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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the days when you had to pay for a clinic visit up front?  When health insurance was a luxury and not a right?  In those days, a person didn&#039;t go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary because you were held accountable for the entire bill.

What I see happening today is an abuse of health care coverage by those who are covered.  At least back in the day, because a person had to pay the bill, they were a little more discerning about illnesses that required a doctors attention and sicknesses, such as a common cold,  that could be cured at home.  It seems people run to the doctor for every little thing these days, from having the &quot;blues&quot;, or the sniffles, or an ingrown toe nail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the days when you had to pay for a clinic visit up front?  When health insurance was a luxury and not a right?  In those days, a person didn&#8217;t go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary because you were held accountable for the entire bill.</p>
<p>What I see happening today is an abuse of health care coverage by those who are covered.  At least back in the day, because a person had to pay the bill, they were a little more discerning about illnesses that required a doctors attention and sicknesses, such as a common cold,  that could be cured at home.  It seems people run to the doctor for every little thing these days, from having the &#8220;blues&#8221;, or the sniffles, or an ingrown toe nail.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do doctors deserve to be paid well??  Damn right they do!! I guarantee that the idiots who had the nerve to compare the stress of a janitor to a doctor could never dream of making the sacrifices that a physician has to make to do what they do. Doctors have to complete an average of 8-12 years of schooling, they work insane hours with very high stress, sacrificing personal time and time away from their families to save lives! Most doctors acquire 250K+++ in student loan debt and have 30K++ for malpractice insurance to worry about! There are very few people who can make these life sacrifices and to those who do they damn well deserve to be compensated for it!!  As the doctors on here pointed out...the amount that a doctor makes now a days is barely enough to cover the acquired student loan debts, overhead costs, malpractice premiums, and God forbid they want to have a mortgage and feed their families!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do doctors deserve to be paid well??  Damn right they do!! I guarantee that the idiots who had the nerve to compare the stress of a janitor to a doctor could never dream of making the sacrifices that a physician has to make to do what they do. Doctors have to complete an average of 8-12 years of schooling, they work insane hours with very high stress, sacrificing personal time and time away from their families to save lives! Most doctors acquire 250K+++ in student loan debt and have 30K++ for malpractice insurance to worry about! There are very few people who can make these life sacrifices and to those who do they damn well deserve to be compensated for it!!  As the doctors on here pointed out&#8230;the amount that a doctor makes now a days is barely enough to cover the acquired student loan debts, overhead costs, malpractice premiums, and God forbid they want to have a mortgage and feed their families!!</p>
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		<title>By: Izza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my own opinion, doctors deserves a higher remuneration because what they done is very risky. Their task is not just an ordinary duty, they are also held responsible  of their patient&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my own opinion, doctors deserves a higher remuneration because what they done is very risky. Their task is not just an ordinary duty, they are also held responsible  of their patient&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Nephron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nephron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a specialist and I don&#039;t make anywhere close to $400K.  You people are deluding yourselves.

There is a four-headed problem here: Insurance companies, lawyers, doctors and patients.

Right now, I&#039;ve been threatened with a lawsuit if I stop treating a brain dead woman in my ICU.  She&#039;s been brain dead for almost three weeks and (by my rough estimate) has probably run up close to $100,000 in medical bills.  All of this because the family is waiting for God to perform his miracle.

To the residents and students above.  Save your breath.  Nobody gives a damn about me or you.  I gave my whole life to my patients and they took and took and took.  Medicare just sent me a check for $5.67 for one hour&#039;s work.   Seems like people are very comfortable telling us what exactly a year of doctor&#039;s work is worth.  If my house floods and I need a plumber....I&#039;m paying what he&#039;s charging (which is more than I make an hour).

