I normally agree with the content of your posts. However, your statement “by pragmatic standards Bill Clinton was a success” I take issue with. The further we get away from the Clinton Presidency it becomes more and more clear how truly awful he was. Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act, loaded his administration with investment bankers to numerous to mention, helped deregulate most aspects of the financial industry, and in large measure helped create this fine economic mess we now find ourselves in. In sum, I thought he sucked as a President. Atleast he sucked less than Bush – but sucked none the less. And that whole Monica thing was as ridiculous a notion as the thought of Sarah Palin running for president. A media shit storm created for the digestion of the media.

I could argue that Clinton made some TRAGIC mistakes that ought to make you doubt having voted for him–NAFTA and signing the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act–for example.

Clinton looks good only because he wasn’t George W. Bush, but at best he was only an average president

If by the time a president leaves office the constitution is safe, we haven’t gotten into too many major foreign policy debacles, people are just a bit freer than they were, and the budget’s no more of a disaster than strictly necessary, that’s enough: job well done.

By pragmatic standards Bill Clinton was a success. So I don’t care where he put his dick.

As for KK’s list, there is a difference between foolishness, lying, or mispeaking.

Bill Clinton is a lier and a fool, and I wouldn’t vote for him again even if he were running against Jeb Bush. Gary Hart was a cad and doesn’t get my vote, either. Newt “I’m divorcing my wife with cancer” Gingrich?

Dan “potatoe” Quayle? A boob.

In defense of Ronald “the bombing starts in 5 minutes” Reagan, (and I cannot believe I am defending him, it was an off microphone comment that was meant as a joke.

George HW “read my lips no new taxes” Bush’s going back on his pledge might have been political suicide, but he might be the most responsible politician in recent memory, not for flip flopping, but for recognizing the situation had changed and making a decision because of those changes.

I don’t think I need to go into GW, another lier who doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.

Palin, though, is GW-squared. She lies and lies and lies again and because the base supports her she thinks its OK. She rambles. She has the intellectual curiousity of a grasshopper. She thinks the rules don’t apply to her. She is a quitter.

If she is not done as a serious political candidate for the GOP, there is no hope for the Republicans. This may come as a shock, but I want the Republicans to be a strong party. I want them to counter balance the excesses of the Dems.

But if 7 of 10 people still think Palin is someone worth pulling the level for, there is no point in saving the GOP; best to just blow it up and start all over.

has anyone else made a bigger fool out of themselves, except for sandord or whatever that dude’s name is?

You mean like besides, oh, Bill Clinton, who got his dick sucked by a dumb intern and said it wasn’t sex. Or Joe “gaffe machine” Biden? or Gary “you’ll never catch me” Hart or Dan “potatoe” Quayle?Or Newt “I’m divorcing my wife with cancer” Gingrich? Or Ronald “the bombing starts in 5 minutes” Reagan. Or GW “I’m against nation-building” Bush? Or George HW “read my lips no new taxes” Bush?

I mean seriously. Dude.

Politicians make fools of themselves all the time. They are actually people just like us.

At this point polls are mostly just name recognition anyway. They didn’t poll on X because we don’t yet know who X is.

Link may not be accurate in a couple minutes, but the headline is 7 out of 10 republicans would vote for palin.

Does that scare anyone else?

Paul – has anyone else made a bigger fool out of themselves, except for sandord or whatever that dude’s name is?

Papa Ray: Buy more ammo? Is this somehow a threat?

Didn’t someone threaten all the “liberals” a couple of weeks ago in the comments? I’ve been seeing more and more of these threats from hardcore right wingers. Perhaps we should talk about that.

In the end for her to be a viable contender she still is going to have to find a way to appeal to moderates in both parties and overcome her reputation. It’s doable, but increasingly it is going to take a lot of hard work.

In my experience this is such boilerplate language for bailers that I think it must be in the PR handbook for such circumstances. Pure toro poo-poo if you ask me. I have never heard a public figure say this and believed them.

I think you need to sit down and read a little more because it seems you
are speaking from not only an uninformed position, but from a position of Ignorance.

That said. Don’t worry about Palin, let her take care of herself and don’t worry about Alaska, they can handle her being gone.

Just worry about the other states who can’t handle it now and damn sure won’t be able to handle it in the coming three years.

Or don’t worry at all, just lay back and enjoy it.

Or you could just buy more ammo.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA