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	<title>Comments on: Supreme Court To Review Obama&#8217;s Citizenship</title>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-9/#comment-428677</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Berg&#039;s lawsuit has as little factual and legal merit as Donofrio&#039;s did. It will suffer the same fate when the Justices get around to considering it, which may not be until after Inauguration Day.

Also, are you aware that Philip Berg is a 9/11 Truther ? Or, are you one too ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Berg&#8217;s lawsuit has as little factual and legal merit as Donofrio&#8217;s did. It will suffer the same fate when the Justices get around to considering it, which may not be until after Inauguration Day.</p>
<p>Also, are you aware that Philip Berg is a 9/11 Truther ? Or, are you one too ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Lopez-Cisneros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-428676</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Lopez-Cisneros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous public statements, contentions &amp; arguments; as per Mr. Obama&#039;s &quot;Birth Certificate&quot; were SOLELY Based on the PHILIP J. BERG LAWSUIT: Not Necessarily based on the LEO DONOFRIO LAWSUIT--

As Mr. Donofrio freely admitted or assented &amp; &quot;took it for granted&quot; that Mr. Obama IS a Legitimate &amp; Legal Citizen (albeit NOT a &quot;Natural Born&quot; Citizen) of The United States of America as per Mr. Obama&#039;s &quot;Locked Up In A State Vault&quot; Birth Certificate in Hawaii.

As of This Day &amp; Writing; Attorney PHILIP J. BERG&#039;S LAWSUIT is STILL PENDING Before The United States Supreme Court:

Contending That Mr. Obama is A Natural Born Citizen of KENYA; And NOT A Natural Born Citizen of The United States of America --OR-- Of The State of Hawaii: as Evidenced, so Mr. Berg Contends &amp; Asserts, By Obama&#039;s KENYAN Grandmother Witnessing His (Barack Obama&#039;s) Natural Live Birth in KENYA in 1961 !

Attorney PHILIP J. BERG Also Contends &amp; Asserts that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama ALSO holds Indonesian Citizenship !

These Persistent Questions on The U.S. Constitutional Requirements of Mr. Barack Hussein Obama MUST Cease &amp; Desist BEFORE Dec. 15, 2008 !

OR ELSE TREASON WILL HAVE BEEN COMMITTED AGAINST THE U.S. CONSTITUTION &amp; ITS SEVERAL (50) STATES, COUNTIES, MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES, TOWN, RURAL DISTRICTS &amp; CITIZENS IN GENERAL !

Truthfully, Sincerely &amp; Respectfully Yours,


Tony Lopez-Cisneros
2002/2004 Candidate For Congress,
United States House of Representatives,
4th Congressional District,
State of Illinois.

Website:  http://www.lopez-cisnerosin2002.0catch.com
E-mail:  tonyin2002@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous public statements, contentions &amp; arguments; as per Mr. Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Birth Certificate&#8221; were SOLELY Based on the PHILIP J. BERG LAWSUIT: Not Necessarily based on the LEO DONOFRIO LAWSUIT&#8211;</p>
<p>As Mr. Donofrio freely admitted or assented &amp; &#8220;took it for granted&#8221; that Mr. Obama IS a Legitimate &amp; Legal Citizen (albeit NOT a &#8220;Natural Born&#8221; Citizen) of The United States of America as per Mr. Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Locked Up In A State Vault&#8221; Birth Certificate in Hawaii.</p>
<p>As of This Day &amp; Writing; Attorney PHILIP J. BERG&#8217;S LAWSUIT is STILL PENDING Before The United States Supreme Court:</p>
<p>Contending That Mr. Obama is A Natural Born Citizen of KENYA; And NOT A Natural Born Citizen of The United States of America &#8211;OR&#8211; Of The State of Hawaii: as Evidenced, so Mr. Berg Contends &amp; Asserts, By Obama&#8217;s KENYAN Grandmother Witnessing His (Barack Obama&#8217;s) Natural Live Birth in KENYA in 1961 !</p>
<p>Attorney PHILIP J. BERG Also Contends &amp; Asserts that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama ALSO holds Indonesian Citizenship !</p>
<p>These Persistent Questions on The U.S. Constitutional Requirements of Mr. Barack Hussein Obama MUST Cease &amp; Desist BEFORE Dec. 15, 2008 !</p>
<p>OR ELSE TREASON WILL HAVE BEEN COMMITTED AGAINST THE U.S. CONSTITUTION &amp; ITS SEVERAL (50) STATES, COUNTIES, MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES, TOWN, RURAL DISTRICTS &amp; CITIZENS IN GENERAL !</p>
<p>Truthfully, Sincerely &amp; Respectfully Yours,</p>
<p>Tony Lopez-Cisneros<br />
2002/2004 Candidate For Congress,<br />
United States House of Representatives,<br />
4th Congressional District,<br />
State of Illinois.</p>
<p>Website:  <a href="http://www.lopez-cisnerosin2002.0catch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lopez-cisnerosin2002.0catch.com</a><br />
E-mail:  <a href="mailto:tonyin2002@hotmail.com">tonyin2002@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-428313</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AzAttorney, as to the place of birth issue.  I ask for your professional opinion regarding the issues being discussed of statute: Â§338-17.5  Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0005.htm