I&#039;ve also trained foreign medical graduates for the last ten years and if the kiddie book author thinks that the answer is to let more of them practice here...oh boy, I can&#039;t wait til they can&#039;t figure his appendix from his pons.  Medical school in most other nations is free....and it shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a specialist and I don&#8217;t make anywhere close to $400K.  You people are deluding yourselves.</p>
<p>There is a four-headed problem here: Insurance companies, lawyers, doctors and patients.</p>
<p>Right now, I&#8217;ve been threatened with a lawsuit if I stop treating a brain dead woman in my ICU.  She&#8217;s been brain dead for almost three weeks and (by my rough estimate) has probably run up close to $100,000 in medical bills.  All of this because the family is waiting for God to perform his miracle.</p>
<p>To the residents and students above.  Save your breath.  Nobody gives a damn about me or you.  I gave my whole life to my patients and they took and took and took.  Medicare just sent me a check for $5.67 for one hour&#8217;s work.   Seems like people are very comfortable telling us what exactly a year of doctor&#8217;s work is worth.  If my house floods and I need a plumber&#8230;.I&#8217;m paying what he&#8217;s charging (which is more than I make an hour).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also trained foreign medical graduates for the last ten years and if the kiddie book author thinks that the answer is to let more of them practice here&#8230;oh boy, I can&#8217;t wait til they can&#8217;t figure his appendix from his pons.  Medical school in most other nations is free&#8230;.and it shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most US Doctors aren&#039;t GPs. Most are specialists. AFAIK nobody claims GPs are underpaid.

A $400,000 specialist is making as much as the President. He&#039;s also making four times  as much as GPs, despite the fact that every economic study I&#039;ve ever seen says a GP is more valuable than almost any specialist.

They see more patients, which saves more lives. They keep people from getting sick, which saves lives and money. They actually bring in the same revenue to a hospital that a neurosurgeon does.

So the theory is that if you cut specialist pay by quite a bit, used some of the money to increase GP pay, used more to deal with idiotic Med-School costs, you&#039;d still have cash left over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most US Doctors aren&#8217;t GPs. Most are specialists. AFAIK nobody claims GPs are underpaid.</p>
<p>A $400,000 specialist is making as much as the President. He&#8217;s also making four times  as much as GPs, despite the fact that every economic study I&#8217;ve ever seen says a GP is more valuable than almost any specialist.</p>
<p>They see more patients, which saves more lives. They keep people from getting sick, which saves lives and money. They actually bring in the same revenue to a hospital that a neurosurgeon does.</p>
<p>So the theory is that if you cut specialist pay by quite a bit, used some of the money to increase GP pay, used more to deal with idiotic Med-School costs, you&#8217;d still have cash left over.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Vomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Vomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in the world could people be saying that doctors today earn too much money? For all the many years of medical school and training for a career meant to save your lives and mine, are people saying they don&#039;t deserve to earn good money? Those are ridiculous statements. Doctors today are in fact being so underpaid. Family practice physicians make just a little over $100,000 in many states meanwhile we have the Wall Street guys who make 2x the amount but of course, no one says anything.  Why is it that we judge and complain about doctors making the money when they have spent a good amount of their lives studying for it? Eight to twelve years of studying and training in medicine is undervalued and underappreciated by so many today. How many of you can say you could do the workload, the so many grueling hours of work, and years of studying that doctors have had to put to get to where they are today? There is a reason why some can and do it and others who just complain/comment about them because they couldn&#039;t and didn&#039;t want to endure all those years of studying and training.   

