Comments on: Video Of Obama’s Speech To The Muslim World http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:16:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Josh http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-479803 Josh Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:06:42 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-479803 wj - Possibly you are right, but the problem is, the remaining conditions will forever be grossly unpalatable for the Israelis. the Word- How many agreements and concessions with Israel's neighbors have helped at all? Remember Golan Heights anyone? What has stopped the most violence? When the borders are shut tight. Oh btw, how many times has Hamas "agreed" to stop firing missiles from the Gaza strip? I think they violated their last agreement before 10 minutes were up. The Word, Israelis have made many, many leaps of faith and they have been rewarded with dead civilians. At what point does a leap of faith become a leap of idiocy? BTW, I'm not Jewish, Israeli, Zionist or anything else. I'm just interested in the subject. Closing settlements is just one current grievance. The true problem for the Palestinians is that the Israelis are in their backyard at all. So unless someone proposes a way to mass convert the Palestinians, stop teaching false history in schools, and stop telling their children that suicidal attacks on civilians are praiseworthy, this problem isn't going to get solved by mutual agreements, unfortunately. Chris - the extremists in Israel have very little support, so half of your equation is already solved. wj – Possibly you are right, but the problem is, the remaining conditions will forever be grossly unpalatable for the Israelis.

the Word- How many agreements and concessions with Israel’s neighbors have helped at all? Remember Golan Heights anyone? What has stopped the most violence? When the borders are shut tight. Oh btw, how many times has Hamas “agreed” to stop firing missiles from the Gaza strip? I think they violated their last agreement before 10 minutes were up. The Word, Israelis have made many, many leaps of faith and they have been rewarded with dead civilians. At what point does a leap of faith become a leap of idiocy? BTW, I’m not Jewish, Israeli, Zionist or anything else. I’m just interested in the subject.

Closing settlements is just one current grievance. The true problem for the Palestinians is that the Israelis are in their backyard at all. So unless someone proposes a way to mass convert the Palestinians, stop teaching false history in schools, and stop telling their children that suicidal attacks on civilians are praiseworthy, this problem isn’t going to get solved by mutual agreements, unfortunately.

Chris – the extremists in Israel have very little support, so half of your equation is already solved.

]]> By: rachel http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-479706 rachel Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:51:41 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-479706 Chris--keeping that in mind, did you notice what groups panned Obama's speech the most? :D Chris–keeping that in mind, did you notice what groups panned Obama’s speech the most? :D

]]> By: Chris http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-479699 Chris Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:37:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-479699 Josh you're completely wrong, the only way to achieve peace is for the two peoples to come together and stop supporting the extremists on both sides. Josh you’re completely wrong, the only way to achieve peace is for the two peoples to come together and stop supporting the extremists on both sides.

]]> By: the Word http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-479401 the Word Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:29:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-479401 Josh- Perhaps the question should be. Divorcing yourself from whatever your background is, If you had lived the Palestinians history in the region, what would it take for you to want to take a step toward turning the corner. Both sides think they are right. It is further complicated by the religion in the mix. If it's ever to end, people not only have to want it but also think it's worth the risk to start. There is plenty of grey in the region as well as the black and white. Ending any fight or conflict requires at some point, a leap of faith. It can't ever happen if both sides are not willing to think that it is possible. I can easily see how both sides think it is hopeless. I'd love to hope that somehow, some way it might have some possibility of success. I don't think anyone thinks it will be easy. Josh-
Perhaps the question should be. Divorcing yourself from whatever your background is, If you had lived the Palestinians history in the region, what would it take for you to want to take a step toward turning the corner. Both sides think they are right. It is further complicated by the religion in the mix. If it’s ever to end, people not only have to want it but also think it’s worth the risk to start. There is plenty of grey in the region as well as the black and white.

Ending any fight or conflict requires at some point, a leap of faith. It can’t ever happen if both sides are not willing to think that it is possible. I can easily see how both sides think it is hopeless. I’d love to hope that somehow, some way it might have some possibility of success. I don’t think anyone thinks it will be easy.

]]> By: wj http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-479012 wj Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:57:06 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-479012 Josh, it's not that anybody thinks that dealing with the settlements will magically solve the whole problem. Rather it is that we understand that until the settlements are addressed, the problem will not be solved. A necessary condition, although not a sufficient one. See? Josh, it’s not that anybody thinks that dealing with the settlements will magically solve the whole problem. Rather it is that we understand that until the settlements are addressed, the problem will not be solved. A necessary condition, although not a sufficient one. See?

]]> By: Josh http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-478225 Josh Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:58:19 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-478225 Does anyone really think everything is going to be hunky-dory in Israel if they close the settlements? Honestly, the long term impact will be precisely zero. Do you really think the people that elected Hamas are going to give a rip if the Israelis abandon a few thousand homes? They'll find something else to complain about and then we'll be trying to figure out how to meet that demand (like the right of return? Israelis might as well pack their bags if they grant that request...). Unfortunately for the world, the only way peace in Israel will be achieved will be through complete isolation of Hamas controlled areas and overwhelming military strength. That's the best I come up with after studying the modern history of Jerusalem for two quarters in college and following failure after failure in the peace process. There is only one side there that truly wants peace. The other wants genocide. I'll leave you to infer who that is. Does anyone really think everything is going to be hunky-dory in Israel if they close the settlements? Honestly, the long term impact will be precisely zero. Do you really think the people that elected Hamas are going to give a rip if the Israelis abandon a few thousand homes? They’ll find something else to complain about and then we’ll be trying to figure out how to meet that demand (like the right of return? Israelis might as well pack their bags if they grant that request…). Unfortunately for the world, the only way peace in Israel will be achieved will be through complete isolation of Hamas controlled areas and overwhelming military strength. That’s the best I come up with after studying the modern history of Jerusalem for two quarters in college and following failure after failure in the peace process. There is only one side there that truly wants peace. The other wants genocide. I’ll leave you to infer who that is.