and Â§338-17  Late or altered certificate as evidence
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm

also, Â§338-16  Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0016.htm

As for Â§338-20.5  Adoption; foreign born persons, under section 4(b).  &quot;the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued&quot;  If he was adopted by his own mother(smart but devious in a criminal way) the records would be sealed.  Would explain much, but section 4(b) would be insurmountable for POTUS requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AzAttorney, as to the place of birth issue.  I ask for your professional opinion regarding the issues being discussed of statute: Â§338-17.5  Judicial procedure to establish facts of birth<br />
<a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0005.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0005.htm</a></p>
<p>and Â§338-17  Late or altered certificate as evidence<br />
<a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm</a></p>
<p>also, Â§338-16  Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates<br />
<a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0016.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0016.htm</a></p>
<p>As for Â§338-20.5  Adoption; foreign born persons, under section 4(b).  &#8220;the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued&#8221;  If he was adopted by his own mother(smart but devious in a criminal way) the records would be sealed.  Would explain much, but section 4(b) would be insurmountable for POTUS requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AzAttorney, I did not mention Hawaii.  But, hear is an example of a Hawaiian long form from 1963.  Scroll down 1/3 to see it. 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139603/posts

Issuance of said COLB by statute went into effect 1982:Certificates for children born out of State[Â§338-17.8]  View hear:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm  AzAttorney, I do not believe you will find circa 1961 statutes unless you live in Hawaii and visit the courthouse for research.  I agree with your conclusion of this issue and the back-door approach.  And yes you are correct, there are no details as to how the place of birth would be recorded on the Hawaiian birth certificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AzAttorney, I did not mention Hawaii.  But, hear is an example of a Hawaiian long form from 1963.  Scroll down 1/3 to see it.<br />
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139603/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139603/posts</a></p>
<p>Issuance of said COLB by statute went into effect 1982:Certificates for children born out of State[Â§338-17.8]  View hear:<br />
<a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm</a>  AzAttorney, I do not believe you will find circa 1961 statutes unless you live in Hawaii and visit the courthouse for research.  I agree with your conclusion of this issue and the back-door approach.  And yes you are correct, there are no details as to how the place of birth would be recorded on the Hawaiian birth certificate.</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-428217</link>
		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB, please provide the statute, regulation, etc. that was effective in 1961.  I don&#039;t want the provision about birth registration -- that doesn&#039;t prove that the COLB will show City of Honolulu, County of Oahu as the place of birth, and it was first enacted in 1982, sometime around Obama&#039;s 21st birthday.  Just the provision that applied to 1961 will do.  