And now what happens to the medical students today who in 10yrs will have their own practice? I guess for all their years of hard work and studying, people would rather just see doctors make $50,000 or less.  So I guess today what we want is the less you were in school, the more you should make and the more you studied in school, the less you should make.  That makes sense to me.  Doctors no longer make the &#039;BIG BUCKS&#039; as people may think. That era has long been gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world could people be saying that doctors today earn too much money? For all the many years of medical school and training for a career meant to save your lives and mine, are people saying they don&#8217;t deserve to earn good money? Those are ridiculous statements. Doctors today are in fact being so underpaid. Family practice physicians make just a little over $100,000 in many states meanwhile we have the Wall Street guys who make 2x the amount but of course, no one says anything.  Why is it that we judge and complain about doctors making the money when they have spent a good amount of their lives studying for it? Eight to twelve years of studying and training in medicine is undervalued and underappreciated by so many today. How many of you can say you could do the workload, the so many grueling hours of work, and years of studying that doctors have had to put to get to where they are today? There is a reason why some can and do it and others who just complain/comment about them because they couldn&#8217;t and didn&#8217;t want to endure all those years of studying and training.   </p>
<p>And now what happens to the medical students today who in 10yrs will have their own practice? I guess for all their years of hard work and studying, people would rather just see doctors make $50,000 or less.  So I guess today what we want is the less you were in school, the more you should make and the more you studied in school, the less you should make.  That makes sense to me.  Doctors no longer make the &#8216;BIG BUCKS&#8217; as people may think. That era has long been gone.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lost confidense in Drs lately. My husband started having small seizures back in Dec and had 3 since then. Hes had the MRI, 3 EEGs, Cardio Event Monitor, Blood work etc, now they want to do another MRI. He has medicare which doesn&#039;t pay all and we live on 811.00 a month so how can we afford a supplement? I don&#039;t like the healthcare plan Obama has but it seems Drs, Hosps etc could see that seniors can not afford to pay out of pocket especially when a bout with cancer wiped us out in 1991 and we had ins then that paid 95% of all bills.
I do feel for Drs having to pay the malpractice ins they have to and when you think about all the overhead, equipment, hired help etc doesn&#039;t seem theres much left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lost confidense in Drs lately. My husband started having small seizures back in Dec and had 3 since then. Hes had the MRI, 3 EEGs, Cardio Event Monitor, Blood work etc, now they want to do another MRI. He has medicare which doesn&#8217;t pay all and we live on 811.00 a month so how can we afford a supplement? I don&#8217;t like the healthcare plan Obama has but it seems Drs, Hosps etc could see that seniors can not afford to pay out of pocket especially when a bout with cancer wiped us out in 1991 and we had ins then that paid 95% of all bills.<br />
I do feel for Drs having to pay the malpractice ins they have to and when you think about all the overhead, equipment, hired help etc doesn&#8217;t seem theres much left.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am entering my fourth year of medical school.  I then plan to do a 6 year residency.  I will have over 14 year of higher level education.  Next year I have the &quot;match&quot; and I will be assigned to some residency program anywhere in the country by a lottery system.  I am looking at my friends who are starting families and I realize the sacrifice I am making for this career.  I already work 15 hour days and additionally spend everyother night in the hospital.  The relationships between my family and significant other are constantly strained.  I love medicine.  I dont think a person could survive unless there was some alltruistic undertone to their character.  US doctors are the best in the world, we have the most highly trained medical proffesionals.  The problem with healthcare is the people we provide it to.  We have a very &#039;sick&#039; baseline population.  Why dont we ban ciggarettes?  Why dont we go to where the problem is at which is the unhealthy masses?

Anyway, I just know how much I have put into this career and I dont think it is unreasonable to expect higher compensation.

