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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/03/11/mccain-readies-economic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-437616</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.  I&#039;m going out on a limb to say that the top 400 earners -- make that the top 4000 or more -- will pay precious little in added taxes no matter what rates are hiked.  These guys will simply ramp up their tax avoidance strategies; ever hear the phrase, &quot;tax havens?&#039;

Push comes to shove, some of them wil move whole enterprises offshore -- or move themselves to Switzerland for that matter.  I personally know a wealthy entrepreurial famil that has made Geneva their Hq.  

Worse still in the long run, once the recession ends -- and it will end in 6 or 9 months -- if opportunities for investment in the US are flagging for tax or other reasons, investments in China, India, Vietnam, parts of South America, some countries of East Europe, etc. will look even better than they have over the past 15 years.  Even before the recession and the financial crisis, were investors more likely to put their dough in China or Michigan?  

Even the top 40,000 will manage tax hikes fairly well, as larger legions of accoutants find (or invent) all of the &quot;smaller&quot; tax avoidance strategies.

Will will get the bill then.  Mostly the top 400,000 and beyond to the top million or so.  BUT if there isn&#039;t enough money from them at that point -- in 2011 or 2012 -- to pull in the deficits to reasonable levels, there will be three choices:

-- Inflate the curremcy; 

-- Raise taxes on more people; or

-- Cut back spending on the new programs so recently enacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.  I&#8217;m going out on a limb to say that the top 400 earners &#8212; make that the top 4000 or more &#8212; will pay precious little in added taxes no matter what rates are hiked.  These guys will simply ramp up their tax avoidance strategies; ever hear the phrase, &#8220;tax havens?&#8217;</p>
<p>Push comes to shove, some of them wil move whole enterprises offshore &#8212; or move themselves to Switzerland for that matter.  I personally know a wealthy entrepreurial famil that has made Geneva their Hq.  </p>
<p>Worse still in the long run, once the recession ends &#8212; and it will end in 6 or 9 months &#8212; if opportunities for investment in the US are flagging for tax or other reasons, investments in China, India, Vietnam, parts of South America, some countries of East Europe, etc. will look even better than they have over the past 15 years.  Even before the recession and the financial crisis, were investors more likely to put their dough in China or Michigan?  </p>
<p>Even the top 40,000 will manage tax hikes fairly well, as larger legions of accoutants find (or invent) all of the &#8220;smaller&#8221; tax avoidance strategies.</p>
<p>Will will get the bill then.  Mostly the top 400,000 and beyond to the top million or so.  BUT if there isn&#8217;t enough money from them at that point &#8212; in 2011 or 2012 &#8212; to pull in the deficits to reasonable levels, there will be three choices:</p>
<p>&#8211; Inflate the curremcy; </p>
<p>&#8211; Raise taxes on more people; or</p>
<p>&#8211; Cut back spending on the new programs so recently enacted.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/03/11/mccain-readies-economic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-437609</link>
		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that it&#039;s so hard to understand that capital gains are taxed at a lower rate because it induces people -- some very rich, some not so rich -- to risk their money by investing it, mostly in enterprises that grow, create jobs and incomes and contribute more taxes.  

If you have $100,000 in your life savings, will you risk, say, half of it to make such investments?  Are you more or less likely to risk half of it if you expect to pay 35% of any gains in taxes or 15% of any gains?  Make no mistake, the risks are real, as all of us who just saw 50% or more of money we put at risk disappear can testify. 

One can argue, of course, whether a 15% rate is more &quot;unfair&quot; than a 20% rate, but it&#039;s a sterile argument.  The higher the rate, the less likely the risk taking; it&#039;s that simple.  The issue is do we want to encourage people to invest and take risks or not?  If we do, then we should put as few obstacles in the path of the reward they get as possible.  In the current downturn, we should want to increase incentives to invest, not cut them back.

As people get to be insanely rich, like the top 400, they become objects of envy, to be sure.  We insinuate that they aren&#039;t holding up their end, that they must have done something untoward, so why should they have so much.  But for the most part, they were not always so wealthy.  Bill Gates wasn&#039;t.  Sam Walton wasn&#039;t.  Warren Buffett wasn&#039;t.  What these people have in common is that they were more adventurous than I was at a similar age, and willing to put their money and time into some enterprise that could easily have failed, while I either spent or saved or sheltered my income.  They&#039;re being rewarded for that.  Good for them and good for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that it&#8217;s so hard to understand that capital gains are taxed at a lower rate because it induces people &#8212; some very rich, some not so rich &#8212; to risk their money by investing it, mostly in enterprises that grow, create jobs and incomes and contribute more taxes.  </p>
<p>If you have $100,000 in your life savings, will you risk, say, half of it to make such investments?  Are you more or less likely to risk half of it if you expect to pay 35% of any gains in taxes or 15% of any gains?  Make no mistake, the risks are real, as all of us who just saw 50% or more of money we put at risk disappear can testify. </p>
<p>One can argue, of course, whether a 15% rate is more &#8220;unfair&#8221; than a 20% rate, but it&#8217;s a sterile argument.  The higher the rate, the less likely the risk taking; it&#8217;s that simple.  The issue is do we want to encourage people to invest and take risks or not?  If we do, then we should put as few obstacles in the path of the reward they get as possible.  In the current downturn, we should want to increase incentives to invest, not cut them back.</p>
<p>As people get to be insanely rich, like the top 400, they become objects of envy, to be sure.  We insinuate that they aren&#8217;t holding up their end, that they must have done something untoward, so why should they have so much.  But for the most part, they were not always so wealthy.  Bill Gates wasn&#8217;t.  Sam Walton wasn&#8217;t.  Warren Buffett wasn&#8217;t.  What these people have in common is that they were more adventurous than I was at a similar age, and willing to put their money and time into some enterprise that could easily have failed, while I either spent or saved or sheltered my income.  They&#8217;re being rewarded for that.  Good for them and good for us.</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/03/11/mccain-readies-economic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-437608</link>
		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain had his shot at serious insight and meaningful economic leadership last October.  Sorry Sidney, but that ship has sailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain had his shot at serious insight and meaningful economic leadership last October.  Sorry Sidney, but that ship has sailed.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/03/11/mccain-readies-economic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-437592</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...a â€œten pointâ€ plan is a gimmick...&lt;/em&gt;

