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	<title>Comments on: House Barely Passes American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/26/house-barely-passes-american-clean-energy-and-security-act-of-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-496087</link>
		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this little nugget from CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml

Seems like the EPA has some &#039;splaining to do.  No wonder they wanted to rush this bill through as fast as the could; it doesn&#039;t hold up to scientific scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this little nugget from CBS: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml" >http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml</a></p>
<p>Seems like the EPA has some &#8216;splaining to do.  No wonder they wanted to rush this bill through as fast as the could; it doesn&#8217;t hold up to scientific scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Carrico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Carrico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO:

Mary Bono (R) CA-45
Michael Castle (R) DE-1
Mark Kirk (R) IL-10
Leonard Lance (R) NJ-7
Frank LoBiondo (R) NJ-2
John McHugh (R) NY-23
Dave Reichert (R) WA-8
Christopher Smith (R) NJ-4

H.R. 2454 passed 219 to 212, the eight of you would have made the
difference.

I am highly disappointed on your vote on H.R.2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act. When this is passed into law it will be a slap in the face of every American. It will raise our energy taxes and it is a job
killer: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY AMERICANS DEPEND ON COAL FOR INCOME? YOUR NO VOTE TELLS ME YOU DON&#039;T. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE JOBS LOSSES FROM COOL AND OIL WILL BE OFFSET BY CLEAN ENERGY SOURCES? I have visited solar and wind generators and there isn&#039;t a soul around, once in place no one is needed to be hired to daily attend them. And the wind and sun do not pay taxes either, you probably didn&#039;t think of that either.

YES, we need clean energy, but we need to be weaned off with incentives, not by taxing us to death. Heres an idea, build some clean nuclear plants, PLEASE!

Even after &quot;your&quot; Minority Leader read to you the load of crap in this
bill and you still voted yes, I can&#039;t believe it?

I am sure John Boehner had some choice words for you EIGHT PHONY
REPUBLICANS about the time he call this bill &quot;pile of shit.&quot;

44 Democrats voted NO to this bill, they understand!

&quot;Thanks&quot; for raising my energy taxes, my electric bill and the
unemployment rate!

I wish I could vote you out of office,

Vince
Virginia Beach, VA

P.S.
Oh yeah, &quot;Thanks&quot; to the two &quot;Republicans&quot; for not voting:
Jeff Flake (R) AZ-6
John Sullivan (R) OK-1
You guys suck too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO:</p>
<p>Mary Bono (R) CA-45<br />
Michael Castle (R) DE-1<br />
Mark Kirk (R) IL-10<br />
Leonard Lance (R) NJ-7<br />
Frank LoBiondo (R) NJ-2<br />
John McHugh (R) NY-23<br />
Dave Reichert (R) WA-8<br />
Christopher Smith (R) NJ-4</p>
<p>H.R. 2454 passed 219 to 212, the eight of you would have made the<br />
difference.</p>
<p>I am highly disappointed on your vote on H.R.2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act. When this is passed into law it will be a slap in the face of every American. It will raise our energy taxes and it is a job<br />
killer: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY AMERICANS DEPEND ON COAL FOR INCOME? YOUR NO VOTE TELLS ME YOU DON&#8217;T. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE JOBS LOSSES FROM COOL AND OIL WILL BE OFFSET BY CLEAN ENERGY SOURCES? I have visited solar and wind generators and there isn&#8217;t a soul around, once in place no one is needed to be hired to daily attend them. And the wind and sun do not pay taxes either, you probably didn&#8217;t think of that either.</p>
<p>YES, we need clean energy, but we need to be weaned off with incentives, not by taxing us to death. Heres an idea, build some clean nuclear plants, PLEASE!</p>
<p>Even after &#8220;your&#8221; Minority Leader read to you the load of crap in this<br />
bill and you still voted yes, I can&#8217;t believe it?</p>
<p>I am sure John Boehner had some choice words for you EIGHT PHONY<br />
REPUBLICANS about the time he call this bill &#8220;pile of shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>44 Democrats voted NO to this bill, they understand!</p>
<p>&#8220;Thanks&#8221; for raising my energy taxes, my electric bill and the<br />
unemployment rate!</p>
<p>I wish I could vote you out of office,</p>
<p>Vince<br />
Virginia Beach, VA</p>
<p>P.S.<br />
Oh yeah, &#8220;Thanks&#8221; to the two &#8220;Republicans&#8221; for not voting:<br />
Jeff Flake (R) AZ-6<br />
John Sullivan (R) OK-1<br />
You guys suck too!</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;â€œMake no mistake,â€ he emphasized. â€œThis is a jobs bill.â€&lt;/i&gt;

If it as represented and previous items are still in it...it&#039;s a big-time job-KILLER. So I guess calling it a &quot;jobs bil&quot; isn&#039;t quite a lie, it&#039;s just begging people to assume that means it will create more jobs than it destroys. I can&#039;t wait to hear how drastically hiking taxes and regulation and knocking down GDP a coupla points increases net domestic employment. You think US companies outsource overseas now? Just wait. 

