Comments on: Whatever Happened To The Loyal Opposition? http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:41:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: blackoutyears http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422911 blackoutyears Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:33:30 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422911 Rich, there's no doubt that there's plenty of wild-eyed, firebreathing on the Left, and if Obama wins they'll certainly be feeling their oats and making us all miserable. I think that saying that partisan attacks originated with Newt & Co. savaging Clinton in the 90s is also highly selective and basically pisses in the face of history and ample documentation that this is nothing new. On the other hand, to say that Obama and McCain are not objectively stronger candidates than Bush and imply that those of us who strongly suspected he was a dud should have been penning placatory pieces similar to this post is dubious on your part. I feel completely entitled to the opinion that whoever wins this election will make a good POTUS. I never felt that W would be a good one and I think he's borne that out. There's no comparison to '00 and '04 imo with the possible exception of a GOP vice-presidential nominee who was equally insulting in substance. And I don't expect grace, but the chafing among moderate conservatives (the less said about the nutcases the better) on teh internets over the last week has been unseemly. If you hitch your wagon to an ideology, at least show some equanimity when the tide turns. Rich, there’s no doubt that there’s plenty of wild-eyed, firebreathing on the Left, and if Obama wins they’ll certainly be feeling their oats and making us all miserable. I think that saying that partisan attacks originated with Newt & Co. savaging Clinton in the 90s is also highly selective and basically pisses in the face of history and ample documentation that this is nothing new.

On the other hand, to say that Obama and McCain are not objectively stronger candidates than Bush and imply that those of us who strongly suspected he was a dud should have been penning placatory pieces similar to this post is dubious on your part. I feel completely entitled to the opinion that whoever wins this election will make a good POTUS. I never felt that W would be a good one and I think he’s borne that out. There’s no comparison to ‘00 and ‘04 imo with the possible exception of a GOP vice-presidential nominee who was equally insulting in substance.

And I don’t expect grace, but the chafing among moderate conservatives (the less said about the nutcases the better) on teh internets over the last week has been unseemly. If you hitch your wagon to an ideology, at least show some equanimity when the tide turns.

]]> By: Rich Horton http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422855 Rich Horton Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:23:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422855 Funny how you didn't read a lot of these sorts of things after the 2000 and 2004 elections. It's like being lectured on animal welfare by Michael Vick. Funny how you didn’t read a lot of these sorts of things after the 2000 and 2004 elections.

It’s like being lectured on animal welfare by Michael Vick.

]]> By: blackoutyears http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422828 blackoutyears Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:22:34 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422828 Yeah, Jimmy you're off-base on this one. W presided over events that would have been divisive regardles of who was POTUS, but he also took a bad situation and made it horrendous by any objective standard. And I say this as someone who has never demonized him and who certainly doesn't hate him. To deny that he deserved the vast majority of the criticism he's received and to write it off to ideology is as good an example of the GOP disconnect as any I've seen this campaign. Yeah, Jimmy you’re off-base on this one. W presided over events that would have been divisive regardles of who was POTUS, but he also took a bad situation and made it horrendous by any objective standard. And I say this as someone who has never demonized him and who certainly doesn’t hate him. To deny that he deserved the vast majority of the criticism he’s received and to write it off to ideology is as good an example of the GOP disconnect as any I’ve seen this campaign.

]]> By: b4uno http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422820 b4uno Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:51:41 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422820 This radio show is about what is truly at stake in this election, and what we are TRULY voting for. This election can change the mindset of the entire country and could have an effect for years to come. Most people don't think of it in this way. It's very surprising. And either way you decide, you will at least be aware and understand the unspoken implications. If you like what you hear, please pass the link on to others who you may think might like it. http://tinyurl.com/5znubc This radio show is about what is truly at stake in this election, and what we are TRULY voting for. This election can change the mindset of the entire country and could have an effect for years to come. Most people don’t think of it in this way. It’s very surprising. And either way you decide, you will at least be aware and understand the unspoken implications. If you like what you hear, please pass the link on to others who you may think might like it.

http://tinyurl.com/5znubc

]]> By: Jim S http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422814 Jim S Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:35:07 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422814 Only someone who suffers from highly selective amnesia could make the statement Jimmy did after the way the right went after Clinton. Only someone who suffers from highly selective amnesia could make the statement Jimmy did after the way the right went after Clinton.

]]> By: Donklephant » Blog Archive » Don’t Miss A Moment Of Donklephant Today - Part 1 http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422803 Donklephant » Blog Archive » Don’t Miss A Moment Of Donklephant Today - Part 1 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:12:37 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422803 [...] Whatever Happened To The Loyal Opposition? [...] [...] Whatever Happened To The Loyal Opposition? [...]

]]> By: gerryf http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422799 gerryf Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:06:25 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422799 Jimmy. That's like blaming the wife for being beaten. The GOP has created the highly polarized political partisanship of the past 20 years by driving everything via wedge issues. Nonsense like flag burning and definining marriage in the constitution, the constant attacks on Clinton, driving abortion as the only issue, and now the whole Ayers, Wright, Obama Hussein the Muslim and Socialism garbage were all specifically designed to drive people to the left or right and erradicate the middle. The GOP in general and Karl Rove's campaign strategies were based on it. Doug, I hope you're right, but as long as their are people like Jimmy in the world who twist and distort reality for political gamesmanship we will always have hate. Jimmy.

That’s like blaming the wife for being beaten. The GOP has created the highly polarized political partisanship of the past 20 years by driving everything via wedge issues. Nonsense like flag burning and definining marriage in the constitution, the constant attacks on Clinton, driving abortion as the only issue, and now the whole Ayers, Wright, Obama Hussein the Muslim and Socialism garbage were all specifically designed to drive people to the left or right and erradicate the middle.

The GOP in general and Karl Rove’s campaign strategies were based on it.

Doug, I hope you’re right, but as long as their are people like Jimmy in the world who twist and distort reality for political gamesmanship we will always have hate.

]]> By: Doug Mataconis http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422797 Doug Mataconis Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:53:24 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422797 I think you underestimate the capabilities of Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, and Sean Hannity I think you underestimate the capabilities of Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, and Sean Hannity

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2008/11/04/whatever-happened-to-the-loyal-opposition/comment-page-1/#comment-422792 Jimmy the Dhimmi Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:35:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=10411#comment-422792 Whatever happens, it certainly will be hard for the opposition in this country to "out-hate" the president as the left has done over the past 8 years. Whatever happens, it certainly will be hard for the opposition in this country to “out-hate” the president as the left has done over the past 8 years.

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