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		<title>By: BenG</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/13/gms-poor-brand-loyalty-complicates-chances-of-survival/comment-page-1/#comment-424740</link>
		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MW,

Gosh dangit, I was with ya right up till the last line; &quot;Butâ€¦ the Dems owe the UAW and Michigan for this election. Itâ€™s payback time. Soâ€¦&quot;

According to the Obama folks, they owe THE AMERICAN PEOPLE for this election - the one&#039;s who rallied behind their cause, that is. And even though the UAW is a few percent of that group, it&#039;s much less of a power base then it once was. I&#039;d be curious to see the numbers if anyone has them but, to the extent that this is true, Obama owes a much broader group of voters for this election more than any single group. 

It will be interesting to see how he backs his promises. Will he promote the future economy that our college grads will face tomorrow? Or will he check off to Pelosi and Reid who anti up to the old power base of the unions, which include teachers, utility co&#039;s, skilled laborers, etc, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW,</p>
<p>Gosh dangit, I was with ya right up till the last line; &#8220;Butâ€¦ the Dems owe the UAW and Michigan for this election. Itâ€™s payback time. Soâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>According to the Obama folks, they owe THE AMERICAN PEOPLE for this election &#8211; the one&#8217;s who rallied behind their cause, that is. And even though the UAW is a few percent of that group, it&#8217;s much less of a power base then it once was. I&#8217;d be curious to see the numbers if anyone has them but, to the extent that this is true, Obama owes a much broader group of voters for this election more than any single group. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how he backs his promises. Will he promote the future economy that our college grads will face tomorrow? Or will he check off to Pelosi and Reid who anti up to the old power base of the unions, which include teachers, utility co&#8217;s, skilled laborers, etc, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM cars are not bad.  Chrysler&#039;s ok too. I drive a 10 year Jeep Cherokee and I love it.  I&#039;ll probably buy another one.  This isn&#039;t about bailing out GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Its about bailing out the UAW. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Contrast this with non-union Toyota, whose total hourly U.S. labor costs, with benefits, are about $48 per hour. Those lower labor costs mean Toyota enjoys a cost advantage over U.S. automakers of about $1,000 per vehicle. Is it any wonder that Toyota is outselling American automakers and from plants that have been built on U.S. soil? According to James Sherk of The Heritage Foundation, Japanese car companies provide their employees with good jobs at good wages: &quot;The typical hourly employee at a Toyota, Honda or Nissan plant in America makes almost $100,000 a year in wages and benefits, before overtime.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10957440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While the big three lose share and billions every month, Honda, Toyota and Kia are building plants and creating jobs in states all over America. Bankruptcy would let the big three restructure, get out from under the  union contracts and compete effectively with a rational cost structure. If they get a bailout, it&#039;ll just get be burned up in a few months and we&#039;ll be right back in exactly the same situation, well - except your kids will owe China another $50 Billion or so. 

But... the Dems owe the UAW and Michigan for this election. It&#039;s payback time. So...

Done deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM cars are not bad.  Chrysler&#8217;s ok too. I drive a 10 year Jeep Cherokee and I love it.  I&#8217;ll probably buy another one.  This isn&#8217;t about bailing out GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Its about bailing out the UAW. </p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Contrast this with non-union Toyota, whose total hourly U.S. labor costs, with benefits, are about $48 per hour. Those lower labor costs mean Toyota enjoys a cost advantage over U.S. automakers of about $1,000 per vehicle. Is it any wonder that Toyota is outselling American automakers and from plants that have been built on U.S. soil? According to James Sherk of The Heritage Foundation, Japanese car companies provide their employees with good jobs at good wages: &#8220;The typical hourly employee at a Toyota, Honda or Nissan plant in America makes almost $100,000 a year in wages and benefits, before overtime.&#8221; </i>- <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10957440" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p></blockquote>
<p>While the big three lose share and billions every month, Honda, Toyota and Kia are building plants and creating jobs in states all over America. Bankruptcy would let the big three restructure, get out from under the  union contracts and compete effectively with a rational cost structure. If they get a bailout, it&#8217;ll just get be burned up in a few months and we&#8217;ll be right back in exactly the same situation, well &#8211; except your kids will owe China another $50 Billion or so. </p>
<p>But&#8230; the Dems owe the UAW and Michigan for this election. It&#8217;s payback time. So&#8230;</p>
<p>Done deal.</p>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO LOANS â€“ BUT DONâ€™T KILL THE HEARTLAND

It depends on HOW a bailout is structured, but one should be attempted.

BAILOUTS ARE COMPLEX BEASTS, but Try something outside the box like this to save the U.S. Auto Industry  - - -
         
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html
            
Toyota and Honda also depend on the same suppliers who feed GM and FORD.  No need to let â€œDetroitâ€ disappear.

