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		<title>By: Duckman</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/04/22/strip-searches-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-452274</link>
		<dc:creator>Duckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, rights?  We have rights?  Our children have rights?  Preposterous...  wait a minute... are you all just a bunch of wacko libertarians?

Seriously, strip searches over something like this?  Just one more step down the conversion of public education into a prison-like atmosphere.  Incredible...  these strip searches should be stopped at the federal, state, and local level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, rights?  We have rights?  Our children have rights?  Preposterous&#8230;  wait a minute&#8230; are you all just a bunch of wacko libertarians?</p>
<p>Seriously, strip searches over something like this?  Just one more step down the conversion of public education into a prison-like atmosphere.  Incredible&#8230;  these strip searches should be stopped at the federal, state, and local level.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/04/22/strip-searches-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-452030</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, whatever happens here, it&#039;s not the end of the road even if Savana loses.  Sure, the SCOTUS justices are obviously clueless about the level of trauma these types of searches can cause, but almost every state in the country has a method of amending state constitutions via the citizens of that state.  If she loses at SCOTUS, we take referendums to our fellow citizens at the next election and prohibit the strip search of any person (other than prison inmates) in the absence of a probable cause and a warrant.  What happened to Savana was absolutely disgusting and wrong, but even if it&#039;s allowed under the federal constitution it doesn&#039;t mean we have to allow it under the constitutions of our states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, whatever happens here, it&#8217;s not the end of the road even if Savana loses.  Sure, the SCOTUS justices are obviously clueless about the level of trauma these types of searches can cause, but almost every state in the country has a method of amending state constitutions via the citizens of that state.  If she loses at SCOTUS, we take referendums to our fellow citizens at the next election and prohibit the strip search of any person (other than prison inmates) in the absence of a probable cause and a warrant.  What happened to Savana was absolutely disgusting and wrong, but even if it&#8217;s allowed under the federal constitution it doesn&#8217;t mean we have to allow it under the constitutions of our states.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/04/22/strip-searches-in-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-452013</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add to all that is said above that a school should never, ever have the right to strip search a child for any reason.  If they are that dangerous law enforcement should be called and take her/him away.  I would also call being strip searched a sexual assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add to all that is said above that a school should never, ever have the right to strip search a child for any reason.  If they are that dangerous law enforcement should be called and take her/him away.  I would also call being strip searched a sexual assault.</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that it was only ibruprofen is relevant, and not only just because it makes this whole episode even more ridiculous. Such broad based zero tolerance rules  can in some ways seem to make sense at first, but they&#039;re really counterproductive. Kids aren&#039;t stupid. If you tell them that possession of ibruprofen is just as serious a problem as possession of an illegal drug, then you&#039;re throwing away your credibility.  You&#039;re telling someone that it&#039;s so dangerous that it can&#039;t be risked having it in school, and then later that day that same individual can see it sitting out on a grocery store shelf, they realize that you&#039;re full of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that it was only ibruprofen is relevant, and not only just because it makes this whole episode even more ridiculous. Such broad based zero tolerance rules  can in some ways seem to make sense at first, but they&#8217;re really counterproductive. Kids aren&#8217;t stupid. If you tell them that possession of ibruprofen is just as serious a problem as possession of an illegal drug, then you&#8217;re throwing away your credibility.  You&#8217;re telling someone that it&#8217;s so dangerous that it can&#8217;t be risked having it in school, and then later that day that same individual can see it sitting out on a grocery store shelf, they realize that you&#8217;re full of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShortWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t imagine why, if this was so important, they didn&#039;t call her parents and/or the cops before strip-searching her....

If we are really going to use the &quot;[deity] forbid someone gets hurt&quot; rule, gym class needs to be permanently canceled. A kid might slip and fall! A kid might get hit with a ball! It&#039;s rare, but now and then you hear about some kid dying in P.E.!

And &quot;Ibuprofen? WTH!&quot; is not an argument. School rules have been &quot;no meds of any kind unless you have a doctors note and the school nurse administers it&quot; for as long as I can remember. Focus instead on the fact that some meathead administrator decided that it was more efficient to STRIP SEARCH a student on the say so of some kid who was already in trouble than to call the kid&#039;s parents. And some equally meathead school superintendent thought this was worth wasting money to take this all the way to the Supreme Court instead of issuing an apology and clarifying some policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still can&#8217;t imagine why, if this was so important, they didn&#8217;t call her parents and/or the cops before strip-searching her&#8230;.</p>
<p>If we are really going to use the &#8220;[deity] forbid someone gets hurt&#8221; rule, gym class needs to be permanently canceled. A kid might slip and fall! A kid might get hit with a ball! It&#8217;s rare, but now and then you hear about some kid dying in P.E.!</p>
<p>And &#8220;Ibuprofen? WTH!&#8221; is not an argument. School rules have been &#8220;no meds of any kind unless you have a doctors note and the school nurse administers it&#8221; for as long as I can remember. Focus instead on the fact that some meathead administrator decided that it was more efficient to STRIP SEARCH a student on the say so of some kid who was already in trouble than to call the kid&#8217;s parents. And some equally meathead school superintendent thought this was worth wasting money to take this all the way to the Supreme Court instead of issuing an apology and clarifying some policies.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exiled said!

We&#039;re largely getting what we deserve with policies like this, BTW. Collectively, the existence of such policies is proof that in general, we think it&#039;s too hard to come up with a comprehensive and sane policy.

At the very least, all parents ought to be allowed to grant permission for the kids to do and have whatever legal things they want when they are at school unless any such item has been banned for a legitimately acknowledged pedagogical reason that has been recognized and approved by some council composed of both school officials and parents.

