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	<title>Comments on: Former Former Bush Solicitor General Wants To Overturn Prop 8</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None-the-less, the comparison between Loving v. Virginia and gay marriage is not about race vs. sexual identity.  It is about racial choice vs. gender choice.  

Currently, all homosexual Americans are eligable for marriage in every state of the union.  They are just required to chose a partner of a different gender.  Being gay, or chosing a gay person is not what disqualifies a homosexual relationship from marriage.

Desegregating marriage in terms of race is necessary in the same way the country had to desegregate schools and public restrooms.  That being said, if Olson is right in his logic, must we now desegregate classrooms and restrooms in terms of gender as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None-the-less, the comparison between Loving v. Virginia and gay marriage is not about race vs. sexual identity.  It is about racial choice vs. gender choice.  </p>
<p>Currently, all homosexual Americans are eligable for marriage in every state of the union.  They are just required to chose a partner of a different gender.  Being gay, or chosing a gay person is not what disqualifies a homosexual relationship from marriage.</p>
<p>Desegregating marriage in terms of race is necessary in the same way the country had to desegregate schools and public restrooms.  That being said, if Olson is right in his logic, must we now desegregate classrooms and restrooms in terms of gender as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, changed the SCOTUS terminology. Thx for the heads up.

Also, I thought Olson was appealing THIS decision. But it looks like you&#039;re right. I&#039;ll amend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, changed the SCOTUS terminology. Thx for the heads up.</p>
<p>Also, I thought Olson was appealing THIS decision. But it looks like you&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ll amend.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you&#039;re welcome. Sorry to nitpick, but the abbreviation &quot;SCOTUS&quot; is short for &quot;Supreme Court &lt;i&gt;of the United States&lt;/i&gt;&quot; - there isn&#039;t and lexically can&#039;t be a &quot;SCOTUS of California,,&quot; there&#039;s just the Supreme Court of California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you&#8217;re welcome. Sorry to nitpick, but the abbreviation &#8220;SCOTUS&#8221; is short for &#8220;Supreme Court <i>of the United States</i>&#8221; &#8211; there isn&#8217;t and lexically can&#8217;t be a &#8220;SCOTUS of California,,&#8221; there&#8217;s just the Supreme Court of California.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, thank you because that&#039;s exactly the point that i was going to make about the SCOTUS of Cali&#039;s decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, thank you because that&#8217;s exactly the point that i was going to make about the SCOTUS of Cali&#8217;s decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, your penultimate paragraph misses the mark. The issue decided by the California Supreme Court (&quot;CA SCOTUS&quot;? &quot;California Supreme Court of the United States&quot;?) yesterday was a legal process issue of whether Proposition 8 was an &lt;i&gt;amendment of&lt;/i&gt; or a &lt;i&gt;revision to&lt;/i&gt; the California Constitution. A line of California caselaw stretching back to 1894 has drawn a distinction, and only the former can be adopted by the initiative process. The decision yesterday, therefore, held only that the character of Proposition 8 did not work a fundamental change to the structure of California&#039;s government, a fairly self-evident proposition. Even activist judges can only do so much with a straight face. The deeper substantive issues - and more particularly, the federal constitutional issues - were &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; raised or in play.

So understood, it&#039;s obvious that the Supreme Court of the United States couldn&#039;t overturn yesterday&#039;s decision even if it wanted to. Yesterday&#039;s decision involved a pure question of California law by the court with the last word on the meaning of California law. See, e.g., &lt;i&gt;Michigan v. Long&lt;/i&gt;, 463 U.S. 1032, 1042-3 (1983); &lt;i&gt;Fisher v. Jones&lt;/i&gt;, 83 F.3d 426 (1996) (&quot;Because state courts are the ultimate expositors of state law, we are bound by their constructions and limited to deciding whether a conviction violates the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States&quot;). Indeed, since the litigants in these cases have raised no federal issues in state proceedings, the US Supreme Court would lack jurisdiction to hear the case, see 28 U.S.C. Â§ 1257. Jurisdiction could be created if the petitioners added federal claims to their cases, but the court would almost certainly refuse to hear a case comprised solely questions neither raised nor addressed below. See, e.g., &lt;i&gt;F. Hoffmann-La Roche v. Empagran&lt;/i&gt;, 542 U.S. 155, 175 (2004) (declining to address arguments not addressed by the court below); &lt;i&gt;Cutter v. Wilkinson&lt;/i&gt;, 544 U. S. 709, 718 n.7 (2005) (same) (&quot;we are a court of review, not of first view&quot;); &lt;i&gt;Montejo v. Louisiana&lt;/i&gt;, 556 U.S. __, __ (2009) (slip op. at 19) (same).

Olson&#039;s separate litigation is another story. The Supreme Court of the United States has been on a collision course with this issue since &lt;i&gt;Romer v. Evans&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Lawrence v. Texas&lt;/i&gt;. At least in my own view, expressed here and elsewhere before, a straight line through those cases points directly to the conclusion that there is a five-vote majority on the court today (something unlikely to be changed by Sotomayor&#039;s nomination) to support the Olson lawsuit claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, your penultimate paragraph misses the mark. The issue decided by the California Supreme Court (&#8220;CA SCOTUS&#8221;? &#8220;California Supreme Court of the United States&#8221;?) yesterday was a legal process issue of whether Proposition 8 was an <i>amendment of</i> or a <i>revision to</i> the California Constitution. A line of California caselaw stretching back to 1894 has drawn a distinction, and only the former can be adopted by the initiative process. The decision yesterday, therefore, held only that the character of Proposition 8 did not work a fundamental change to the structure of California&#8217;s government, a fairly self-evident proposition. Even activist judges can only do so much with a straight face. The deeper substantive issues &#8211; and more particularly, the federal constitutional issues &#8211; were <i>not</i> raised or in play.</p>
<p>So understood, it&#8217;s obvious that the Supreme Court of the United States couldn&#8217;t overturn yesterday&#8217;s decision even if it wanted to. Yesterday&#8217;s decision involved a pure question of California law by the court with the last word on the meaning of California law. See, e.g., <i>Michigan v. Long</i>, 463 U.S. 1032, 1042-3 (1983); <i>Fisher v. Jones</i>, 83 F.3d 426 (1996) (&#8220;Because state courts are the ultimate expositors of state law, we are bound by their constructions and limited to deciding whether a conviction violates the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States&#8221;). Indeed, since the litigants in these cases have raised no federal issues in state proceedings, the US Supreme Court would lack jurisdiction to hear the case, see 28 U.S.C. Â§ 1257. Jurisdiction could be created if the petitioners added federal claims to their cases, but the court would almost certainly refuse to hear a case comprised solely questions neither raised nor addressed below. See, e.g., <i>F. Hoffmann-La Roche v. Empagran</i>, 542 U.S. 155, 175 (2004) (declining to address arguments not addressed by the court below); <i>Cutter v. Wilkinson</i>, 544 U. S. 709, 718 n.7 (2005) (same) (&#8220;we are a court of review, not of first view&#8221;); <i>Montejo v. Louisiana</i>, 556 U.S. __, __ (2009) (slip op. at 19) (same).</p>
<p>Olson&#8217;s separate litigation is another story. The Supreme Court of the United States has been on a collision course with this issue since <i>Romer v. Evans</i> and <i>Lawrence v. Texas</i>. At least in my own view, expressed here and elsewhere before, a straight line through those cases points directly to the conclusion that there is a five-vote majority on the court today (something unlikely to be changed by Sotomayor&#8217;s nomination) to support the Olson lawsuit claims.</p>
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