Oh, and I will have over $200,000 in debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am entering my fourth year of medical school.  I then plan to do a 6 year residency.  I will have over 14 year of higher level education.  Next year I have the &#8220;match&#8221; and I will be assigned to some residency program anywhere in the country by a lottery system.  I am looking at my friends who are starting families and I realize the sacrifice I am making for this career.  I already work 15 hour days and additionally spend everyother night in the hospital.  The relationships between my family and significant other are constantly strained.  I love medicine.  I dont think a person could survive unless there was some alltruistic undertone to their character.  US doctors are the best in the world, we have the most highly trained medical proffesionals.  The problem with healthcare is the people we provide it to.  We have a very &#8216;sick&#8217; baseline population.  Why dont we ban ciggarettes?  Why dont we go to where the problem is at which is the unhealthy masses?</p>
<p>Anyway, I just know how much I have put into this career and I dont think it is unreasonable to expect higher compensation.</p>
<p>Oh, and I will have over $200,000 in debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra-la</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra-la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not negotiate a selfpay rate with hospitals but you SURE can with doctors. Most will gladly take the medicare rate.The problem is not with the routine stuff which a doctor can treat with office visits, but if something really goes wrong  ie. cancer, requiring inpatient treatment, the hospital bill will kill you if your illness does not. However, you can negotiate a payment plan with a hospital which is far less than the monthly cost for insurance. Also if you go to a hospital ER without insurance they must treat you, so why not pick the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not negotiate a selfpay rate with hospitals but you SURE can with doctors. Most will gladly take the medicare rate.The problem is not with the routine stuff which a doctor can treat with office visits, but if something really goes wrong  ie. cancer, requiring inpatient treatment, the hospital bill will kill you if your illness does not. However, you can negotiate a payment plan with a hospital which is far less than the monthly cost for insurance. Also if you go to a hospital ER without insurance they must treat you, so why not pick the best.</p>
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		<title>By: baumgrenze</title>
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		<dc:creator>baumgrenze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the above comments has addressed a very significant fact about paying for medical care in the USA. You need an insurance policy to get the &#039;negotiated rate&#039; from providers (doctors and hospitals.) If you consider yourself reasonably healthy and want to pay your providers for the services they provide for you, you must buy a $10,000 - $50,000 dedictible policy, submit your claims to the insurance company, have them approved or rejected by a minimum wage worker who may frequently make a mistake and deny coverage even though the insurance company is paying nothing (after all, the deductible clock is ticking) so that you need to spend hours on the phone establishing that the claim is for covered services. In the process, the insurance company collects a premium primarily to provide you with access to discounted prices for medical care. Someone help me understand how this makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the above comments has addressed a very significant fact about paying for medical care in the USA. You need an insurance policy to get the &#8216;negotiated rate&#8217; from providers (doctors and hospitals.) If you consider yourself reasonably healthy and want to pay your providers for the services they provide for you, you must buy a $10,000 &#8211; $50,000 dedictible policy, submit your claims to the insurance company, have them approved or rejected by a minimum wage worker who may frequently make a mistake and deny coverage even though the insurance company is paying nothing (after all, the deductible clock is ticking) so that you need to spend hours on the phone establishing that the claim is for covered services. In the process, the insurance company collects a premium primarily to provide you with access to discounted prices for medical care. Someone help me understand how this makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra-la</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra-la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M. Reynolds, You seem quite impressed with your  overly simplistic veiw of the world. You feel the need to brag in a childish fashion.... oh you write kiddy books.You are one arrogant dude, I must say doctors are way underpaid if a kidddy book author does better. It is a sad thought that you feel you deserve to make more money than a doctor. I forgot, what you do and think is clearly more important than  medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M. Reynolds, You seem quite impressed with your  overly simplistic veiw of the world. You feel the need to brag in a childish fashion&#8230;. oh you write kiddy books.You are one arrogant dude, I must say doctors are way underpaid if a kidddy book author does better. It is a sad thought that you feel you deserve to make more money than a doctor. I forgot, what you do and think is clearly more important than  medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael:  If you look at the health care cost, about 85% goes to the hospitals and only 15% to doctors.  Most of the health care costs goes towards hospital buildings, technology and imaging centers etc.  that&#039;s why you see hospitals building new buildings all over the country.  Doctors incomes are going down in this country.  I am not a doctor but do come from family of doctors.

Many professions in this country start making money at yopunger ages.  Doctors have to go to schools, read text books, journal for long hours.  Then they have to go through long residency and internship programs anwhere from 3 to 8 years for pennies.  Other professionals start making money and put that in 10% return, you are talking hundreds and thousands of dollars.

In this country Doctors have to deal with patient&#039;s families, attorneys, insurance companies and hospital adminstrators etc.

If you bring doctors from other countries, I can guarantee you the standard of healthcare will go down.  I have seen doctors in other countries practicing sub standard medicine.

You are priviliged to be in this country and enjoy the best system in the world for which you should be thanful for.  You take zocor, you are lucky that you have no sideeffects, think about thousands of others who develop major problems from Zocor and ambien etc.