Perhaps you could link to an example of another foreign-born person whose Hawaii COLB shows birth in Hawaii instead of the actual or probable place of birth.  There must be literally thousands of foreign-born children whose parents have availed themselves of this back-door approach to US citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB, please provide the statute, regulation, etc. that was effective in 1961.  I don&#8217;t want the provision about birth registration &#8212; that doesn&#8217;t prove that the COLB will show City of Honolulu, County of Oahu as the place of birth, and it was first enacted in 1982, sometime around Obama&#8217;s 21st birthday.  Just the provision that applied to 1961 will do.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you could link to an example of another foreign-born person whose Hawaii COLB shows birth in Hawaii instead of the actual or probable place of birth.  There must be literally thousands of foreign-born children whose parents have availed themselves of this back-door approach to US citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-428216</link>
		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and CB, I&#039;m still waiting on that Hawaii statute, regulation, court decision, AG opinion, whatever, that demonstrates that Hawaii will issue a COLB for a foreign-born person that shows Hawaii as the place of birth. lt  Seems rather inconsistent with the letter of section 338-20.5.  You wanna provide that provision as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and CB, I&#8217;m still waiting on that Hawaii statute, regulation, court decision, AG opinion, whatever, that demonstrates that Hawaii will issue a COLB for a foreign-born person that shows Hawaii as the place of birth. lt  Seems rather inconsistent with the letter of section 338-20.5.  You wanna provide that provision as well?</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-428215</link>
		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB, I don&#039;t see any provision in that statute that applies to Obama.  How about you point to the specific provision, because it sure isn&#039;t one of the subsections of Article 1.  Gee, being a lawyer for 24 years, I must not be reading this correctly, cause I see nothing in this statute that made Obama an Indonesian on the basis of a stepparent relationship or his mother&#039;s marriage.  You are so much smarter, being a layperson and all, so I&#039;m sure you can point to the exact language.

Also, I have read the statute start to finish, and it says nothing about Indonesian citizenship as a prerequisite for enrollment in public school, much less such a requirement for enrollment in a parochial school.  Again, if it&#039;s there and I&#039;ve simply overlooked it, I&#039;m sure you can direct us to the applicable language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB, I don&#8217;t see any provision in that statute that applies to Obama.  How about you point to the specific provision, because it sure isn&#8217;t one of the subsections of Article 1.  Gee, being a lawyer for 24 years, I must not be reading this correctly, cause I see nothing in this statute that made Obama an Indonesian on the basis of a stepparent relationship or his mother&#8217;s marriage.  You are so much smarter, being a layperson and all, so I&#8217;m sure you can point to the exact language.</p>
<p>Also, I have read the statute start to finish, and it says nothing about Indonesian citizenship as a prerequisite for enrollment in public school, much less such a requirement for enrollment in a parochial school.  Again, if it&#8217;s there and I&#8217;ve simply overlooked it, I&#8217;m sure you can direct us to the applicable language.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To AzAttorney, yes, I will cite the statute number, it is:  Law No. 62 of 1958.

Can be viewed for all to read:
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html

Copy and paste in browser if not clickable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To AzAttorney, yes, I will cite the statute number, it is:  Law No. 62 of 1958.</p>
<p>Can be viewed for all to read:<br />
<a href="http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html</a></p>
<p>Copy and paste in browser if not clickable.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427906</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Glenn French :

You write on your web page :
&quot;Hawaii does not allow birth records to be publicly viewed. This is why no one can go in and see the certificate.&quot;

And if you go to  the page in your article :     http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
We see the statement :   &quot;FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate&quot;

Did they just contradict you ?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Glenn French :</p>
<p>You write on your web page :<br />
&#8220;Hawaii does not allow birth records to be publicly viewed. This is why no one can go in and see the certificate.&#8221;</p>
<p>And if you go to  the page in your article :     <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html</a><br />
We see the statement :   &#8220;FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate&#8221;</p>
<p>Did they just contradict you ?!!</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427902</link>
		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the Hawaii statute about the birth certification document that is issued for foreign-born persons who births are &quot;registered&quot; in Hawaii.  It is H.R.S. sec. 338-20.5:

&quot;(a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country ... The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth.

...

&quot;The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued ... &quot;

Now, please, anybody, show me where in this statute it says that Hawaii will issue a COLB showing a foreign-born person&#039;s &quot;place of birth&quot; as Hawaii.  The law clearly states that Hawaii will issue a COLB that shows the &quot;true or probable foreign country of birth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Hawaii statute about the birth certification document that is issued for foreign-born persons who births are &#8220;registered&#8221; in Hawaii.  It is H.R.S. sec. 338-20.5:</p>
<p>&#8220;(a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country &#8230; The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>Now, please, anybody, show me where in this statute it says that Hawaii will issue a COLB showing a foreign-born person&#8217;s &#8220;place of birth&#8221; as Hawaii.  The law clearly states that Hawaii will issue a COLB that shows the &#8220;true or probable foreign country of birth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427897</link>
		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB wrote:  &quot;Indonesia offers NO dual citizenship. Indonesian citizens only to attend Indonesian school.&quot;

Okay, CB, you want to cite that Indonesian statute?  We all want to go read it, so just post the citation for that law.

CB also wrote: &quot;Then when he was 20 he traveled back to Indonesia on a trip. At that time the country would deny American citizens, but would grant entry of an Indonesian.&quot;

We would like a citation to that law, too.  Kindly post the statute number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB wrote:  &#8220;Indonesia offers NO dual citizenship. Indonesian citizens only to attend Indonesian school.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, CB, you want to cite that Indonesian statute?  We all want to go read it, so just post the citation for that law.</p>
<p>CB also wrote: &#8220;Then when he was 20 he traveled back to Indonesia on a trip. At that time the country would deny American citizens, but would grant entry of an Indonesian.&#8221;</p>
<p>We would like a citation to that law, too.  Kindly post the statute number.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427632</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama, registered as a Barry Soetoro, in an Indonesian school on Jan.1 1968.  Dual citizenship he says, hmmm.  Indonesia offers NO dual citizenship.  Indonesian citizens  only to attend Indonesian school.  Then when he was 20 he traveled back to Indonesia on a trip.  At that time the country would deny American citizens, but would grant entry of an Indonesian.  Hmmm.  He stated that he was born with dual.  Why won&#039;t he turn over his College medical records?  Passport?  Birth long form?  It&#039;s so simple, I would without hesitating.

I was offered dual citizenship when I turned 18.  I&#039;ve travel the world, lived in foreign countries.  I possess all of the documentation that is being asked for from Barack.  But, I looked at my docs.  Just one glance, is all it took to tell me where I was born, who was there as a witness, hospital, country, doctors, parents names, etc.  Passport told me I left the country of Japan at under a year old, on and on.

He is jeopardizing his presidency, he has known of this sense August.  It is so simple!  Just turn over verifiable proof and all is fine.  So, so simple.  That is, &quot;IF&quot; said proof exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama, registered as a Barry Soetoro, in an Indonesian school on Jan.1 1968.  Dual citizenship he says, hmmm.  Indonesia offers NO dual citizenship.  Indonesian citizens  only to attend Indonesian school.  Then when he was 20 he traveled back to Indonesia on a trip.  At that time the country would deny American citizens, but would grant entry of an Indonesian.  Hmmm.  He stated that he was born with dual.  Why won&#8217;t he turn over his College medical records?  Passport?  Birth long form?  It&#8217;s so simple, I would without hesitating.</p>
<p>I was offered dual citizenship when I turned 18.  I&#8217;ve travel the world, lived in foreign countries.  I possess all of the documentation that is being asked for from Barack.  But, I looked at my docs.  Just one glance, is all it took to tell me where I was born, who was there as a witness, hospital, country, doctors, parents names, etc.  Passport told me I left the country of Japan at under a year old, on and on.</p>
<p>He is jeopardizing his presidency, he has known of this sense August.  It is so simple!  Just turn over verifiable proof and all is fine.  So, so simple.  That is, &#8220;IF&#8221; said proof exists.</p>
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		<title>By: zina</title>
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		<dc:creator>zina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it is going internationally already. Here what â€œPravdaâ€ says about this:

http://english.pravda.ru/print/opinion/columnists/106778-Amazing_Obama-0

or

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-1/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it is going internationally already. Here what â€œPravdaâ€ says about this:</p>
<p><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/print/opinion/columnists/106778-Amazing_Obama-0" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/print/opinion/columnists/106778-Amazing_Obama-0</a></p>
<p>or</p>
<p><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-1/" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106778-1/</a></p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
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		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and while you&#039;re at it, rx sid, please explain the New Jersey state law that requires the Secretary of State to verify the qualifications of candidates for national office.  What law did New Jersey&#039;s Appeal Division, Supreme Court and Attorney General overlook in their erroneous construction of state law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and while you&#8217;re at it, rx sid, please explain the New Jersey state law that requires the Secretary of State to verify the qualifications of candidates for national office.  What law did New Jersey&#8217;s Appeal Division, Supreme Court and Attorney General overlook in their erroneous construction of state law?</p>
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		<title>By: AzAttorney</title>
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		<dc:creator>AzAttorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rx sid, please cite legal authority for your proposition that &quot;Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth.&quot;  Please do not cite a blog, or Donofrio&#039;s application.  Please cite law.  And please explain how the legal authority you offer is distinguishable from Supreme Court precedent discussing &quot;natural born citizenship&quot; in the case, United States v. Wong Kim Ark.  