I&#039;d have no problem with school disallowing games, cell phones, ipods, and so on. But ibuprophen? Any parent willing to sign a consent form allowing their kid to have it &lt;i&gt;and accepting 100% liability if their child shares this medication  with someone else to adverse effect&lt;/i&gt; should be allowed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exiled said!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re largely getting what we deserve with policies like this, BTW. Collectively, the existence of such policies is proof that in general, we think it&#8217;s too hard to come up with a comprehensive and sane policy.</p>
<p>At the very least, all parents ought to be allowed to grant permission for the kids to do and have whatever legal things they want when they are at school unless any such item has been banned for a legitimately acknowledged pedagogical reason that has been recognized and approved by some council composed of both school officials and parents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have no problem with school disallowing games, cell phones, ipods, and so on. But ibuprophen? Any parent willing to sign a consent form allowing their kid to have it <i>and accepting 100% liability if their child shares this medication  with someone else to adverse effect</i> should be allowed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heres a bit more insight from what Souter said:

&quot;But justices worried that allowing a strip search of school age children might lead to more intrusive searches, like body cavity searches. &#039;There would be no legal basis in saying that was out of bounds,&#039; Souter said.&quot;

From: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103326158

This makes me feel a bit better.  It sounds like he at least gets the gravity of the situation, a bit more than the Washington Post article (above) made it sound like anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres a bit more insight from what Souter said:</p>
<p>&#8220;But justices worried that allowing a strip search of school age children might lead to more intrusive searches, like body cavity searches. &#8216;There would be no legal basis in saying that was out of bounds,&#8217; Souter said.&#8221;</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103326158" >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103326158</a></p>
<p>This makes me feel a bit better.  It sounds like he at least gets the gravity of the situation, a bit more than the Washington Post article (above) made it sound like anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hearing about this sickens me.

When did a public school get to be ahead of the law?  Hearsay from a minor hardly constitutes probable cause for any law enforcement agency.  Why does a school administrator get to make this call. I&#039;m not familiar with this case previously, but I&#039;m surprised that the family didn&#039;t press criminal charges on the administration. (Does anyone know if they did, or if it is even possible?)

I, for one, cannot believe that the father did not tear that place up.  Can you imagine getting that phone call from your daughter? I will never surrender my rights, and especially the rights of my family.  And if need be, I will GLADLY stop them physically. 

Ibuprofen. May God help us. Best case scenario for the school here? Make kids wait until after school to go to the drug/grocery/convenience store and pick some up?  Is that worth a strip search? What is happening here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hearing about this sickens me.</p>
<p>When did a public school get to be ahead of the law?  Hearsay from a minor hardly constitutes probable cause for any law enforcement agency.  Why does a school administrator get to make this call. I&#8217;m not familiar with this case previously, but I&#8217;m surprised that the family didn&#8217;t press criminal charges on the administration. (Does anyone know if they did, or if it is even possible?)</p>
<p>I, for one, cannot believe that the father did not tear that place up.  Can you imagine getting that phone call from your daughter? I will never surrender my rights, and especially the rights of my family.  And if need be, I will GLADLY stop them physically. </p>
<p>Ibuprofen. May God help us. Best case scenario for the school here? Make kids wait until after school to go to the drug/grocery/convenience store and pick some up?  Is that worth a strip search? What is happening here?</p>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e64v4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e64v4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Or is it time to close the schools? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most &quot;zero tolerance&quot; policies are mental shorthand that free school administators from any sort of critical thinking, judgement, and decision making.  Patently idiotic.  Souter&#039;s got it wrong here.  One would hope that erosions of personal freedoms would have abated after Emperor George&#039;s reign ended, but obviously the band plays on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; policies are mental shorthand that free school administators from any sort of critical thinking, judgement, and decision making.  Patently idiotic.  Souter&#8217;s got it wrong here.  One would hope that erosions of personal freedoms would have abated after Emperor George&#8217;s reign ended, but obviously the band plays on.</p>
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		<title>By: The Maine View</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Maine View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope she copped an attitude.  It is unfortunate her parents never taught her that you don&#039;t have to listen to authority if they are being unreasonable.  They were going on what some girl said when she herself was caught with pills for crissakes.  I guess conjecture and hearsay are grounds for strip searches now. 

I would hope that my daughters would refuse to be strip searched without knowing the probable cause, having their mother there, and a female law enforcement officer present.  

Lockers, backpacks, and purses are one thing.  Humiliation without having solid proof that you will find something is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope she copped an attitude.  It is unfortunate her parents never taught her that you don&#8217;t have to listen to authority if they are being unreasonable.  They were going on what some girl said when she herself was caught with pills for crissakes.  I guess conjecture and hearsay are grounds for strip searches now. </p>
<p>I would hope that my daughters would refuse to be strip searched without knowing the probable cause, having their mother there, and a female law enforcement officer present.  </p>
<p>Lockers, backpacks, and purses are one thing.  Humiliation without having solid proof that you will find something is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: TerenceC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TerenceC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like BS of course. I&#039;m wondering if she copped an attitude about the farcical request to search and some weak minded administrator at the school didn&#039;t like his authority being questioned by a kid? They certainly went too far though didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like BS of course. I&#8217;m wondering if she copped an attitude about the farcical request to search and some weak minded administrator at the school didn&#8217;t like his authority being questioned by a kid? They certainly went too far though didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike C. - don&#039;t bring religion into this discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike C. &#8211; don&#8217;t bring religion into this discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any pedophiles out there in need of a job?</description>
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