Good Luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:  If you look at the health care cost, about 85% goes to the hospitals and only 15% to doctors.  Most of the health care costs goes towards hospital buildings, technology and imaging centers etc.  that&#8217;s why you see hospitals building new buildings all over the country.  Doctors incomes are going down in this country.  I am not a doctor but do come from family of doctors.</p>
<p>Many professions in this country start making money at yopunger ages.  Doctors have to go to schools, read text books, journal for long hours.  Then they have to go through long residency and internship programs anwhere from 3 to 8 years for pennies.  Other professionals start making money and put that in 10% return, you are talking hundreds and thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>In this country Doctors have to deal with patient&#8217;s families, attorneys, insurance companies and hospital adminstrators etc.</p>
<p>If you bring doctors from other countries, I can guarantee you the standard of healthcare will go down.  I have seen doctors in other countries practicing sub standard medicine.</p>
<p>You are priviliged to be in this country and enjoy the best system in the world for which you should be thanful for.  You take zocor, you are lucky that you have no sideeffects, think about thousands of others who develop major problems from Zocor and ambien etc.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;small cold rooms, endless waiting...little tie-in-the-back-with-your-ass-hanging-out gown&quot; -- Hah, I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;ve describe &quot;torture&quot; according to the Obama GoogleBoyz.  I&#039;ve often said that physicians should strictly abide by the Army Field Manual.  Throw in some needles or a colonospcopy and it makes a routine check-up feel like an extraordinary rendition to Egypt.  Your average physician makes a CIA field operative look like timid little school girl at her first dance.   

Doctors = War Criminals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;small cold rooms, endless waiting&#8230;little tie-in-the-back-with-your-ass-hanging-out gown&#8221; &#8212; Hah, I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;ve describe &#8220;torture&#8221; according to the Obama GoogleBoyz.  I&#8217;ve often said that physicians should strictly abide by the Army Field Manual.  Throw in some needles or a colonospcopy and it makes a routine check-up feel like an extraordinary rendition to Egypt.  Your average physician makes a CIA field operative look like timid little school girl at her first dance.   </p>
<p>Doctors = War Criminals</p>
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		<title>By: mike mcEachran</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike mcEachran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Dos. - I agree with you in principle, childish name calling aside.   But yes, I am blaming the doctor in this case.  Doctors use the white coat, small cold rooms, endless waiting, and framed degrees to good effect.  You think the little tie-in-the-back-with-your-ass-hanging-out gown is made that way becuase it&#039;s neccessary?  BS - it&#039;s intimidation by design.   I was sick that I was complicit in the scam, and vowed never to do it again.  I don&#039;t think all doctors are unethical, but there is too much incentive, and it&#039;s too damn easy.   But I agree with your main point, that if everyone is spending someone else&#039;s money, there is no &quot;break peddle&quot;.  The problem is we&#039;re supposed to trust doctors.  I guess when free money  and &quot;ah-who&#039;s-it-gonna-hurt-really&quot; is involved, we can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Dos. &#8211; I agree with you in principle, childish name calling aside.   But yes, I am blaming the doctor in this case.  Doctors use the white coat, small cold rooms, endless waiting, and framed degrees to good effect.  You think the little tie-in-the-back-with-your-ass-hanging-out gown is made that way becuase it&#8217;s neccessary?  BS &#8211; it&#8217;s intimidation by design.   I was sick that I was complicit in the scam, and vowed never to do it again.  I don&#8217;t think all doctors are unethical, but there is too much incentive, and it&#8217;s too damn easy.   But I agree with your main point, that if everyone is spending someone else&#8217;s money, there is no &#8220;break peddle&#8221;.  The problem is we&#8217;re supposed to trust doctors.  I guess when free money  and &#8220;ah-who&#8217;s-it-gonna-hurt-really&#8221; is involved, we can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Thomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Thomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that what doctors charge is high, but so is everything else.  For an emergency room visit, we received a bill for $3000 for the ambulance ride.  That seems extremely excessive.  A few months later, my daughter fell and cut her head.  The bill included nearly $700 for 6 staples to close a laceration (the ER doctor&#039;s fee for the diagnosis was separate).