I look forward to your analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rx sid, please cite legal authority for your proposition that &#8220;Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth.&#8221;  Please do not cite a blog, or Donofrio&#8217;s application.  Please cite law.  And please explain how the legal authority you offer is distinguishable from Supreme Court precedent discussing &#8220;natural born citizenship&#8221; in the case, United States v. Wong Kim Ark.  </p>
<p>I look forward to your analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427292</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh...

The law you cited was passed when Obama was 14. Besides his Birth Certificate says he was born in Honolulu. Honolulu is NOT in Kenya.

Dual citizenship is irrelevant. Anyone of Greek descent is entitled to Greek citizenship, and all Jews can become Israeli citizens. Technically they&#039;re already citizens of those states. The procedure is a mere formality. Which means that if duel citizens are barred from the Presidency Jews, and Greeks can&#039;t be President. Also Italians, anyone with an Irish grandparent, descendants of Electress Sophia of Hannover, etc. As per the 12th Amendment Jews, Greeks, etc. would be banned from the Vice Presidency as well.

BTW, Technically Calero wasn&#039;t on the ballot anywhere. His electors were. Those electors had the right to waste their votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh&#8230;</p>
<p>The law you cited was passed when Obama was 14. Besides his Birth Certificate says he was born in Honolulu. Honolulu is NOT in Kenya.</p>
<p>Dual citizenship is irrelevant. Anyone of Greek descent is entitled to Greek citizenship, and all Jews can become Israeli citizens. Technically they&#8217;re already citizens of those states. The procedure is a mere formality. Which means that if duel citizens are barred from the Presidency Jews, and Greeks can&#8217;t be President. Also Italians, anyone with an Irish grandparent, descendants of Electress Sophia of Hannover, etc. As per the 12th Amendment Jews, Greeks, etc. would be banned from the Vice Presidency as well.</p>
<p>BTW, Technically Calero wasn&#8217;t on the ballot anywhere. His electors were. Those electors had the right to waste their votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Aisley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aisley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment specially for our dear RX SID:

By Law in the US, when a child is born with dual citizenship, (s)he MUST DECLARE what citizenship they&#039;re going to keep as soon as their age is 18.  Since there are no documents that support a declaration made by Mr. McCain, narrow minded people will jump to say that by not declaring, he&#039;s not a citizen.  Well, well, surprise, surprise, the Law in the US aproves as a valid Declaration the person&#039;s acts and doings that clearly shows (s)he consider themselves a US citizen.  Both of them &quot;been there, done that&quot;.  And again, do you really believe that Hellary was going to let that one go by as desperately as she wants to be the US president?  (May God never allow that to happen)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment specially for our dear RX SID:</p>
<p>By Law in the US, when a child is born with dual citizenship, (s)he MUST DECLARE what citizenship they&#8217;re going to keep as soon as their age is 18.  Since there are no documents that support a declaration made by Mr. McCain, narrow minded people will jump to say that by not declaring, he&#8217;s not a citizen.  Well, well, surprise, surprise, the Law in the US aproves as a valid Declaration the person&#8217;s acts and doings that clearly shows (s)he consider themselves a US citizen.  Both of them &#8220;been there, done that&#8221;.  And again, do you really believe that Hellary was going to let that one go by as desperately as she wants to be the US president?  (May God never allow that to happen)</p>
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		<title>By: Aisley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aisley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we ask the people who knows, immigration lawyers, they will tell us that for granting of US citizenship by reason of birth the US Legal System recognizes two rules:
Res solii (because of land):  This is the case where you are a natural born US citizen because you where born in any of the 50 US states, US territories or in any US diplomatic and consular legations in the world.

Res sanguii (because of blood):  This is the case where you are a natural born US citizen BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR PARENTS IS A U.S. CITIZEN.

