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	<title>Comments on: Army Recruiter Killed By Islamic Extremist?</title>
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		<title>By: Gregory Perrone</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/01/army-recruiter-killed-by-islamic-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-481795</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Perrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Reynolds, the target was not a military base.  It was a group of unarmed recruiters.  The recruiters are not combatants, and therefore it qualifies as a civilian target.  When police or  US military go after recruitment campaigns of our enemies we do not drive up and start throwing lead, we use pshycological techniques, and propoganda.  

Has motive for the killings been determined yet?  Motive is what will diferentiate this killing as terrorism as opposed to murder.  Attempted terrorism is terrorism.  

The ironic thing about this act is that even if was intended as murder, the response to it developed it into a fairly effective terrorist act.  The desired effect of a terrorist is political influence.  A large response to their actions.  As with 9/11, if the media, and the American people, would have muted their responses the terrorist act has no effect, and therefore fails.  If the response is big, as it was in both of these cases, the campaign was successful.

I have been in the counter terrorism community for a number of years now, and I can tell you.  The proper response to a terrorist attack it to a) prevent it from happening.  b) if you can&#039;t prevent it, make the response immediate.  c) if you can&#039;t make the response immediate, openly ignore it!  

This will disarm the terrorist attack on all fronts.  You will minimise casualties, possibly eliminate future terrorist opportunities, and minimise the political influence the action has on the target.  We should quit giving these people ammunition. If we keep treating them like a legitimate army of a soveriegn state then we simply make them stronger!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Reynolds, the target was not a military base.  It was a group of unarmed recruiters.  The recruiters are not combatants, and therefore it qualifies as a civilian target.  When police or  US military go after recruitment campaigns of our enemies we do not drive up and start throwing lead, we use pshycological techniques, and propoganda.  </p>
<p>Has motive for the killings been determined yet?  Motive is what will diferentiate this killing as terrorism as opposed to murder.  Attempted terrorism is terrorism.  </p>
<p>The ironic thing about this act is that even if was intended as murder, the response to it developed it into a fairly effective terrorist act.  The desired effect of a terrorist is political influence.  A large response to their actions.  As with 9/11, if the media, and the American people, would have muted their responses the terrorist act has no effect, and therefore fails.  If the response is big, as it was in both of these cases, the campaign was successful.</p>
<p>I have been in the counter terrorism community for a number of years now, and I can tell you.  The proper response to a terrorist attack it to a) prevent it from happening.  b) if you can&#8217;t prevent it, make the response immediate.  c) if you can&#8217;t make the response immediate, openly ignore it!  </p>
<p>This will disarm the terrorist attack on all fronts.  You will minimise casualties, possibly eliminate future terrorist opportunities, and minimise the political influence the action has on the target.  We should quit giving these people ammunition. If we keep treating them like a legitimate army of a soveriegn state then we simply make them stronger!</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrorism involves non-state actors using violence for purposes of political (using the word broadly) intimidation.  It requires a supporting ideology.  But it is also generally against civilian targets which this was arguably not.  

The Tiller murder was terrorism by all criteria, this killing is on the bubble, I&#039;d say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorism involves non-state actors using violence for purposes of political (using the word broadly) intimidation.  It requires a supporting ideology.  But it is also generally against civilian targets which this was arguably not.  </p>
<p>The Tiller murder was terrorism by all criteria, this killing is on the bubble, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/01/army-recruiter-killed-by-islamic-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-474222</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New info on the Little Rock shooter is that he&#039;s been under active FBI surveillance since a recent trip to Yemen. Not quite active enough to save a life, I guess. Maybe a lone nut, maybe not. Maybe a knowingly manipulated nut. We&#039;ll probably find out eventually, at least if there&#039;s any evidence that rises to the point of admissability. Likewise with Roeder. 

No bets from me, Chris. &quot;They&quot; will undoubtedly at least raise the speculation. To me it becomes terrorism when you step past lone nut to group-supported efforts, even if only carried out by a lone nut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New info on the Little Rock shooter is that he&#8217;s been under active FBI surveillance since a recent trip to Yemen. Not quite active enough to save a life, I guess. Maybe a lone nut, maybe not. Maybe a knowingly manipulated nut. We&#8217;ll probably find out eventually, at least if there&#8217;s any evidence that rises to the point of admissability. Likewise with Roeder. </p>
<p>No bets from me, Chris. &#8220;They&#8221; will undoubtedly at least raise the speculation. To me it becomes terrorism when you step past lone nut to group-supported efforts, even if only carried out by a lone nut.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/01/army-recruiter-killed-by-islamic-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-474220</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they&quot; being the media, and representatives of the government if they can get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they&#8221; being the media, and representatives of the government if they can get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy from NJ</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/01/army-recruiter-killed-by-islamic-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-474162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy from NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously I am &quot;they&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously I am &#8220;they&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/01/army-recruiter-killed-by-islamic-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-474156</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far the only release from police is &quot;possible political or religious motivations.&quot; Insufficent information.

Nice sucker bet though, Chris. By leaving &quot;they&quot; unspecified it&#039;s a slam dunk win already. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far the only release from police is &#8220;possible political or religious motivations.&#8221; Insufficent information.</p>
<p>Nice sucker bet though, Chris. By leaving &#8220;they&#8221; unspecified it&#8217;s a slam dunk win already. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy from NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy from NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is terrorism.  Just like Tiller&#039;s murder was terrorism.  I never liked the term Islamofascist but I think if that word has officially entered the lexicon, then we need to officially add Christofascist.

Something really needs to be done about all these religious fanatics.  Perhaps we can get someone to sponsor a bill that officially recognizes that the United States was not founded on Judeo/Christian/Muslim values and will not tolerate persecution by religious groups.  Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is terrorism.  Just like Tiller&#8217;s murder was terrorism.  I never liked the term Islamofascist but I think if that word has officially entered the lexicon, then we need to officially add Christofascist.</p>
<p>Something really needs to be done about all these religious fanatics.  Perhaps we can get someone to sponsor a bill that officially recognizes that the United States was not founded on Judeo/Christian/Muslim values and will not tolerate persecution by religious groups.  Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, Chris.  Terrorism is willful destruction with the aim to bring about political change (via intimidation).  Is this that or is it &quot;just&quot; murder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, Chris.  Terrorism is willful destruction with the aim to bring about political change (via intimidation).  Is this that or is it &#8220;just&#8221; murder?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$50 bucks they call this terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$50 bucks they call this terrorism.</p>
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