My daughter has a seizure condition and the medication the doctor would like to put her on costs as much as $900 per month.  Yet we called a pharmacy in Buenos Aires, Argentina (my wife is from there and travels there every year) and the exact same medication costs about US$50 there.  Can someone explain why the same medication costs 1800% more here than in South America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that what doctors charge is high, but so is everything else.  For an emergency room visit, we received a bill for $3000 for the ambulance ride.  That seems extremely excessive.  A few months later, my daughter fell and cut her head.  The bill included nearly $700 for 6 staples to close a laceration (the ER doctor&#8217;s fee for the diagnosis was separate).</p>
<p>My daughter has a seizure condition and the medication the doctor would like to put her on costs as much as $900 per month.  Yet we called a pharmacy in Buenos Aires, Argentina (my wife is from there and travels there every year) and the exact same medication costs about US$50 there.  Can someone explain why the same medication costs 1800% more here than in South America?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Reynolds, 

I&#039;m an MD in surgery.  More specifically a surgeon in training.  Last week I worked 126 hours.  The week before that I worked 112 and the week before that 121 hours.  I am paid $41,550 per year.  So based on the number hours I work I make $6.34 per hour.  This is less than minimum wage in the state I live in.  This also does not count the countless hours I spend studying and preparing for surgeries at home.

I haven&#039;t seen my 1 year old son awake in 4 days.  I&#039;ve had one conversation with my wife in the last week.  

In addition I have acrued over $250,000 in educational debt.  I will not finish my training until I am 37 years old.  

In my future I will be called at all hours of the night to help people in need - remove appendixes, gall bladders, colon&#039;s etc - don&#039;t get me wrong I love to operate.  However, I will have no choice when I am called.  If I wish to continue my profession I will have to go.  Why shouldn&#039;t I get to charge what I want?  Imagine if you told a locksmith he couldn&#039;t charge what he wants to help you when you are locked out in a thunderstorm at 3:00AM.

Mr. Reynolds, I challenge you to find a &quot;lawyer, priest, firemen, waiter, businessmen, soldier, janitor, factory worker or clerk&quot; who has worked these hours at this wage for 12 years. 

This does not make me any better than those people.  I do this because I love doing it.  However, if you think I don&#039;t deserve to make a healthy wage when I am done with my training then you need to have be examined by a psychiatrist (although maybe the pschiastrist will close up practice because you won&#039;t make it worth it to him to practice).  

Mr. Reynolds, until you take a walk in my shoes you should keep your mouth shut and not enter into a debate which only exposes your ignorance.

Finally, for everyone else.  Let&#039;s talk specific numbers....What do you all think a doctor deserves to earn?  Well, the average pediatrician in washington, DC finished training with $250,000 in debt and is paid $94,000/year. 

America, don&#039;t our kids deserve pediatricians valued at higher then $94,000 a year?

