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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Scenes from Wingnutville &#171; The Long Goodbye</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-558403</link>
		<dc:creator>Scenes from Wingnutville &#171; The Long Goodbye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reminiscent of uber conservative Pajamas Media. If their revenue model is as successful, expect this mysterious rightie answer to HuffPo to be eating choking on its own dust rather [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Did Joe the Plumber Kill Pajamas Media? &#171; NotionsCapital</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435997</link>
		<dc:creator>Did Joe the Plumber Kill Pajamas Media? &#171; NotionsCapital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Â There were allegations of more mayhem &#8212; arsonÂ (UP IN SMOKE), aggravated assault (KICKED TO THE CURB), littering (DUMPS BLOGGERS) and product liability (FLAMMABLE PAJAMAS). Relatives of the victim are understandably UNHAPPY, especially since the alleged perpetrator is known to have employed a hired gun in the past (I SHOT ROGER&#8217;S TRADEMARK), and they wonder: &#8220;WHERE DID THE PAJAMAS MEDIA MONEY GO?&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Â There were allegations of more mayhem &#8212; arsonÂ (UP IN SMOKE), aggravated assault (KICKED TO THE CURB), littering (DUMPS BLOGGERS) and product liability (FLAMMABLE PAJAMAS). Relatives of the victim are understandably UNHAPPY, especially since the alleged perpetrator is known to have employed a hired gun in the past (I SHOT ROGER&#8217;S TRADEMARK), and they wonder: &#8220;WHERE DID THE PAJAMAS MEDIA MONEY GO?&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435930</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, well, we&#039;re all beautiful to somebody Tim. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, well, we&#8217;re all beautiful to somebody Tim. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Russo</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435925</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justin.....those faces weren&#039;t made for radio.  they were made for the internet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justin&#8230;..those faces weren&#8217;t made for radio.  they were made for the internet!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435920</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey, first off, thank you SO much for sharing this info. It&#039;s invaluable to figuring out what happened. Long story short, I remain convinced that PJM execs are not giving you all the full story.

Dan, this does indeed change a lot and I&#039;ll be sharing an extensive breakdown of this situation tomorrow morning. The post is extensive, but I think it proves my previous assertion that for PJM to be running at a loss from day one is almost inconceivable from a business standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey, first off, thank you SO much for sharing this info. It&#8217;s invaluable to figuring out what happened. Long story short, I remain convinced that PJM execs are not giving you all the full story.</p>
<p>Dan, this does indeed change a lot and I&#8217;ll be sharing an extensive breakdown of this situation tomorrow morning. The post is extensive, but I think it proves my previous assertion that for PJM to be running at a loss from day one is almost inconceivable from a business standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435917</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey, that changes a lot.   Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey, that changes a lot.   Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Where Did The Pajamas Media Money Go? at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435916</link>
		<dc:creator>Where Did The Pajamas Media Money Go? at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mickey D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without going into the specifics (it would violate what&#039;s left of my contract), I can tell you that payment was made per 1000 impressions, and that a sliding scale was used. The most paid was $2.  To reach that, one had to have over a million impressions in that quarter. Below 100K impressions, and your received nada.

What this means is that sites like IP and Malkin consumed an awful lot of the money.  Good for them, bad for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without going into the specifics (it would violate what&#8217;s left of my contract), I can tell you that payment was made per 1000 impressions, and that a sliding scale was used. The most paid was $2.  To reach that, one had to have over a million impressions in that quarter. Below 100K impressions, and your received nada.</p>
<p>What this means is that sites like IP and Malkin consumed an awful lot of the money.  Good for them, bad for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin -- I heard elsewhere that the $4-7 amount was what was passed to bloggers.  Either way, they had to do something like that, as no one is going to give away an exclusive sales relationship (and assumedly, comscore credit) for nothing.  Guaranteeing payment in that type of world is very common, although typically it&#039;s done in ways which limit the hit the network may take.

One network I talked to offered $3 CPM, guaranteed, but if you read through the contract, it didn&#039;t quite work that way.  They estimated the # of impressions you could serve for a year, and wrote you checks in four installments at that impression amount times the $3 CPM.   You agreed to send them at least that many impressions throughout the year.   

But that check was as an advance against a rev share.  So unless the network was able to consistently sell ads at &gt;$5 CPM ($3 to publisher after share), there&#039;d be unused parts of that advance after the threshold impression number lapsed.  As this was an exclusive contract save for direct sales sourced by the publisher, all impressions after the threshold one had a value of $0.