So, ladies and gentlemen, Res sanguii/because of blood is the law that apply to Mr. McCain.  The fact that he was born in a US military installation in Panama is not the reason.  That installation was located in Panamanian territory.

Mr. Obama sustains that he is a natural born US citizen, and you know what?  I believe him.  Not because he&#039;s the one saying it; but because if he were not a natural born US citizen the republican party would had squash him, if Hillary wouldn&#039;t have done it first.

What location is written in his birth cert. as his birth place is irrelevant.  He was born to a US citizen and that&#039;s legally enough.  To the people that alleges that his mother renounced to the US citizenship when he married her Indonesian husband; I don&#039;t know if she did so or not, but that will still be irrelevant because by the time she married the Indonesian gentleman Mr. Obama was already born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we ask the people who knows, immigration lawyers, they will tell us that for granting of US citizenship by reason of birth the US Legal System recognizes two rules:<br />
Res solii (because of land):  This is the case where you are a natural born US citizen because you where born in any of the 50 US states, US territories or in any US diplomatic and consular legations in the world.</p>
<p>Res sanguii (because of blood):  This is the case where you are a natural born US citizen BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR PARENTS IS A U.S. CITIZEN.</p>
<p>So, ladies and gentlemen, Res sanguii/because of blood is the law that apply to Mr. McCain.  The fact that he was born in a US military installation in Panama is not the reason.  That installation was located in Panamanian territory.</p>
<p>Mr. Obama sustains that he is a natural born US citizen, and you know what?  I believe him.  Not because he&#8217;s the one saying it; but because if he were not a natural born US citizen the republican party would had squash him, if Hillary wouldn&#8217;t have done it first.</p>
<p>What location is written in his birth cert. as his birth place is irrelevant.  He was born to a US citizen and that&#8217;s legally enough.  To the people that alleges that his mother renounced to the US citizenship when he married her Indonesian husband; I don&#8217;t know if she did so or not, but that will still be irrelevant because by the time she married the Indonesian gentleman Mr. Obama was already born.</p>
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		<title>By: rx sid</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/23/supreme-court-to-review-obamas-citizenship-2/comment-page-8/#comment-427274</link>
		<dc:creator>rx sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is, without question, that (at the very least) the Secretary of State of New Jersey did NOT do their job in making sure the candidates (including Obama) were qualified and eligible to be on their states&#039; ballot.  [This is, in part, the subject of Leo Donofrio&#039;s lawsuit.]

Why?

How would the SoS from NJ explain that Roger Calero was on their ballet as a candidate?

Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero isnâ€™t even a U.S. citizen (Naturalized OR Natural Born), yet appeared on NJâ€™s presidential ballot.

Calero was also allowed on the state ballot in: Delaware, Minnesota, New York and Vermont.

Calero is a permanent resident alien (holding a green card).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3ger_Calero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is, without question, that (at the very least) the Secretary of State of New Jersey did NOT do their job in making sure the candidates (including Obama) were qualified and eligible to be on their states&#8217; ballot.  [This is, in part, the subject of Leo Donofrio's lawsuit.]</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>How would the SoS from NJ explain that Roger Calero was on their ballet as a candidate?</p>
<p>Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero isnâ€™t even a U.S. citizen (Naturalized OR Natural Born), yet appeared on NJâ€™s presidential ballot.</p>
<p>Calero was also allowed on the state ballot in: Delaware, Minnesota, New York and Vermont.</p>
<p>Calero is a permanent resident alien (holding a green card).<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3ger_Calero" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3ger_Calero</a></p>
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		<title>By: rx sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>rx sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A)  Hawaiian law, at the time of Obama&#039;s birth, allowed for FOREIGN born (i.e. outside of Hawaii) baby&#039;s to be registered in Hawaii via a &#039;Certificate of Live Birth&#039;:  
&quot;[Â§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State...&quot;

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm


B)  The Hawaiian govt&#039; officials NEVER stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.  They only stated that they have seen his birth certificate on file.  But a B.C. from where?? (see #1 above).

On October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health, Hawaii, issued a press release in which she stated, in part:
&quot;Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaiâ€˜i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaiâ€˜i State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaâ€™s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.&quot;
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

For the Hawaiian &#039;Policies and Procedures&#039; she refereed to...see item #1 above which, again, affords foreign born babies to obtain a Hawaiian COLB (within 1 year).  


