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	<title>Comments on: CIA Director &#8211; Leon Panetta</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: daveg</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434725</link>
		<dc:creator>daveg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pennetta was a good pick.  

Several ex-CIA &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/01/06/panetta-is-not-uncured-italian-bacon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;approve&lt;/a&gt; of the pick and I am very pleased that Obama did not even consult Feinstein as she was pushing for virtual Israeli spy Jane Harmon to head the agency.  And that is not an exaggeration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pennetta was a good pick.  </p>
<p>Several ex-CIA <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/01/06/panetta-is-not-uncured-italian-bacon/" rel="nofollow">approve</a> of the pick and I am very pleased that Obama did not even consult Feinstein as she was pushing for virtual Israeli spy Jane Harmon to head the agency.  And that is not an exaggeration.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Porter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434668</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sentence didn&#039;t deserve Geneva protections.

As to the objections, I&#039;m having this debate at &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=7252#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own blog as well&lt;/a&gt;, where many of my co-bloggers also see it as a case of Obama dismissing the need for field expertise.    

My response is that certainly, experience is and should be an issue. But I think I learned my lesson from the Bush II White Houseâ€”you can go the route of just taking the Most Experienced Person On Earth for every given position, but those people tend to come with a lot of baggage, hard-wired hidden agendas, their own cliques, their own ideological axes to grind, etc.

Or, the analogy can run like this. Say you have a very large 6A inner city school that is failing miserably in every conceivable way. Now, Rojasâ€™ line would say you should look to the senior-most teacher in that school and promote them to principal. But at that point you run exactly the risk of just magnifying the problems further, to say the least. Barring some obvious standout choice within the school, it might be better to go fishing.

Other people might say it would be worth it to bring in someone who doesnâ€™t necessarily come from the realm of education, but knows how to right a sinking ship (say, a business executive with an interest and a track record of whipping failed institutions into shape).

Thatâ€™s a very rough analogy obviously, but I think it gets the general gist of it. There is a risk to it, of courseâ€”could be that the outsiderâ€™s skills just donâ€™t translate at all and he misses key components of the job. But thereâ€™s a risk in going the â€œheavy experienceâ€ route as wellâ€”the candidate, pretty likely, will be mired in the same kind of failed thinking and inefficiency youâ€™re trying to cleave. 

I also like &lt;a href=&quot;http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/an_interview_with_tim_roemer_t.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Roemer&#039;s take&lt;/a&gt;:

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I think that underestimates his chief of staff experience, when youâ€™re dealing with the CIA and the national security administration on a daily basis. He has about three years of experience dealing with the heads of agencies, with crises, and with national and foreign policy issues. I think he does bring a knowledge of the CIA and good national security experience from both his time on the Hill and the Iraq study groupâ€¦and as chief of staff to the president where youâ€™re immersed in it on an hourly basis. Leon is going to be dealing with sensitive issues, like Guantanamo, and renditions and torture, and [there needs to be] a good working relationship with Capitol Hill, and he has that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sentence didn&#8217;t deserve Geneva protections.</p>
<p>As to the objections, I&#8217;m having this debate at <a href="http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=7252#comments" rel="nofollow">my own blog as well</a>, where many of my co-bloggers also see it as a case of Obama dismissing the need for field expertise.    </p>
<p>My response is that certainly, experience is and should be an issue. But I think I learned my lesson from the Bush II White Houseâ€”you can go the route of just taking the Most Experienced Person On Earth for every given position, but those people tend to come with a lot of baggage, hard-wired hidden agendas, their own cliques, their own ideological axes to grind, etc.</p>
<p>Or, the analogy can run like this. Say you have a very large 6A inner city school that is failing miserably in every conceivable way. Now, Rojasâ€™ line would say you should look to the senior-most teacher in that school and promote them to principal. But at that point you run exactly the risk of just magnifying the problems further, to say the least. Barring some obvious standout choice within the school, it might be better to go fishing.</p>
<p>Other people might say it would be worth it to bring in someone who doesnâ€™t necessarily come from the realm of education, but knows how to right a sinking ship (say, a business executive with an interest and a track record of whipping failed institutions into shape).</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s a very rough analogy obviously, but I think it gets the general gist of it. There is a risk to it, of courseâ€”could be that the outsiderâ€™s skills just donâ€™t translate at all and he misses key components of the job. But thereâ€™s a risk in going the â€œheavy experienceâ€ route as wellâ€”the candidate, pretty likely, will be mired in the same kind of failed thinking and inefficiency youâ€™re trying to cleave. </p>
<p>I also like <a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/an_interview_with_tim_roemer_t.php" rel="nofollow">Tim Roemer&#8217;s take</a>:</p>
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I think that underestimates his chief of staff experience, when youâ€™re dealing with the CIA and the national security administration on a daily basis. He has about three years of experience dealing with the heads of agencies, with crises, and with national and foreign policy issues. I think he does bring a knowledge of the CIA and good national security experience from both his time on the Hill and the Iraq study groupâ€¦and as chief of staff to the president where youâ€™re immersed in it on an hourly basis. Leon is going to be dealing with sensitive issues, like Guantanamo, and renditions and torture, and [there needs to be] a good working relationship with Capitol Hill, and he has that.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434630</link>
		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama backing down from Brennan doesn&#039;t strike me as &quot;receptive,&quot; it strikes me as a bit weak-willed.  Intelligence--good *reliable* intelligence--is critical right now.  To appoint someone with no intelligence experience to &quot;clean house&quot; at an intelligence agency is beyond ridiculous.  I hope the man does a good job, but not Obama&#039;s strongest pick so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama backing down from Brennan doesn&#8217;t strike me as &#8220;receptive,&#8221; it strikes me as a bit weak-willed.  Intelligence&#8211;good *reliable* intelligence&#8211;is critical right now.  To appoint someone with no intelligence experience to &#8220;clean house&#8221; at an intelligence agency is beyond ridiculous.  I hope the man does a good job, but not Obama&#8217;s strongest pick so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Modest Proposal:

