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	<title>Comments on: Dole and Daschle Release Health Care Plan</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

There is a very simple counterargument to that: reality. Canada spends less per capita on health care than the US Government does. So do the Brits. Yet, in terms of general health, neither the Brits nor the Canadians are worse off:
http://www.who.int/whosis/en/index.html

Note that the Brits do much better than the Canadians, despite having virtually no free market. All Doctors are employees of the state, all hospitals are state-owned, etc. In Canada Doctors own their own practices, and are simply paid by the state for almost everything they do. Hospitals get huge sums of money from Canada&#039;s Federal Government, but they too are privately run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>There is a very simple counterargument to that: reality. Canada spends less per capita on health care than the US Government does. So do the Brits. Yet, in terms of general health, neither the Brits nor the Canadians are worse off:<br />
<a href="http://www.who.int/whosis/en/index.html" >http://www.who.int/whosis/en/index.html</a></p>
<p>Note that the Brits do much better than the Canadians, despite having virtually no free market. All Doctors are employees of the state, all hospitals are state-owned, etc. In Canada Doctors own their own practices, and are simply paid by the state for almost everything they do. Hospitals get huge sums of money from Canada&#8217;s Federal Government, but they too are privately run.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryS California health insurance</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryS California health insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without free market, be ready for much higher taxes. Clearly the government has no need to make a profit, but they also can run at a perpetual loss. This means that there is no incentive to control costs because the US can either borrow, inflate, or tax. The Post Office, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. all operate with losses or have immense long-term fiscal pressures. This will be no different. Be prepared to pay higher taxes &amp; have a dollar that plunges in purchasing power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without free market, be ready for much higher taxes. Clearly the government has no need to make a profit, but they also can run at a perpetual loss. This means that there is no incentive to control costs because the US can either borrow, inflate, or tax. The Post Office, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. all operate with losses or have immense long-term fiscal pressures. This will be no different. Be prepared to pay higher taxes &#038; have a dollar that plunges in purchasing power.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of a plan proposed by a bipartisan group composed of folks with legislative experience and without a reelection motive is appealing to me.

I am not against taxing benefits over a certain level, because I think part of reform should be leveling the playing field, in the sense of the system not having as many clear winners and clear losers. People with really great plans that are primarily funded by employers are enjoying a great deal, and if their deal is made a bit less great in order to make the deal better for the folks who usually slip through the cracks, that&#039;s a pretty defensible compromise in my eyes.

Same thing with caps. Whatever providers and servicers are able to demand really high compensation for certain services are often (though not necessarily) getting a great deal. If that has to be capped to control costs, that&#039;s Ok with me. And I&#039;ll even go ahead and acknowledge that such caps may dampen the motivation for innovation. I think slowing the pace of new advances is probably a plus from the perspective of controlling costs. Currently, the high-cost US system generally finances innovations, and so in a sense subsidizes it for the rest of the world. 

 In an environment of unlimited demand and limited supply I think it&#039;s obvious that we must ration care. And if we must in some real sense ration care in order to control costs, I would choose to do so by slowing the pace of future innovation than to restrict the availability of current treatments with demonstrable efficacy.

One more component of reform I would like to see is that whatever the new system is, it provided access of each consumer to reasonable choices to control costs themselves by shouldering somewhat more risk. So for example you can choose a higher deductible plan with a lower monthly cost, so you could choose to try to save money presuming health, and then if you got sick it would be more expensive. I thin k the plans where you shoulder say a 10% or 20% cost up to a ceiling where 100% coverage kicks in are a sensible option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of a plan proposed by a bipartisan group composed of folks with legislative experience and without a reelection motive is appealing to me.</p>
<p>I am not against taxing benefits over a certain level, because I think part of reform should be leveling the playing field, in the sense of the system not having as many clear winners and clear losers. People with really great plans that are primarily funded by employers are enjoying a great deal, and if their deal is made a bit less great in order to make the deal better for the folks who usually slip through the cracks, that&#8217;s a pretty defensible compromise in my eyes.</p>
<p>Same thing with caps. Whatever providers and servicers are able to demand really high compensation for certain services are often (though not necessarily) getting a great deal. If that has to be capped to control costs, that&#8217;s Ok with me. And I&#8217;ll even go ahead and acknowledge that such caps may dampen the motivation for innovation. I think slowing the pace of new advances is probably a plus from the perspective of controlling costs. Currently, the high-cost US system generally finances innovations, and so in a sense subsidizes it for the rest of the world. </p>
<p> In an environment of unlimited demand and limited supply I think it&#8217;s obvious that we must ration care. And if we must in some real sense ration care in order to control costs, I would choose to do so by slowing the pace of future innovation than to restrict the availability of current treatments with demonstrable efficacy.</p>
<p>One more component of reform I would like to see is that whatever the new system is, it provided access of each consumer to reasonable choices to control costs themselves by shouldering somewhat more risk. So for example you can choose a higher deductible plan with a lower monthly cost, so you could choose to try to save money presuming health, and then if you got sick it would be more expensive. I thin k the plans where you shoulder say a 10% or 20% cost up to a ceiling where 100% coverage kicks in are a sensible option.</p>
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