C) If proven Obama is indeed foreign born (Kenya), He would not have received U.S. citizenship based, only, on his mother&#039;s citizenship status. Per U.S. law at the time of his birth (December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986).  
&quot;If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.&quot;

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html

Obama&#039;s mother would have had to have given birth to him when she was 21 (16 + 5).  She didn&#039;t.  Therefore, Obama could not obtain U.S. citizenship based only by virtue his mother&#039;s citizenship.


D) Examples of Hawaiian Long Form COLB&#039;s:  
1963 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:  http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2252293c4604a0100a80270e5000e-pi
1962 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:  http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

Obviously, the Long Form COLB&#039;s have a whole lot more detailed information (including the birth Hospital) than the short form Obama posted (questionable authenticity) shows.  Why hasn&#039;t he released his Long form COLB?


E) And then there is the dual citizenship issue.  Factcheck themselves state that Obama was indeed a British subject and did in fact hold dual citizenship AT Birth.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html
&quot;In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen ... and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC)&quot;

So even IF he was indeed born in Hawaii (would be easy for him to prove but hasn&#039;t so far), Obama could therefore not be a Natural Born citizen because Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth.  It has to do with the potential for divided loyalties.

He might be a &quot;Naturalized&quot; Citizen, but there is nothing (to date) in the public sector to suggest he is a &#039;Natural Born&quot; Citizen, which is what the Constitution clearly requires for one to become POTUS.


Obama owes it to our country, and to the Constitution to go public with a copy of his 1961 Long Form original birth certificate (COLB).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A)  Hawaiian law, at the time of Obama&#8217;s birth, allowed for FOREIGN born (i.e. outside of Hawaii) baby&#8217;s to be registered in Hawaii via a &#8216;Certificate of Live Birth&#8217;:<br />
&#8220;[Â§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm</a></p>
<p>B)  The Hawaiian govt&#8217; officials NEVER stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.  They only stated that they have seen his birth certificate on file.  But a B.C. from where?? (see #1 above).</p>
<p>On October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health, Hawaii, issued a press release in which she stated, in part:<br />
&#8220;Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaiâ€˜i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaiâ€˜i State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaâ€™s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf</a></p>
<p>For the Hawaiian &#8216;Policies and Procedures&#8217; she refereed to&#8230;see item #1 above which, again, affords foreign born babies to obtain a Hawaiian COLB (within 1 year).  </p>
<p>C) If proven Obama is indeed foreign born (Kenya), He would not have received U.S. citizenship based, only, on his mother&#8217;s citizenship status. Per U.S. law at the time of his birth (December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986).<br />
&#8220;If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html" rel="nofollow">http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigration/immigration-citizenship-naturalization/immigration-citizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html</a></p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s mother would have had to have given birth to him when she was 21 (16 + 5).  She didn&#8217;t.  Therefore, Obama could not obtain U.S. citizenship based only by virtue his mother&#8217;s citizenship.</p>
<p>D) Examples of Hawaiian Long Form COLB&#8217;s:<br />
1963 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:  <a href="http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2252293c4604a0100a80270e5000e-pi" rel="nofollow">http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2252293c4604a0100a80270e5000e-pi</a><br />
1962 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:  <a href="http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg</a></p>
<p>Obviously, the Long Form COLB&#8217;s have a whole lot more detailed information (including the birth Hospital) than the short form Obama posted (questionable authenticity) shows.  Why hasn&#8217;t he released his Long form COLB?</p>
<p>E) And then there is the dual citizenship issue.  Factcheck themselves state that Obama was indeed a British subject and did in fact hold dual citizenship AT Birth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html</a><br />
&#8220;In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen &#8230; and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC)&#8221;</p>
<p>So even IF he was indeed born in Hawaii (would be easy for him to prove but hasn&#8217;t so far), Obama could therefore not be a Natural Born citizen because Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth.  It has to do with the potential for divided loyalties.</p>
<p>He might be a &#8220;Naturalized&#8221; Citizen, but there is nothing (to date) in the public sector to suggest he is a &#8216;Natural Born&#8221; Citizen, which is what the Constitution clearly requires for one to become POTUS.</p>
<p>Obama owes it to our country, and to the Constitution to go public with a copy of his 1961 Long Form original birth certificate (COLB).</p>
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