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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429587</link>
		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harden, no one said anything about scientific credentials. Asserting that Gore doesn&#039;t have more practical knowledge or a more educated opinion on climate change than the 20-year-old bimbo who rings me up at the Speedway across the street from my apartment while discussing her latest STD, or my neighbor who was burning tires in his backyard last weekend, or, oh, 99.9999999% of the people you meet walkign down the street smacks of the most pathetic ideological enslavement on your part. While my head is anywhere but up the MSM&#039;s ass, yours is irrefutably lodged firmly in the GOP&#039;s. It must be tiresome to be so predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harden, no one said anything about scientific credentials. Asserting that Gore doesn&#8217;t have more practical knowledge or a more educated opinion on climate change than the 20-year-old bimbo who rings me up at the Speedway across the street from my apartment while discussing her latest STD, or my neighbor who was burning tires in his backyard last weekend, or, oh, 99.9999999% of the people you meet walkign down the street smacks of the most pathetic ideological enslavement on your part. While my head is anywhere but up the MSM&#8217;s ass, yours is irrefutably lodged firmly in the GOP&#8217;s. It must be tiresome to be so predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429581</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Jimmy -- I was actually going to send Justin G. a private e-mail regarding these 650 scientists to see if I could get someone on Donklephant to actually post this recent development.  I figured the silence would be deafening, a big carbon elephant sitting in the room. 

I guess George Bush and Justin Gardner may have an actually equal disrespect for science if it does not promote their political agenda. Man, its been a good week so far for the libbies.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jimmy &#8212; I was actually going to send Justin G. a private e-mail regarding these 650 scientists to see if I could get someone on Donklephant to actually post this recent development.  I figured the silence would be deafening, a big carbon elephant sitting in the room. </p>
<p>I guess George Bush and Justin Gardner may have an actually equal disrespect for science if it does not promote their political agenda. Man, its been a good week so far for the libbies.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429568</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim S:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Al Gore does one thing that most of the people sneering at him never do, he pays attention to the scientists that are motivated by the science instead of those motivated by their own political stance or their connections to energy companies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, do you suppose he will listen to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over 650 world-renowned scientists&lt;/a&gt; who have recently petitioned the IPCC for representation in their dissenting views on man-made global warming?

Will you?  You can start, if you feel up to it, by reading through some of those quotations listed on the webpage I linked to.  Why bother, they are probably &quot;flat earthers&quot; right?  After all, Ivar Giaever won a Nobel Prize for &lt;em&gt;physics&lt;/em&gt; not &lt;em&gt;peace.&lt;/em&gt;  What would he know about science?  Are you sneering now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim S:</p>
<blockquote><p>Al Gore does one thing that most of the people sneering at him never do, he pays attention to the scientists that are motivated by the science instead of those motivated by their own political stance or their connections to energy companies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, do you suppose he will listen to the <a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6" rel="nofollow">over 650 world-renowned scientists</a> who have recently petitioned the IPCC for representation in their dissenting views on man-made global warming?</p>
<p>Will you?  You can start, if you feel up to it, by reading through some of those quotations listed on the webpage I linked to.  Why bother, they are probably &#8220;flat earthers&#8221; right?  After all, Ivar Giaever won a Nobel Prize for <em>physics</em> not <em>peace.</em>  What would he know about science?  Are you sneering now?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a good point, David.  NASA fixed an error in its global temperature data, and found that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hottest year on record was actually 1934&lt;/a&gt;, not 1998.  Also, the oceans are not as warm as Al Gore predicted, Polar Bears are thriving better than ever recorded, ect... Al Gore has &lt;em&gt;never once&lt;/em&gt; explained these discrepancies, his &quot;documentary&quot; was just as much of an appeal to the audiences emotions as their reason, with stark images of crusty desert landscapes and drowning CGI polarbears.  He is using tried-and-true corporate marketing techniques to sell Gloabal Warming to the masses.

He claims the debate is over.  When was this debate?  When did Al Gore stand on one side of the stage, with a dissenting scientist on the other, giving opening statements, rebuttals, taking questions from the moderators, giving closing arguments ect... When did this happen?  Al Gore is Chicken Shit.  Even if he is right there are thousands of legitamate climatologists who have dissenting views and would gladly challenge Al Gore in an open forum if given the opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a good point, David.  NASA fixed an error in its global temperature data, and found that the <a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt" rel="nofollow">hottest year on record was actually 1934</a>, not 1998.  Also, the oceans are not as warm as Al Gore predicted, Polar Bears are thriving better than ever recorded, ect&#8230; Al Gore has <em>never once</em> explained these discrepancies, his &#8220;documentary&#8221; was just as much of an appeal to the audiences emotions as their reason, with stark images of crusty desert landscapes and drowning CGI polarbears.  He is using tried-and-true corporate marketing techniques to sell Gloabal Warming to the masses.</p>
<p>He claims the debate is over.  When was this debate?  When did Al Gore stand on one side of the stage, with a dissenting scientist on the other, giving opening statements, rebuttals, taking questions from the moderators, giving closing arguments ect&#8230; When did this happen?  Al Gore is Chicken Shit.  Even if he is right there are thousands of legitamate climatologists who have dissenting views and would gladly challenge Al Gore in an open forum if given the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: have you seen Gore revise any of his statements or claims based on new scientific research or corrections in any old research?  THAT is something that would be required of someone who is paying attention to scientists who are motivated by science.  