I&#039;m also willing to place side bets that it increases rather than decreases our percentage of imported oil vs. domestically produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>â€œMake no mistake,â€ he emphasized. â€œThis is a jobs bill.â€</i></p>
<p>If it as represented and previous items are still in it&#8230;it&#8217;s a big-time job-KILLER. So I guess calling it a &#8220;jobs bil&#8221; isn&#8217;t quite a lie, it&#8217;s just begging people to assume that means it will create more jobs than it destroys. I can&#8217;t wait to hear how drastically hiking taxes and regulation and knocking down GDP a coupla points increases net domestic employment. You think US companies outsource overseas now? Just wait. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also willing to place side bets that it increases rather than decreases our percentage of imported oil vs. domestically produced.</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A jobs bill?  Spin-o-rama, Justin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A jobs bill?  Spin-o-rama, Justin!</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/26/house-barely-passes-american-clean-energy-and-security-act-of-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-493954</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worse than you think -- they have no clue as to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/wheres-the-bill-49208987.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what they actually voted on&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Through a series of parliamentary inquiries, the Republicans learned that the 300-plus page managers&#039; amendment, added to the bill last night in the House Rules Committee, has not even been been integrated with the official copy of the 1,090-page bill at the House Clerk&#039;s desk, let alone in any other location. The two documents are side-by-side at the desk as the clerk reads through the instructions in the 300 page document for altering the 1,090 page document.

But they cannot be simply combined, because the amendment contains 300 pages of items like this: &quot;Page 15, beginning line 8, strike paragraph (11)...&quot; How many members of Congress do you suppose have gone through it all to see how it changes the bill?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be &quot;none.&quot; No one who voted on the 1400-1500 page bill actually knows what&#039;s in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worse than you think &#8212; they have no clue as to <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/wheres-the-bill-49208987.html" >what they actually voted on</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Through a series of parliamentary inquiries, the Republicans learned that the 300-plus page managers&#8217; amendment, added to the bill last night in the House Rules Committee, has not even been been integrated with the official copy of the 1,090-page bill at the House Clerk&#8217;s desk, let alone in any other location. The two documents are side-by-side at the desk as the clerk reads through the instructions in the 300 page document for altering the 1,090 page document.</p>
<p>But they cannot be simply combined, because the amendment contains 300 pages of items like this: &#8220;Page 15, beginning line 8, strike paragraph (11)&#8230;&#8221; How many members of Congress do you suppose have gone through it all to see how it changes the bill?</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be &#8220;none.&#8221; No one who voted on the 1400-1500 page bill actually knows what&#8217;s in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/26/house-barely-passes-american-clean-energy-and-security-act-of-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-493912</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By one estimate, Spain&#039;s cap-and-trade system has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.speroforum.com/a/18796/Spain-Every-green-job-destroys-22-jobs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;destroyed 2.2 jobs for every 1 job created&lt;/a&gt;.  It was by far the most extensive &quot;green-job&quot; subsidy program in the EU.  In addition, Spain&#039;s yearly carbon emissions have increased by 50% since the program was launched.  Maybe this senate bill &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a jobs bill...a job destroying bill, but of course, no one sees the jobs that have been destroyed, nor the ones that would have been created elsewhere in the economy.

Does this bill even address what effect on the climate this new system will have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By one estimate, Spain&#8217;s cap-and-trade system has <a href="http://www.speroforum.com/a/18796/Spain-Every-green-job-destroys-22-jobs" >destroyed 2.2 jobs for every 1 job created</a>.  It was by far the most extensive &#8220;green-job&#8221; subsidy program in the EU.  In addition, Spain&#8217;s yearly carbon emissions have increased by 50% since the program was launched.  Maybe this senate bill <em>is</em> a jobs bill&#8230;a job destroying bill, but of course, no one sees the jobs that have been destroyed, nor the ones that would have been created elsewhere in the economy.</p>
<p>Does this bill even address what effect on the climate this new system will have?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Arvak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Arvak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the real objection is not that it will raise taxes, but rather that it will raise prices for all forms of energy by a massive amount.  Gasoline at $5-6 a gallon, tripled electricity and natural gas rates, etc, are the real danger with this scheme.  And the benefit?  One-tenth of one degree of hypothetical global warming prevented by the end of the century.  Yay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real objection is not that it will raise taxes, but rather that it will raise prices for all forms of energy by a massive amount.  Gasoline at $5-6 a gallon, tripled electricity and natural gas rates, etc, are the real danger with this scheme.  And the benefit?  One-tenth of one degree of hypothetical global warming prevented by the end of the century.  Yay.</p>
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