That may sound onerous, but for larger publishers, it isn&#039;t.  If I&#039;m doing 10MM impressions a month, guaranteeing $30k in monthly revenue is probably a huge win for me.  And the odds of me having a month with 3x impressions is virtually zero.  

On the other hand, for small publishers, it&#039;s a big risk.  Let&#039;s say you&#039;re doing 150k impressions/month.  Guaranteeing yourself $5k in annual revenue is great.  But you could very easily have a day where one of your posts goes absolutely crazy and draws 250k itself.  Or maybe your blog traffic grows and suddenly you&#039;re doing 500k imp/mo.  All that growth just lowers your effective CPM.  Kinda sucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8212; I heard elsewhere that the $4-7 amount was what was passed to bloggers.  Either way, they had to do something like that, as no one is going to give away an exclusive sales relationship (and assumedly, comscore credit) for nothing.  Guaranteeing payment in that type of world is very common, although typically it&#8217;s done in ways which limit the hit the network may take.</p>
<p>One network I talked to offered $3 CPM, guaranteed, but if you read through the contract, it didn&#8217;t quite work that way.  They estimated the # of impressions you could serve for a year, and wrote you checks in four installments at that impression amount times the $3 CPM.   You agreed to send them at least that many impressions throughout the year.   </p>
<p>But that check was as an advance against a rev share.  So unless the network was able to consistently sell ads at &gt;$5 CPM ($3 to publisher after share), there&#8217;d be unused parts of that advance after the threshold impression number lapsed.  As this was an exclusive contract save for direct sales sourced by the publisher, all impressions after the threshold one had a value of $0.</p>
<p>That may sound onerous, but for larger publishers, it isn&#8217;t.  If I&#8217;m doing 10MM impressions a month, guaranteeing $30k in monthly revenue is probably a huge win for me.  And the odds of me having a month with 3x impressions is virtually zero.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, for small publishers, it&#8217;s a big risk.  Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re doing 150k impressions/month.  Guaranteeing yourself $5k in annual revenue is great.  But you could very easily have a day where one of your posts goes absolutely crazy and draws 250k itself.  Or maybe your blog traffic grows and suddenly you&#8217;re doing 500k imp/mo.  All that growth just lowers your effective CPM.  Kinda sucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435906</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim...

Whoa. :-)

Yeah, who wouldn&#039;t want to pay $25 a month to see those all-stars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230;</p>
<p>Whoa. :-)</p>
<p>Yeah, who wouldn&#8217;t want to pay $25 a month to see those all-stars?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

I didn&#039;t say they were paying out $4-$7CPM to their bloggers. I&#039;m saying they were charging $5.50 CPM to their advertisers and most likely selling 50% of their space and then giving a portion of that to their bloggers. But your numbers are sobering if they did indeed &lt;i&gt;guarantee&lt;/i&gt; payment, which I think we both can agree would have been HIGHLY foolish.

I&#039;ve followed the Glam situation very closely, but I&#039;ve also followed Break Media, which had a banner year. Either way I think the shop was obviously mismanaged in some respects.</description>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t say they were paying out $4-$7CPM to their bloggers. I&#8217;m saying they were charging $5.50 CPM to their advertisers and most likely selling 50% of their space and then giving a portion of that to their bloggers. But your numbers are sobering if they did indeed <i>guarantee</i> payment, which I think we both can agree would have been HIGHLY foolish.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve followed the Glam situation very closely, but I&#8217;ve also followed Break Media, which had a banner year. Either way I think the shop was obviously mismanaged in some respects.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no affiliation w/PJM whatsoever.  I follow ad networks, though, having negotiated a number of contracts there.  There is *no way whatsoever* that PJM was able to fork over $4 to $7 CPM and not do so at a loss.   

If you need evidence of that, check out the history of Glam, a fashion/lifestyle network, and specifically http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/29/glam-makes-big-cuts-in-publisher-payments-up-to-80-drop-in-revenue/

The basic idea behind these networks is to buy exclusive rights on a blog at a premium (that is, at a loss for the network) in order to get to scale.  You aggregate millions of unique visitors per month, targeting a specific demographic.  Once you hit scale, everything is easier, including selling ads and finding ways to get more impressions for a lower CPM from publishers -- that&#039;s the sweet spot.  Then, and only then, are you going to profit.

