@david – Keep it civil. You can have a discussion without demonizing others. And if you can’t, please leave.

Where have I said anything that even remotely resembles the moronic drivel of your last post?

When you said: “Yup, but he kept right on blindly supporting him, just like you”

BTW, what did Bush do that you agreed with?

I’m with ASC on that one, where he said: “What is most fascinating (and disappointing) about Bush is not the trouble he caused so much as his inability to react competently to the trouble caused by others.” Bush didn’t live up to the standards people expect from a republican president. Of course, the Obama camp is spewing out rhetoric to try to lower standards for himself, since the writing on the wall is easy to read. It was Bush’s incompitence that was the biggest problem, along with his propensity to sign any spending bill that was put on his desk by Congress.

However, he did lower taxes, appointed 2 excellent judges to the SCOUTUS, recognized that there is a real war against Islamic fascism, took that fight overseas where it belongs, won the war in Iraq which began in 1991, ended the civil war in Sierra Leone (I bet you didn’t hear about that one), provided the support to Colombia to wipe out FARC for good, opened trade relations with developing nations like India and Brazil, got Lybia to abandon its nuclear weapons program, Got Israel to evacuate 750 thousand Jewish settlers from the West Bank and Gaza, captured Khalid Sheik Mohammad – the mastermind of 9/11, dismantled the A.Q. Khan network… maybe there are a few that I’m forgetting. He was also a great president for those of us involved in the pro-life movement, and we will be eternally greatful for that.

Oh, and i have nothing against “A-rabs” as you call them. I have never used that term in my life, it came from your mind, not mine. I have a problem with the philosophy, ideology and moral code known as Islam. Any reasonable, open minded progressive who is skeptical of religion would share my views – which proves that you, david, are not one of them.

Apparently, if you elect a politician for office as one of only 2 choices, it seems criticism for any of the thousands of decisions on the multitudes of political issues is unwarranted.

What do you do if Obama makes decisions on most issues in a manner that you would prefer over the other candidate, but not every issue? will you call for his impeachment?

What if the other choice in the election wasn’t a whole lot different on that particular issue? What will you do when you find out politics is complicated?

Yup, but he kept right on blindly supporting him, just like you. See, that’s all you psuedo conservatives have, words. Claiming to be fiscally responsible while electing scum that says “debt doesn’t matter”. You don’t watch him…….riiiiiight. It would sure be refreshing if you tried actually telling the truth just once.

Who pushed us to support the financial bailout without accountability? Who went on television telling us our economy would fail if not approved? Who approved the automotive bailout without discussion or debate? Where was the “shred of skepticism” during these actions? Obama came in saying he would get this package through quickly and he’s working toward meeting that pledge along with an unprecedented level of transparency rather than behind closed doors. He’s doing it with the majority of support in the public and in the government and with advisory help from acknowledged experts rather than ideologs. Why did Justin, and many of the voting public, rail against the last 8 years and support this administration now? It’s apparent to those who do support it.

And finally, what did the 5 trillion additional debt from the last 8 years buy us? Better highways, bridges, primary and secondary schools? Did it make our banks safer and protect our life savings? Did it resolve the issues with social security? Medicare? Are we stronger in manufacturing technology? How about science and math? What did we get for this incredibly, unbelievably enormous debt?

On a side: Jimmy I think a little civic education is just what this country needs to get it off the couch and start acting like the nation it once was.

I love how the GOP is now so fiscally conservative–where were they the last 8 years…oh yes, spending money like drunk sailors

Somehow I don’t seem to recall conservatives championing pork-barrel spending when republicans were doing it. Did you get that “drunken sailors” line from Rush Limbaugh?

Even Sean Hannity said about president Bush, “He spends way too much!” This was from a guy who defended the Harriet Myers nomination! (I heard about this from another blog, I swear; do not accuse me of watching that douchebag’s show!)

Maybe you should count how many “civic education programs,” “public health projects,” and “arts and education” projects are included in this $850-billion package before you cheer-cheer anything that comes out of the Obama administration

That is a gross misrepresentation of pork barrel spending I wonder if you even bother doing your homework.

Of the 11,610 pork barrel projects as identified by the Citizens Against Government Waste, let’s take a look at just the biggest pork barreler for 2008–Thad Cochran (ohmigosh, he’s a Republican! Stunner!–but to be fair, there are a number of Dems in the top 10 too)

Anyway, of Cochran’s jaw dropping $892 million pork barrel, almost $64 million was for improving the channel in the Mississippi–OK, you could call that infrastructure I suppose, but then $42 million was for weapon development, $38 million for arts in education, $35 million was for development of a data center, $33 million was for civic education programs, $27 million for more waterway work, another $27 million for the southeast regional research institute, another $25 million for public health services, another $24 million for a national writing project…well, I could go on.

Truth is a lot of ear marking has nothing to do with infrastructure–indeed, pet projects for Senators and Congressman are hardly a coordinated national infrastructure improvement plan. Instead, they are what they are–perqs for the home town.

Listen, if you want to be critical of pork barrel spending and wasted spending, I’m right there with you, but somehow this doesn’t read as someone who is really fiscally responsible–it reads like someone who is going to pooh-pooh anything that comes out of an Obama administration.

Let’s take a quick glance

The pork barrel projects themselves haven’t changed – its always under the category of “public infrastructure.”

And hey, fair enough…but you really need to get some new material. I mean, Hitler?

If today we are told that we have no program, then I answer that for the last two years this other Germany has lived only by making inroads on our thought-world. All these plans for the creation of work, for labor service, etc….they come from our program of reconstruction from which they have taken them over imperfectly and incompletely.

http://www.hitler.org/speeches/

“people” are goats that will happily be lead to the slaughter financially and literally sometimes.

I’m just saying what Mencken correct scribed: “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

We haven’t seen good ‘n hard compared to what we have coming. I say that as a friend to those both on my left and right.