I just want everyone to be clear that we are NOT talking about millions.  The days of doctors making millions are over and have been over for quite some time.  However, for what I have SACRAFICED, I deserve to not have to worry about how I am going to pay off my debt, afford a mortgage and put dinner on my son&#039;s plate.  At $94,000 a year with increasing malpractice insurance costs this is a very REAL concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Reynolds, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an MD in surgery.  More specifically a surgeon in training.  Last week I worked 126 hours.  The week before that I worked 112 and the week before that 121 hours.  I am paid $41,550 per year.  So based on the number hours I work I make $6.34 per hour.  This is less than minimum wage in the state I live in.  This also does not count the countless hours I spend studying and preparing for surgeries at home.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen my 1 year old son awake in 4 days.  I&#8217;ve had one conversation with my wife in the last week.  </p>
<p>In addition I have acrued over $250,000 in educational debt.  I will not finish my training until I am 37 years old.  </p>
<p>In my future I will be called at all hours of the night to help people in need &#8211; remove appendixes, gall bladders, colon&#8217;s etc &#8211; don&#8217;t get me wrong I love to operate.  However, I will have no choice when I am called.  If I wish to continue my profession I will have to go.  Why shouldn&#8217;t I get to charge what I want?  Imagine if you told a locksmith he couldn&#8217;t charge what he wants to help you when you are locked out in a thunderstorm at 3:00AM.</p>
<p>Mr. Reynolds, I challenge you to find a &#8220;lawyer, priest, firemen, waiter, businessmen, soldier, janitor, factory worker or clerk&#8221; who has worked these hours at this wage for 12 years. </p>
<p>This does not make me any better than those people.  I do this because I love doing it.  However, if you think I don&#8217;t deserve to make a healthy wage when I am done with my training then you need to have be examined by a psychiatrist (although maybe the pschiastrist will close up practice because you won&#8217;t make it worth it to him to practice).  </p>
<p>Mr. Reynolds, until you take a walk in my shoes you should keep your mouth shut and not enter into a debate which only exposes your ignorance.</p>
<p>Finally, for everyone else.  Let&#8217;s talk specific numbers&#8230;.What do you all think a doctor deserves to earn?  Well, the average pediatrician in washington, DC finished training with $250,000 in debt and is paid $94,000/year. </p>
<p>America, don&#8217;t our kids deserve pediatricians valued at higher then $94,000 a year?</p>
<p>I just want everyone to be clear that we are NOT talking about millions.  The days of doctors making millions are over and have been over for quite some time.  However, for what I have SACRAFICED, I deserve to not have to worry about how I am going to pay off my debt, afford a mortgage and put dinner on my son&#8217;s plate.  At $94,000 a year with increasing malpractice insurance costs this is a very REAL concern.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcEachran -- You&#039;re blaming the doctor because you&#039;re a sucker when it comes to spending other people&#039;s money (i.e. the insurance company).  You weren&#039;t a sucker when it came to spending your own money and the smart doctor knew it and thus he waived your co-pay.  

I have argued that Health Savings Accounts lower healthcare costs because it makes people smarter about how they spend their money for healthcare.  Your story is a PERFECT example of this.  Insurance pays and who cares.  But if the dollars are mine -- then we get a little smarter about our decisions.

So let&#039;s think about what kind of choices we are going to make when we get a single-payer, universal coverage healthcare system.  The market requires people make value choices and I understand that a lot of people don&#039;t like this concept when applied to healthcare, however there really is no choice unless one wants a grossly inefficient system that produces...