By definition, science investigates areas where there are gaps in knowledge - if we don&#039;t learn more as we go along, we&#039;re doing it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: have you seen Gore revise any of his statements or claims based on new scientific research or corrections in any old research?  THAT is something that would be required of someone who is paying attention to scientists who are motivated by science.  </p>
<p>By definition, science investigates areas where there are gaps in knowledge &#8211; if we don&#8217;t learn more as we go along, we&#8217;re doing it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore does one thing that most of the people sneering at him never do, he pays attention to the scientists that are motivated by the science instead of those motivated by their own political stance or their connections to energy companies. This also puts him way ahead of the average joe on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore does one thing that most of the people sneering at him never do, he pays attention to the scientists that are motivated by the science instead of those motivated by their own political stance or their connections to energy companies. This also puts him way ahead of the average joe on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To defend Al Gore, I think he is seen more as a leader in the green movement.  Just like most presidents have never studied economics and few could be considered experts in all fields of foreign or domestic policy, they are elected to their position because of leadership capabilities, along with enough of a brain to understand issues presented to them.

No, Al Gore is not a scientists, and he probably doesn&#039;t know any more than anyone who reads this blog (which is probably more than the average Joe though), but he is a largely accepted voice in the green movement, which includes scientists and activists alike, and his knowledge of climate change research is probably comparable to the extent of knowledge we expect our presidents to have of specific issues.  Though I think he is a bit of a propagandist and I question awarding the IPCC the Nobel Peace Prize, I can understand both why he should be consulting with Obama and why we should be aware of any conflicts of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To defend Al Gore, I think he is seen more as a leader in the green movement.  Just like most presidents have never studied economics and few could be considered experts in all fields of foreign or domestic policy, they are elected to their position because of leadership capabilities, along with enough of a brain to understand issues presented to them.</p>
<p>No, Al Gore is not a scientists, and he probably doesn&#8217;t know any more than anyone who reads this blog (which is probably more than the average Joe though), but he is a largely accepted voice in the green movement, which includes scientists and activists alike, and his knowledge of climate change research is probably comparable to the extent of knowledge we expect our presidents to have of specific issues.  Though I think he is a bit of a propagandist and I question awarding the IPCC the Nobel Peace Prize, I can understand both why he should be consulting with Obama and why we should be aware of any conflicts of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: TerenceC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerenceC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, Al Gore didn&#039;t win the Nobel Prize in Physics or Chemistry; he won the Nobel &lt;em&gt;Peace&lt;/em&gt; prize.  Because climate science is under the category of politics, I guess. 

Next up, Yale professor &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chem.yale.edu/faculty/moore.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Moore&lt;/a&gt; is about to be nominated for the Nobel prize in Classical Literature for his work on ribosomal peptidyl transferase reactions and tRNA decoding during protein synthesis of eukaryotic cells &lt;em&gt;in vivo&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, Al Gore didn&#8217;t win the Nobel Prize in Physics or Chemistry; he won the Nobel <em>Peace</em> prize.  Because climate science is under the category of politics, I guess. </p>
<p>Next up, Yale professor <a href="http://www.chem.yale.edu/faculty/moore.html" rel="nofollow">Peter Moore</a> is about to be nominated for the Nobel prize in Classical Literature for his work on ribosomal peptidyl transferase reactions and tRNA decoding during protein synthesis of eukaryotic cells <em>in vivo</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/12/09/al-gore-advocate-or-lobbyist/comment-page-1/#comment-429089</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah. Al Gore doesnâ€™t know more about climate change than the average Joe on the street. Someone needs a nap.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

blackoutyears - Provide one scientific credential of Al Gore.  Just one.  One thing that makes him more scientifically qualified than...anybody.  You are right, I do need a nap, but you need to remove your head from the rectal cavity of the MSM and be a bit more discerning on who you trust for expert knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah. Al Gore doesnâ€™t know more about climate change than the average Joe on the street. Someone needs a nap.</p></blockquote>
<p>blackoutyears &#8211; Provide one scientific credential of Al Gore.  Just one.  One thing that makes him more scientifically qualified than&#8230;anybody.  You are right, I do need a nap, but you need to remove your head from the rectal cavity of the MSM and be a bit more discerning on who you trust for expert knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent question, and one I doubt I would hear anywhere else. It is for balance like this that I turn to Donklephant. Great work guys. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent question, and one I doubt I would hear anywhere else. It is for balance like this that I turn to Donklephant. Great work guys. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Al Gore doesn&#039;t know more about climate change than the average Joe on the street. Someone needs a nap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Al Gore doesn&#8217;t know more about climate change than the average Joe on the street. Someone needs a nap.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, should we also be upset that Barack Obama is getting environmental advice from those who stand to profit from increased regulation and green investment?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. We should at least be very leery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, should we also be upset that Barack Obama is getting environmental advice from those who stand to profit from increased regulation and green investment?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. We should at least be very leery.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;diminish his knowledge on the subject.&lt;blockquote&gt;

Which is no greater than mine or the average Joe on the street -- it is similar to Justin&#039;s claim to be the greatest of &quot;moderates&quot; - just because someone says it, doesn&#039;t make it so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>diminish his knowledge on the subject.<br />
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<p>Which is no greater than mine or the average Joe on the street &#8212; it is similar to Justin&#8217;s claim to be the greatest of &#8220;moderates&#8221; &#8211; just because someone says it, doesn&#8217;t make it so.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Alan.</description>
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