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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,

If we lose anybody to this pandemic it will prove the health system needs replacing. Remember our government alone spends more, per capita, on health care than any other government in the world. It&#039;s not because our population is aging, or we&#039;re rich. Europe and Japan are way older than us, and  we&#039;re not that much richer (per capita) than the rest of the world. We&#039;re actually poorer than Luxembourg and Norway.

Remember that when you defend the status quo. You not only have to prove we&#039;re better than Mexico, and Cuba. You have to prove we&#039;re better than France and Britain. A lot better.

Good luck with that. You&#039;ll probably be able to prove we&#039;re better than Cuba, but the industrialized world does better than us on every measure I can think of. Which means that a) our system is really shitty, as it can&#039;t keep people healthy even when we give it twice the funding the Brits give their system; or b) the entire world is lying to make us look bad.

Cue Glenn Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,</p>
<p>If we lose anybody to this pandemic it will prove the health system needs replacing. Remember our government alone spends more, per capita, on health care than any other government in the world. It&#8217;s not because our population is aging, or we&#8217;re rich. Europe and Japan are way older than us, and  we&#8217;re not that much richer (per capita) than the rest of the world. We&#8217;re actually poorer than Luxembourg and Norway.</p>
<p>Remember that when you defend the status quo. You not only have to prove we&#8217;re better than Mexico, and Cuba. You have to prove we&#8217;re better than France and Britain. A lot better.</p>
<p>Good luck with that. You&#8217;ll probably be able to prove we&#8217;re better than Cuba, but the industrialized world does better than us on every measure I can think of. Which means that a) our system is really shitty, as it can&#8217;t keep people healthy even when we give it twice the funding the Brits give their system; or b) the entire world is lying to make us look bad.</p>
<p>Cue Glenn Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich:

You might want to wait for some actual scientific data before you leap astride your hobby horse and ride it around the ring.

Let&#039;s wait and see whether this swine flu is dismbiguated from some other illness in Mexico.  Just to take one possibility.  Or find out whether the virus has mutated after its initial strike.  Or whether there might have been different methods of transmission resulting in different effects.

It&#039;s a bit early to decide that this is cause for yelling about the health care system more broadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich:</p>
<p>You might want to wait for some actual scientific data before you leap astride your hobby horse and ride it around the ring.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s wait and see whether this swine flu is dismbiguated from some other illness in Mexico.  Just to take one possibility.  Or find out whether the virus has mutated after its initial strike.  Or whether there might have been different methods of transmission resulting in different effects.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit early to decide that this is cause for yelling about the health care system more broadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;thereâ€™s no understanding yet as to why there have been so many deaths in Mexico while all those infected in the U.S. have recovered.&quot;

Yeah, because we all know that the US has the absolute WORST healthcare system in the world.  Just look - Cuba has no reported swine flu cases!!  Just another reason why we need to duplicate their healthcare system here!!!

Are you serious?!?  &quot;No understanding&quot; why there are swine flu deaths in a developing country but no deaths in the US??

Maybe we really DO need to adopt Hillarycare/Obamacare in the US....after all, it would be downright arrogant of the US citizens to recover from swine flu while other great countries let thier citizens die....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;thereâ€™s no understanding yet as to why there have been so many deaths in Mexico while all those infected in the U.S. have recovered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, because we all know that the US has the absolute WORST healthcare system in the world.  Just look &#8211; Cuba has no reported swine flu cases!!  Just another reason why we need to duplicate their healthcare system here!!!</p>
<p>Are you serious?!?  &#8220;No understanding&#8221; why there are swine flu deaths in a developing country but no deaths in the US??</p>
<p>Maybe we really DO need to adopt Hillarycare/Obamacare in the US&#8230;.after all, it would be downright arrogant of the US citizens to recover from swine flu while other great countries let thier citizens die&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Trescml</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trescml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest issues will arise when people in the US start dying (and it will likely happen in opinion).  People don&#039;t blink at the 30,000 plus that die from the flu each year, but when whipped up into a frenzy can force actions that are worse than the actual disease.   This should be watched carefully and contingency plans need to be dusted off quickly, but I agree Alan that the press has a role to be informative without going overboard for the sake of ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest issues will arise when people in the US start dying (and it will likely happen in opinion).  People don&#8217;t blink at the 30,000 plus that die from the flu each year, but when whipped up into a frenzy can force actions that are worse than the actual disease.   This should be watched carefully and contingency plans need to be dusted off quickly, but I agree Alan that the press has a role to be informative without going overboard for the sake of ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and no HHS Secretary, Thanks again Party to NO where</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and no HHS Secretary, Thanks again Party to NO where</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Disease Vectors (Updated)</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/04/27/on-pandemics-and-panic/comment-page-1/#comment-453121</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Disease Vectors (Updated)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justin Gardner posts in a similar vein: No one knows how serious this strain of flu is and thereâ€™s no understanding yet as to why there have been so many deaths in Mexico while all those infected in the U.S. have recovered. But we canâ€™t just concern ourselves with the potential for catastrophic deaths, we must also concern ourselves with the potential for panic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Justin Gardner posts in a similar vein: No one knows how serious this strain of flu is and thereâ€™s no understanding yet as to why there have been so many deaths in Mexico while all those infected in the U.S. have recovered. But we canâ€™t just concern ourselves with the potential for catastrophic deaths, we must also concern ourselves with the potential for panic. [...]</p>
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