Comments on: Quote Of The Day – Winners And Losers http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:05:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kt Davis http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-436628 Kt Davis Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:12:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=13497#comment-436628 One interesting aspect to the "Winner/Loser" question is that of bipartisanship. Ultimately, it has ended up a loser in this entire process. Yet, there are many "winners" in this bill as well--namely: homeowners, college students, the unemployed, energy independence. I watched an interesting video that summarizes many different viewpoints on this question at newsy.com. It's worth watching: http://www.newsy.com/videos/u_s_winners_losers/ One interesting aspect to the “Winner/Loser” question is that of bipartisanship. Ultimately, it has ended up a loser in this entire process. Yet, there are many “winners” in this bill as well–namely: homeowners, college students, the unemployed, energy independence. I watched an interesting video that summarizes many different viewpoints on this question at newsy.com. It’s worth watching:

http://www.newsy.com/videos/u_s_winners_losers/

]]> By: Nick Benjamin http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-436496 Nick Benjamin Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:28:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=13497#comment-436496 Why would Obama try to depose Nancy Pelosi? The House did exactly what Obama wanted. As did Nancy Pelosi. Even her 'shrillness' suits him. You know those plans people had to cut taxes? There's no way those get a vote in Pelosi's house, which means that those schemes are wastes of paper. The only stimulus plan that matters is the one Obama wrote, because that's the only one that's gonna get anywhere in the House. Even if he was angry with Pelosi he wouldn't try to get her ousted. Thast would annoy women's groups, and most members of Congress too. He'd try to isolate her. Speaker Hastert had very little actual power, so it it possible to isolate a Speaker completely. BTW, have you noticed the evolution of the plan's price? In December it was supposed to be about $800 Billion. The House voted for an $820 Billion package in late January. The 'moderate' Senate package was $838 Billion. The final Bill is $789 Billion. It looks like our boy Barack played everybody perfectly, and ended up with exactly what he wanted in the first place. Why would Obama try to depose Nancy Pelosi? The House did exactly what Obama wanted. As did Nancy Pelosi. Even her ’shrillness’ suits him. You know those plans people had to cut taxes? There’s no way those get a vote in Pelosi’s house, which means that those schemes are wastes of paper. The only stimulus plan that matters is the one Obama wrote, because that’s the only one that’s gonna get anywhere in the House.

Even if he was angry with Pelosi he wouldn’t try to get her ousted. Thast would annoy women’s groups, and most members of Congress too. He’d try to isolate her. Speaker Hastert had very little actual power, so it it possible to isolate a Speaker completely.

BTW, have you noticed the evolution of the plan’s price? In December it was supposed to be about $800 Billion. The House voted for an $820 Billion package in late January. The ‘moderate’ Senate package was $838 Billion. The final Bill is $789 Billion. It looks like our boy Barack played everybody perfectly, and ended up with exactly what he wanted in the first place.

]]> By: kranky kritter http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-436491 kranky kritter Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:16:56 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=13497#comment-436491 My thoughts are that there's a new quote of the day now. <blockquote>We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy,"</blockquote> Judd Gregg, upon withdrawing as Obama's commerce secretary nominee. My thoughts are that there’s a new quote of the day now.

We are functioning from a different set of views on many critical items of policy,”

Judd Gregg, upon withdrawing as Obama’s commerce secretary nominee.

]]> By: Trescml http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-436484 Trescml Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:18:21 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=13497#comment-436484 I agree that Pelosi came out badly in this and I think that given the large majority the Dems have in the House that she will continue to be marginalized in conference committees. It would be a difficult task to get her out of her leadership position and I don't know how much support there would be behind Steny Hoyer. However I think the Republicans came out OK, but not great. First they proved they wouldn't be steamrolled. They got some concessions from Obama but they didn't prevent the stimulus from being passed so they can't be blamed. On the down side they came across as a group that missed the forest for the trees and appeared out of touch with average Americans. The good news is that TARP-II will be a much easier target when any legislation come up for that. I agree that Pelosi came out badly in this and I think that given the large majority the Dems have in the House that she will continue to be marginalized in conference committees. It would be a difficult task to get her out of her leadership position and I don’t know how much support there would be behind Steny Hoyer.

However I think the Republicans came out OK, but not great. First they proved they wouldn’t be steamrolled. They got some concessions from Obama but they didn’t prevent the stimulus from being passed so they can’t be blamed. On the down side they came across as a group that missed the forest for the trees and appeared out of touch with average Americans. The good news is that TARP-II will be a much easier target when any legislation come up for that.

]]> By: martin http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/quote-of-the-day-winners-and-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-436481 martin Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:52:53 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=13497#comment-436481 Senators, Snowe, Collins, and Specter, are the only true Repblican Senators left in Senate. The other are Social Republicans, old dixiecrats, they spend like the old southern democrats, who they really are, and want to tell you how to live your life and vote against the opposition no matter what is at steak. My hat is off to the brave three true republicans. Senators, Snowe, Collins, and Specter, are the only true Repblican Senators left in Senate. The other are Social Republicans, old dixiecrats, they spend like the old southern democrats, who they really are, and want to tell you how to live your life and vote against the opposition no matter what is at steak. My hat is off to the brave three true republicans.

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