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	<title>Comments on: Meanwhile, In Russia&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post, Justin.  Thank you.  Please, more of them just like this -- simply brilliant.  You should honestly get sometype of journalistic/economic award for insight.  

Yes,  Gazprom is a shining example of the free-market at work.  But hey, pretty soon we are going to have a VERY SIMILAR institution.  Just as Gazprom is so interwined as to be an apparatus of the Russian State, so to will GE have that cozy equity relationship with our own federal government.
It is called fasicism, not free markets.  Somebody buy this boy a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post, Justin.  Thank you.  Please, more of them just like this &#8212; simply brilliant.  You should honestly get sometype of journalistic/economic award for insight.  </p>
<p>Yes,  Gazprom is a shining example of the free-market at work.  But hey, pretty soon we are going to have a VERY SIMILAR institution.  Just as Gazprom is so interwined as to be an apparatus of the Russian State, so to will GE have that cozy equity relationship with our own federal government.<br />
It is called fasicism, not free markets.  Somebody buy this boy a book.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK let me get this straight. The story is that Russia has shut off natural gas supplies to Ukraine. And as analysis, your intelligent comments are directed at the following points:

â€¢complaining about the ideology that suggests free markets have merit

â€¢suggesting that if only America had not invaded Iraq an pursued terrorists, we&#039;d be in a better spot to make Russia do what WE want

That&#039;s pretty weak. As to point one, please notice or recall that a HUGE part of free market ideology, such as it is, speaks directly to the absolute &lt;i&gt;necessity&lt;/i&gt; of a stable rule of law for expeditiously resolving disputes. I&#039;m no free market ideologue, far from it, but I at least know that.

As to point two, first I have a question. Why does it seem like such an obvious necessity these days to those who lean progressive to connect every other negative event on the planet to the American invasion of Iraq, our pursuit of terrorists, and the general notion that America is the primary source of negative global outcomes?

Can&#039;t we at least &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/i&gt; a discussion about this issue by acknowledging that this is primarily a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and then move on to notice that throughout most of recent history, even when America was closely focused on the Soviet union/Russia, they generally have managed to do what they wanted to do even when it wasn&#039;t what we wanted them to do?

The argument that if only America wasn&#039;t distracted by X it could have quickly fixed Y is IMO an easy, weak, and crappy argument, and a poor substitute for genuine insight and plausible solutions. Diplomacy is like cat herding. Contra you suggestion, passion, committment,  and focus do not make cat herding that much more successful. Just as often, they get you a scratch on the arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK let me get this straight. The story is that Russia has shut off natural gas supplies to Ukraine. And as analysis, your intelligent comments are directed at the following points:</p>
<p>â€¢complaining about the ideology that suggests free markets have merit</p>
<p>â€¢suggesting that if only America had not invaded Iraq an pursued terrorists, we&#8217;d be in a better spot to make Russia do what WE want</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty weak. As to point one, please notice or recall that a HUGE part of free market ideology, such as it is, speaks directly to the absolute <i>necessity</i> of a stable rule of law for expeditiously resolving disputes. I&#8217;m no free market ideologue, far from it, but I at least know that.</p>
<p>As to point two, first I have a question. Why does it seem like such an obvious necessity these days to those who lean progressive to connect every other negative event on the planet to the American invasion of Iraq, our pursuit of terrorists, and the general notion that America is the primary source of negative global outcomes?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we at least <i>start</i> a discussion about this issue by acknowledging that this is primarily a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and then move on to notice that throughout most of recent history, even when America was closely focused on the Soviet union/Russia, they generally have managed to do what they wanted to do even when it wasn&#8217;t what we wanted them to do?</p>
<p>The argument that if only America wasn&#8217;t distracted by X it could have quickly fixed Y is IMO an easy, weak, and crappy argument, and a poor substitute for genuine insight and plausible solutions. Diplomacy is like cat herding. Contra you suggestion, passion, committment,  and focus do not make cat herding that much more successful. Just as often, they get you a scratch on the arm.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But hey, ya gotta love those free markets, eh? Free to do anything they damn well pleaseâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t get that line.  Russia&#039;s state-owned Natural Gas company takes orders from the Kremlin to cut off supplies to Europe for political reasons.  I&#039;m assuming you support free markets in this case, since this problem never would have arose in the first place under a free-market system?  (Actually I&#039;m not assuming that, because I believe you are just blowing a lot of hot air.)
&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m so glad we ignored Russia the past 8 years and focused instead on detaining and torturing people who may or may not have boasted they knew how to build a shoe bomb for six year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don&#039;t worry, Obama will re-open the embassy in Russia, and finally assign an embassador there, and all those maps in the white house that don&#039;t have Russia on them will be replaced.  

I&#039;m actually glad Obama didn&#039;t say anything substantial about Israel/Palestine as he might have &quot;lost focus&quot; on the Ukraine Issue, which of course, the United States can resolve easily and quickly (somehow, I don&#039;t know how but Obama probably does), as long as the executive branch doesn&#039;t address other issues like what to do when you capture terrorist suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But hey, ya gotta love those free markets, eh? Free to do anything they damn well pleaseâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t get that line.  Russia&#8217;s state-owned Natural Gas company takes orders from the Kremlin to cut off supplies to Europe for political reasons.  I&#8217;m assuming you support free markets in this case, since this problem never would have arose in the first place under a free-market system?  (Actually I&#8217;m not assuming that, because I believe you are just blowing a lot of hot air.)</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m so glad we ignored Russia the past 8 years and focused instead on detaining and torturing people who may or may not have boasted they knew how to build a shoe bomb for six year.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, Obama will re-open the embassy in Russia, and finally assign an embassador there, and all those maps in the white house that don&#8217;t have Russia on them will be replaced.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually glad Obama didn&#8217;t say anything substantial about Israel/Palestine as he might have &#8220;lost focus&#8221; on the Ukraine Issue, which of course, the United States can resolve easily and quickly (somehow, I don&#8217;t know how but Obama probably does), as long as the executive branch doesn&#8217;t address other issues like what to do when you capture terrorist suspects.</p>
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