.
End the rule of the Taliban in America. Let them know it wont work off the Amish farms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see any logical differences between the Taliban and the team of Dole, Bachmann and Palin.  Un-American,  Bible thumping, and red-baiting.  What does that have to do with reality?  Bachmann, Dole and Palin are the dregs of political life.<br />
No solutions, just lies about decent opponents.  Bachmann is spectacular.<br />
Opposed by a Methodist minister, she thought she had some free time, so she made the rounds of the pundits, spewing her venom, specifically saying that we had cause to pause, that we ought to question Obama. I know that was a talking point and she was doing her job since she had a safe district.  Now, after she attacked Congress and suggested that we should look into whether they are Un-American too,  she is lying, saying she was bamboozled into saying mean things about Congress. She is two-faced.<br />
Vote DEM and end the Taliban in American politics.  VOTE No to using the BIble against decent people, like Dole who lies and says Hagan is a &#8216;radical&#8217;.<br />
End the rule of the Taliban in America. Let them know it wont work off the Amish farms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy from Oregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy from Oregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to see you have the objectivity to put your partisanship aside and vote for the man you feel is best suited for the job. 

I did the same but with a twist. I voted for Democrats across the board concerning our local elections (Portland, Oregon) but voted for Ralph Nader as my pick for president. 

While I have come to the conclusion that both parties are equally and hopelessly corrupt, I hold out the remote hope that the Democrats are just a little less so. I could not very well vote for either Obama or McCain as I believe they represent money and not people. And when I say people I mean ALL people, not just Americans, not just rich people, not just people that live in countries that kiss America&#039;s ass. 

I want justice. Obama is no more just than McCain as far as I can tell. I know for a fact that Nader will do what is right. Even though I know he has no chance of winning. But that&#039;s not the point. Voting for who is &quot;best&quot; for the job is. America has veered far off course. We are doing things that are, well, un-American. I don&#039;t believe Obama&#039;s &quot;Change&quot; or McCain&#039;s &quot;Peace with honor&quot; are going to restore the American pledge. Liberty and Justice for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see you have the objectivity to put your partisanship aside and vote for the man you feel is best suited for the job. </p>
<p>I did the same but with a twist. I voted for Democrats across the board concerning our local elections (Portland, Oregon) but voted for Ralph Nader as my pick for president. </p>
<p>While I have come to the conclusion that both parties are equally and hopelessly corrupt, I hold out the remote hope that the Democrats are just a little less so. I could not very well vote for either Obama or McCain as I believe they represent money and not people. And when I say people I mean ALL people, not just Americans, not just rich people, not just people that live in countries that kiss America&#8217;s ass. </p>
<p>I want justice. Obama is no more just than McCain as far as I can tell. I know for a fact that Nader will do what is right. Even though I know he has no chance of winning. But that&#8217;s not the point. Voting for who is &#8220;best&#8221; for the job is. America has veered far off course. We are doing things that are, well, un-American. I don&#8217;t believe Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Change&#8221; or McCain&#8217;s &#8220;Peace with honor&#8221; are going to restore the American pledge. Liberty and Justice for all.</p>
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