Given the numbers -- $4 to $7 CPM and only 29MM pv/month -- I&#039;d be shocked if PJM were running anything other than a horrific loss.   Let&#039;s say they had a well-optimized remnant chain ($1 CPM) and in a below average month, sold 50% at $3 CPM.  (I think those assumptions are on the high end, for what it&#039;s worth.)  Let&#039;s also assume that they paid out $4 CPM that month, also assuming best case scenario for PJM&#039;s profitability.  That&#039;s a loss of 29k*$2 = $58,000 that month.  One could imagine that happening 4x a year, with few if any significantly profitable months.  Even conservatively, PJM was probably running a loss in the hundreds of thousands of dollars **just to acquire ad space**.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no affiliation w/PJM whatsoever.  I follow ad networks, though, having negotiated a number of contracts there.  There is *no way whatsoever* that PJM was able to fork over $4 to $7 CPM and not do so at a loss.   </p>
<p>If you need evidence of that, check out the history of Glam, a fashion/lifestyle network, and specifically <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/29/glam-makes-big-cuts-in-publisher-payments-up-to-80-drop-in-revenue/" >http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/29/glam-makes-big-cuts-in-publisher-payments-up-to-80-drop-in-revenue/</a></p>
<p>The basic idea behind these networks is to buy exclusive rights on a blog at a premium (that is, at a loss for the network) in order to get to scale.  You aggregate millions of unique visitors per month, targeting a specific demographic.  Once you hit scale, everything is easier, including selling ads and finding ways to get more impressions for a lower CPM from publishers &#8212; that&#8217;s the sweet spot.  Then, and only then, are you going to profit.</p>
<p>Given the numbers &#8212; $4 to $7 CPM and only 29MM pv/month &#8212; I&#8217;d be shocked if PJM were running anything other than a horrific loss.   Let&#8217;s say they had a well-optimized remnant chain ($1 CPM) and in a below average month, sold 50% at $3 CPM.  (I think those assumptions are on the high end, for what it&#8217;s worth.)  Let&#8217;s also assume that they paid out $4 CPM that month, also assuming best case scenario for PJM&#8217;s profitability.  That&#8217;s a loss of 29k*$2 = $58,000 that month.  One could imagine that happening 4x a year, with few if any significantly profitable months.  Even conservatively, PJM was probably running a loss in the hundreds of thousands of dollars **just to acquire ad space**.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty funny that a conservative website operation ran out of money.  Seeing any parallels with the conservatives running the country?  These guys talk a huge &quot;capitalism&quot; game, but when it comes to doing it themselves, they&#039;re as bankrupt as academics and economists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty funny that a conservative website operation ran out of money.  Seeing any parallels with the conservatives running the country?  These guys talk a huge &#8220;capitalism&#8221; game, but when it comes to doing it themselves, they&#8217;re as bankrupt as academics and economists.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like a dream come true. The herding and cliff-diving that marked all analysis and policy from the Right the last 8 years now expresses itself anew, in the economics of one of their mightiest blog networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like a dream come true. The herding and cliff-diving that marked all analysis and policy from the Right the last 8 years now expresses itself anew, in the economics of one of their mightiest blog networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Russo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>want a look at their faces made for radio?  ohio style?

http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/01/tom-blumer-just-lost-a-few-pennies-pajamas-media-dies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>want a look at their faces made for radio?  ohio style?</p>
<p><a href="http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/01/tom-blumer-just-lost-a-few-pennies-pajamas-media-dies" >http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/01/tom-blumer-just-lost-a-few-pennies-pajamas-media-dies</a></p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Pajamas Media Ad Network Goes Belly Up &#171; News America Now</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435899</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Pajamas Media Ad Network Goes Belly Up &#171; News America Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conservative Pajamas Media Ad Network Goes Belly Up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pajamas Media Fallout Continues</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435890</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pajamas Media Fallout Continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I reported how the numbers behind the demise of the PJM ad network didn&#8217;t seem to add up, and now a very [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Crossed Pond &#187; The Ongoing Debacle that is Pajamas Media</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/comment-page-1/#comment-435873</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crossed Pond &#187; The Ongoing Debacle that is Pajamas Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justin Gardner puts up a post about the recent ad-revenue hissy fit from PJM owner. Worth a read.   posted in: Main [...]</description>
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