There is also much creative talent hidden inside the U.S. Big 3 that has been smothered by mismanagement and the UAW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO LOANS â€“ BUT DONâ€™T KILL THE HEARTLAND</p>
<p>It depends on HOW a bailout is structured, but one should be attempted.</p>
<p>BAILOUTS ARE COMPLEX BEASTS, but Try something outside the box like this to save the U.S. Auto Industry  &#8211; - -</p>
<p><a href="http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html" rel="nofollow">http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html</a></p>
<p>Toyota and Honda also depend on the same suppliers who feed GM and FORD.  No need to let â€œDetroitâ€ disappear.</p>
<p>There is also much creative talent hidden inside the U.S. Big 3 that has been smothered by mismanagement and the UAW.</p>
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		<title>By: noc</title>
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		<dc:creator>noc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know, i can now tell it is your post w/o seeing who the author is.

i agree GM should be let go. Lets let these ppl go on to fill more productive positions in society.

i am pure democrat but lets keep our country nimble and flexible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know, i can now tell it is your post w/o seeing who the author is.</p>
<p>i agree GM should be let go. Lets let these ppl go on to fill more productive positions in society.</p>
<p>i am pure democrat but lets keep our country nimble and flexible.</p>
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		<title>By: gerryf</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerryf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a name for people like Robert Passikoff back when I was in the newspaper biz....dial a quote. His opinion is no more valuable then--probably less so--then anyone posting here.

I read his methodology but unless I see his figures I can&#039;t put a lot of stock in his findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a name for people like Robert Passikoff back when I was in the newspaper biz&#8230;.dial a quote. His opinion is no more valuable then&#8211;probably less so&#8211;then anyone posting here.</p>
<p>I read his methodology but unless I see his figures I can&#8217;t put a lot of stock in his findings.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>empty: I addressed Chevy in the post. It&#039;s clearly the company&#039;s best-viewed brand. BenG mentions Silvarado which is a Chevy model that prooves GM can, in fact, make popular vehicles. I would imagine in any scenario, the Chevy brand would probably survive. I don&#039;t imagine this is an all or nothing situaiton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>empty: I addressed Chevy in the post. It&#8217;s clearly the company&#8217;s best-viewed brand. BenG mentions Silvarado which is a Chevy model that prooves GM can, in fact, make popular vehicles. I would imagine in any scenario, the Chevy brand would probably survive. I don&#8217;t imagine this is an all or nothing situaiton.</p>
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		<title>By: BenG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I&#039;m very surprised GMC is last on that list, even behind Chrysler - after the break with Daimler and all those gas guzzlers they&#039;re still making? And behind KIA?  Geez! -  that&#039;s embarrassing. 

What surprised me so much is that I thought GM had really made a turn around the last few years. Their Silverado Truck line has really come on strong and surpassed Ford as the #1 full sized workhorse, I thought. I guess it shows that the damage done in the &#039;80&#039;s and 90&#039;s to the brand is difficult to overcome. 

We rent cars all the time and I&#039;ve been impressed with so many of the GM vehicles; Malibu, Impala, Cadillac, and the smaller SUV&#039;s are all good on gas but not lacking in power. Autoworld&#039;s chief editor was recently on CNBC and that was his sentiment as well. He spoke about the great improvements GM has made, but that it may simply have been too late when the economic factors complicated things. That&#039;s a shame. Sounds like a tragic shame, actually. Maybe we could&#039;ve helped GM with their come back, if they deserved another chance - if only we could afford to buy a new car!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I&#8217;m very surprised GMC is last on that list, even behind Chrysler &#8211; after the break with Daimler and all those gas guzzlers they&#8217;re still making? And behind KIA?  Geez! &#8211;  that&#8217;s embarrassing. </p>
<p>What surprised me so much is that I thought GM had really made a turn around the last few years. Their Silverado Truck line has really come on strong and surpassed Ford as the #1 full sized workhorse, I thought. I guess it shows that the damage done in the &#8217;80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s to the brand is difficult to overcome. </p>
<p>We rent cars all the time and I&#8217;ve been impressed with so many of the GM vehicles; Malibu, Impala, Cadillac, and the smaller SUV&#8217;s are all good on gas but not lacking in power. Autoworld&#8217;s chief editor was recently on CNBC and that was his sentiment as well. He spoke about the great improvements GM has made, but that it may simply have been too late when the economic factors complicated things. That&#8217;s a shame. Sounds like a tragic shame, actually. Maybe we could&#8217;ve helped GM with their come back, if they deserved another chance &#8211; if only we could afford to buy a new car!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kill the beast! Don&#039;t save GM, it&#039;s not worth saving. I feel sorry for the multitudes of people employed by the giant failboat, but keeping it afloat is a handicap on the rest of the country and it&#039;s future.  There&#039;s a reason why it fails all the time, pssst, it&#039;s because they make sucky cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill the beast! Don&#8217;t save GM, it&#8217;s not worth saving. I feel sorry for the multitudes of people employed by the giant failboat, but keeping it afloat is a handicap on the rest of the country and it&#8217;s future.  There&#8217;s a reason why it fails all the time, pssst, it&#8217;s because they make sucky cars.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course SAAB, which is also a GM brand.

Given this list, one would argue that GM is the one American company to save, not let go into bankruptcy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course SAAB, which is also a GM brand.</p>
<p>Given this list, one would argue that GM is the one American company to save, not let go into bankruptcy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do know, of course, that Chevy is a GM brand, right? Still not great, but better than brand stalwarts Volvo and VW...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know, of course, that Chevy is a GM brand, right? Still not great, but better than brand stalwarts Volvo and VW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM has lower brand image than &lt;em&gt;Kia&lt;/em&gt;?! Oh my, that&#039;s bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM has lower brand image than <em>Kia</em>?! Oh my, that&#8217;s bad.</p>
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