A gimmick?  In American politics?  The &lt;em&gt;heck&lt;/em&gt; you say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;a â€œten pointâ€ plan is a gimmick&#8230;</em></p>
<p>A gimmick?  In American politics?  The <em>heck</em> you say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And THAT means that nothing in this list is likely to provide much in the way of common ground for the admin to work with the GOP on. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about that. Indeed Iâ€™ll celebrate it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed on that. If McCain can put something together that finds common ground, then great. But something tells me it&#039;s going to be a list of principles, as the post states.

Also, the idea that the wealthy aren&#039;t being asked to sacrifice just a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; bit during such a tough economic time is really disheartening. Hell, I&#039;m even willing to pay more taxes to get some of this stuff done. But before that happens, I want capital gains taxes restored to their pre-2000 levels as well. It&#039;s ludicrous that I pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And THAT means that nothing in this list is likely to provide much in the way of common ground for the admin to work with the GOP on. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about that. Indeed Iâ€™ll celebrate it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed on that. If McCain can put something together that finds common ground, then great. But something tells me it&#8217;s going to be a list of principles, as the post states.</p>
<p>Also, the idea that the wealthy aren&#8217;t being asked to sacrifice just a <i>little</i> bit during such a tough economic time is really disheartening. Hell, I&#8217;m even willing to pay more taxes to get some of this stuff done. But before that happens, I want capital gains taxes restored to their pre-2000 levels as well. It&#8217;s ludicrous that I pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain knows he &lt;i&gt;lost&lt;/i&gt;, right? Just checking.  :-)

I am perfectly willing to keep an open mind about what ends up on this list. But I already know one thing I fully expect: that it won&#039;t really be a list of the most important things for the nation. Because such a list  is bound to &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt;be a marketing/branding strategy for the GOP.

What does that mean? Well, for one thing it means that the things that end up on the list will be geared first towards distinguishing GOP philosophy from democratic approaches. That means that it &lt;i&gt;starts&lt;/i&gt; with the premise that virtually all efforts currently being undertaken by democrats are at best misguided.

And THAT means that nothing in this list is likely to provide much in the way of common ground for the admin to work with the GOP on. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about that. Indeed I&#039;ll celebrate it.

I believe that ultimately a list of important national priorities and approaches to them should lie somewhere between the cant that each party pushes. At this time, I would love to see more of our leaders trying harder to put aside partisan differences for the sake of marginal improvements. Better is surely the enemy of best, but since I usually suspect that &quot;best&quot; is a distortion or simplification being sold by narrow true believers, I am usually willing to settle for better.

So I want to see both sides work together harder than usual to come up with decent improvements in areas that are important national priorities. And I am skeptical that the issuance of a 10 pt manifesto by the minority party will lead to progress in that direction. But we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain knows he <i>lost</i>, right? Just checking.  :-)</p>
<p>I am perfectly willing to keep an open mind about what ends up on this list. But I already know one thing I fully expect: that it won&#8217;t really be a list of the most important things for the nation. Because such a list  is bound to <i>really</i>be a marketing/branding strategy for the GOP.</p>
<p>What does that mean? Well, for one thing it means that the things that end up on the list will be geared first towards distinguishing GOP philosophy from democratic approaches. That means that it <i>starts</i> with the premise that virtually all efforts currently being undertaken by democrats are at best misguided.</p>
<p>And THAT means that nothing in this list is likely to provide much in the way of common ground for the admin to work with the GOP on. I sincerely hope that I am wrong about that. Indeed I&#8217;ll celebrate it.</p>
<p>I believe that ultimately a list of important national priorities and approaches to them should lie somewhere between the cant that each party pushes. At this time, I would love to see more of our leaders trying harder to put aside partisan differences for the sake of marginal improvements. Better is surely the enemy of best, but since I usually suspect that &#8220;best&#8221; is a distortion or simplification being sold by narrow true believers, I am usually willing to settle for better.</p>
<p>So I want to see both sides work together harder than usual to come up with decent improvements in areas that are important national priorities. And I am skeptical that the issuance of a 10 pt manifesto by the minority party will lead to progress in that direction. But we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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