starving children outside the window of Alinea that I like to flick crispy calamari at while I sip on some vino.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcEachran &#8212; You&#8217;re blaming the doctor because you&#8217;re a sucker when it comes to spending other people&#8217;s money (i.e. the insurance company).  You weren&#8217;t a sucker when it came to spending your own money and the smart doctor knew it and thus he waived your co-pay.  </p>
<p>I have argued that Health Savings Accounts lower healthcare costs because it makes people smarter about how they spend their money for healthcare.  Your story is a PERFECT example of this.  Insurance pays and who cares.  But if the dollars are mine &#8212; then we get a little smarter about our decisions.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s think about what kind of choices we are going to make when we get a single-payer, universal coverage healthcare system.  The market requires people make value choices and I understand that a lot of people don&#8217;t like this concept when applied to healthcare, however there really is no choice unless one wants a grossly inefficient system that produces&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the fact that medicare pays shit just means that the rest gets dumped on private insurance and private payers.  We&#039;re all paying for it, that&#039;s why cries of socialism are completely irrelevant in the national healthcare discussion.  We&#039;re all paying, but companies are profiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the fact that medicare pays shit just means that the rest gets dumped on private insurance and private payers.  We&#8217;re all paying for it, that&#8217;s why cries of socialism are completely irrelevant in the national healthcare discussion.  We&#8217;re all paying, but companies are profiting.</p>
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		<title>By: mike mcEachran</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/05/12/doctors-concerned-by-obama-health-care-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-463329</link>
		<dc:creator>mike mcEachran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon recieving insurance for the first time in years, I went to see a General Practicioner on Park Avenue in Manhattan for my asthma (why Park Avenue, I don&#039;t know).  He told me I needed a test, and oh yeah it cost $800.  With my 20% co-pay, I was on the hook for $160 (it wasn&#039;t great insurance).  I asked what test, and why did I need it?  He said it measured and charted the volumn of air I was able to pass through my lungs, so it would be an indication of how well or poorly I was breathing.  I said, I could tell him that, since I&#039;ve had asthma all my life, konw all about it, and could prescribe my own maintainance meds if he wanted to know that, too.  He insisted.  I said no.  He came back in the room and &quot;cut me a deal&quot;.  He waived my co-pay.  He insisted.  I was intimidated . I relented.  I took the stupid test, which showed a graph of my breathing, and sure enough I was weazing!  That cost my insurance company $640.  I was insensed at the obvious waist and greed that I was witnessing.  He obviously and gratuitously manipulated me into a test I didn&#039;t need, that was a cash cow for him.  I protested after the fact, left with my prescription  - yep for meds I&#039;ve been taking for many years - and told him he was the problem with the health care system in this country.  To think that there are children suffering who can&#039;t get basic health care becuase their parents are poor, and meanwhile this GP in Manhattan is cashing in $640 bucks for a worthless test I didn&#039;t need was more than I could bear.  Since then, no less than two more doctors have tried the same scam, only in thosse cases I absolutely refused.  
How many more procedures are like this one, and how many more docotros are out there trying to cover their expnsive rents and morgagess and hobbie crafts with as many of these useless cashcows as they can?  How many nose jobs are called diviated septums and how may recreational users get viagra?  Just to name a few. 
FYI, Michael REynolds, I am a Democrat cut of the same cloth.   Please someone start a party for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon recieving insurance for the first time in years, I went to see a General Practicioner on Park Avenue in Manhattan for my asthma (why Park Avenue, I don&#8217;t know).  He told me I needed a test, and oh yeah it cost $800.  With my 20% co-pay, I was on the hook for $160 (it wasn&#8217;t great insurance).  I asked what test, and why did I need it?  He said it measured and charted the volumn of air I was able to pass through my lungs, so it would be an indication of how well or poorly I was breathing.  I said, I could tell him that, since I&#8217;ve had asthma all my life, konw all about it, and could prescribe my own maintainance meds if he wanted to know that, too.  He insisted.  I said no.  He came back in the room and &#8220;cut me a deal&#8221;.  He waived my co-pay.  He insisted.  I was intimidated . I relented.  I took the stupid test, which showed a graph of my breathing, and sure enough I was weazing!  That cost my insurance company $640.  I was insensed at the obvious waist and greed that I was witnessing.  He obviously and gratuitously manipulated me into a test I didn&#8217;t need, that was a cash cow for him.  I protested after the fact, left with my prescription  &#8211; yep for meds I&#8217;ve been taking for many years &#8211; and told him he was the problem with the health care system in this country.  To think that there are children suffering who can&#8217;t get basic health care becuase their parents are poor, and meanwhile this GP in Manhattan is cashing in $640 bucks for a worthless test I didn&#8217;t need was more than I could bear.  Since then, no less than two more doctors have tried the same scam, only in thosse cases I absolutely refused.<br />
How many more procedures are like this one, and how many more docotros are out there trying to cover their expnsive rents and morgagess and hobbie crafts with as many of these useless cashcows as they can?  How many nose jobs are called diviated septums and how may recreational users get viagra?  Just to name a few.<br />
FYI, Michael REynolds, I am a Democrat cut of the same cloth.   Please someone start a party for us.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:

I mean to write, &quot;so what if we spend 16% or 18% or even 20% or more of GDP on health care?&quot; not 6 or 8 or 10%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:</p>
<p>I mean to write, &#8220;so what if we spend 16% or 18% or even 20% or more of GDP on health care?&#8221; not 6 or 8 or 10%</p>
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