]]> By: Chris http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477907 Chris Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:17:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477907 Wow drawnlines, your website rapes my eyes and befuddles my mind. And it's not because of your blazing intelligence. Wow drawnlines, your website rapes my eyes and befuddles my mind. And it’s not because of your blazing intelligence.

]]> By: Mike A http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477849 Mike A Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:33:18 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477849 "Obama has done as much long-term, deep damage to our economy and our safety in just over 100 days. We are right to be fearful. What. A. Disaster!" This over-the-top inflammatory rhetoric is soooo 2008! “Obama has done as much long-term, deep damage to our economy and our safety in just over 100 days. We are right to be fearful. What. A. Disaster!”

This over-the-top inflammatory rhetoric is soooo 2008!

]]> By: Tully http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477848 Tully Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:27:09 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477848 But Michael, don't you know that if the President is from the other side, then we MUST get hysterical about eveything he does? No matter what it is? Didn't you learn anything from the Clinton/Bush years? ;-) But Michael, don’t you know that if the President is from the other side, then we MUST get hysterical about eveything he does? No matter what it is? Didn’t you learn anything from the Clinton/Bush years? ;-)

]]> By: michael reynolds http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477750 michael reynolds Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:28:08 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477750 Run for your lives! Ruuuuuun! Fear the Obama, fear him I tell you! We're all gonna dieeee! Run for your lives! Ruuuuuun! Fear the Obama, fear him I tell you! We’re all gonna dieeee!

]]> By: wj http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477742 wj Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:23:18 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477742 It is also interesting that, when he was here last month, the Israeli Prime Minister got the same message on settlements from pretty much all of Congress, too. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090066.html (And, apparently, was quite surprised.) Perhaps what is mostly happening is that what everybody with any sense has known for a long time (the settlements have to go) is now being said out loud. Even by really, really strong supporters of Israel. Even, in fact, by those Congressmen who support Israel on virtually every other point. But not, apparently, by DB here. It is also interesting that, when he was here last month, the Israeli Prime Minister got the same message on settlements from pretty much all of Congress, too. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090066.html (And, apparently, was quite surprised.)

Perhaps what is mostly happening is that what everybody with any sense has known for a long time (the settlements have to go) is now being said out loud. Even by really, really strong supporters of Israel. Even, in fact, by those Congressmen who support Israel on virtually every other point. But not, apparently, by DB here.

]]> By: the Word http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477651 the Word Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:33:56 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477651 DB- If you truly believe this I feel sorry for you. Even Pat Buchanan said it was a good speech. I know that not being arrogant jerks to the entire world is a dramatic change but we really got nowhere in the last eight years with that approach. Those policies failed miserably. Fair and balanced is seen (in reality) with Obama's approach. It's the only hope for any solution in that part of the world. Adults apologize when they have done something wrong. For many in this country, it is refreshing that we are taking an adult approach rather than the 2nd Grade mentality that is blind to anything ever going wrong that is our fault. What we did in Iraq was wrong. Torture is wrong. The whole world knows it so admitting the same just shows that we are honest not weak. It would be nice if Bush and Cheney would ask for forgiveness for all they did to this country and the world. At the least, I would like to see the people who voted for the disaster that was the last eight years step up to the plate. DB-
If you truly believe this I feel sorry for you. Even Pat Buchanan said it was a good speech. I know that not being arrogant jerks to the entire world is a dramatic change but we really got nowhere in the last eight years with that approach. Those policies failed miserably. Fair and balanced is seen (in reality) with Obama’s approach. It’s the only hope for any solution in that part of the world.

Adults apologize when they have done something wrong. For many in this country, it is refreshing that we are taking an adult approach rather than the 2nd Grade mentality that is blind to anything ever going wrong that is our fault. What we did in Iraq was wrong. Torture is wrong. The whole world knows it so admitting the same just shows that we are honest not weak. It would be nice if Bush and Cheney would ask for forgiveness for all they did to this country and the world. At the least, I would like to see the people who voted for the disaster that was the last eight years step up to the plate.

]]> By: Drawnlines Blog http://donklephant.com/2009/06/04/video-of-obamas-speech-to-the-muslim-world/comment-page-1/#comment-477359 Drawnlines Blog Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:20:08 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15067#comment-477359 The apology tour continues... Let me say this - I was no fan of Bush, BUT... As much damage as Bush did in 8 years, Carter did in just 4. Obama has done as much long-term, deep damage to our economy and our safety in just over 100 days. We are right to be fearful. What. A. Disaster! The apology tour continues…

Let me say this – I was no fan of Bush, BUT…

As much damage as Bush did in 8 years, Carter did in just 4. Obama has done as much long-term, deep damage to our economy and our safety in just over 100 days.

We are right to be fearful. What. A. Disaster!

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