Nothing good can come from torturing sentences.  Free Camp Run-On!

&quot;Given that the Bush administration has done so much long-term, institutional damage to our intelligence superstructure, basic tenets of human rights and the rule of law, and the really nearly impossible to overstate damage done to the very idea of America itself, and almost all of that has fallen under the scope of the CIA at one point or another, bloggers like Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, and other leading voices in the fight for not buying into the false choice of security over freedom, have been keeping a very close, very wary eye on what Obama was going to do here.&quot;

No appointments for sentence torturers!  Indictments for all purveyors of neocon run-on travesties of justice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Modest Proposal:</p>
<p>Nothing good can come from torturing sentences.  Free Camp Run-On!</p>
<p>&#8220;Given that the Bush administration has done so much long-term, institutional damage to our intelligence superstructure, basic tenets of human rights and the rule of law, and the really nearly impossible to overstate damage done to the very idea of America itself, and almost all of that has fallen under the scope of the CIA at one point or another, bloggers like Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, and other leading voices in the fight for not buying into the false choice of security over freedom, have been keeping a very close, very wary eye on what Obama was going to do here.&#8221;</p>
<p>No appointments for sentence torturers!  Indictments for all purveyors of neocon run-on travesties of justice!</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant Â» Blog Archive Â» CIA Director - Leon Panetta &#124; techa news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donklephant Â» Blog Archive Â» CIA Director - Leon Panetta &#124; techa news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ralph Spyer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Spyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CIA has undertaken regime change in 1953 Iran;1953 and 1980 Italy;1954 Guatemela ;1954 Cuba;1960 Congo;1963 Iraq; 1967 Greece;1978 and 1980 Afghanistan ;1992 Iraq again;1980 Turkey; 1981 and 1990 Nicargua; 2000; 2000 Zimbabwe; 2000 Sebia ;2002 Venezuela; 2003 Georgia; 2004 Ukraine; 2004 Guinea ;2005 Lebanon; 2001 Iran again; and 2007 Myanmar. Does Leon Panetta want to run this terrorist organization?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CIA has undertaken regime change in 1953 Iran;1953 and 1980 Italy;1954 Guatemela ;1954 Cuba;1960 Congo;1963 Iraq; 1967 Greece;1978 and 1980 Afghanistan ;1992 Iraq again;1980 Turkey; 1981 and 1990 Nicargua; 2000; 2000 Zimbabwe; 2000 Sebia ;2002 Venezuela; 2003 Georgia; 2004 Ukraine; 2004 Guinea ;2005 Lebanon; 2001 Iran again; and 2007 Myanmar. Does Leon Panetta want to run this terrorist organization?</p>
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		<title>By: Izerc</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434608</link>
		<dc:creator>Izerc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here a Hack, There a Hack, Everywhere a Hack-Hack

Leon Panetta, no experience needed.

http://www.izerc.com/?p=219</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here a Hack, There a Hack, Everywhere a Hack-Hack</p>
<p>Leon Panetta, no experience needed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.izerc.com/?p=219" rel="nofollow">http://www.izerc.com/?p=219</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/05/cia-director-leon-panetta/comment-page-1/#comment-434576</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon Panetta??  What was George McGovern too busy?  Obama has given the jihadists in Gaza one thing to smile about today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon Panetta??  What was George McGovern too busy?  Obama has given the jihadists in Gaza one thing to smile about today.</p>
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		<title>By: The Crossed Pond &#187; More Thoughts On Panetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Crossed Pond &#187; More Thoughts On Panetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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