Comments on: THE C.I.A. LIED TO US??? http://donklephant.com/2009/07/09/the-cia-lied-to-us/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:53:41 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Nick Benjamin http://donklephant.com/2009/07/09/the-cia-lied-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-542865 Nick Benjamin Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:56:08 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15520#comment-542865 I'm not sure this is a really big deal. Right after S11 one CIA idiot apparently used a fake execution to try to get a prisoner to talk. He was sent home, but not prosecuted. Presumably because in 2002 no jury would have convicted him. If that's all they covered up it's not a huge deal. If they covered up something more significant, such as waterboarding: http://www.drudge.com/archive/121020/pelosi-cia-lied-me-waterboarding it is a huge deal. But we won't know until more details come out, and I doubt more details will come out until Congress is back in session and the health care debate is over. BTW, remember back in June, when Pelosi was getting hammered for publicly claiming the CIA lied to her about waterboarding? Have you noticed that both right-wing crazies and the media have totally moved on, and apparently forgotten this ever happened? That'll happen with health care once it gets passed. I’m not sure this is a really big deal. Right after S11 one CIA idiot apparently used a fake execution to try to get a prisoner to talk. He was sent home, but not prosecuted. Presumably because in 2002 no jury would have convicted him. If that’s all they covered up it’s not a huge deal.

If they covered up something more significant, such as waterboarding:
http://www.drudge.com/archive/121020/pelosi-cia-lied-me-waterboarding
it is a huge deal. But we won’t know until more details come out, and I doubt more details will come out until Congress is back in session and the health care debate is over.

BTW, remember back in June, when Pelosi was getting hammered for publicly claiming the CIA lied to her about waterboarding? Have you noticed that both right-wing crazies and the media have totally moved on, and apparently forgotten this ever happened? That’ll happen with health care once it gets passed.

]]> By: DK http://donklephant.com/2009/07/09/the-cia-lied-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-542863 DK Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:15:31 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15520#comment-542863 I am convinced our founding fathers would never have allowed the U.S. government to have an organization like the CIA, which is a secret arm of the government which apparently is not accountable to anyone. I am convinced our founding fathers would never have allowed the U.S. government to have an organization like the CIA, which is a secret arm of the government which apparently is not accountable to anyone.

]]> By: Joshua http://donklephant.com/2009/07/09/the-cia-lied-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-506124 Joshua Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:56:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15520#comment-506124 Justin: <i>By the way, is it bad that I feel like I should be angry, but I’m not?</i> Not at all. Remember, the CIA is like Fight Club, in that their first rule is not to talk about Fight Club. That is, to keep their operations hidden from outsiders - even the ones footing their bills - as completely as possible for as long as possible. As far as I know, this is how they've always operated, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all this is just the tip of the iceberg. That said, if we have a problem with this, it seems to me the proper course is not to demand that the CIA change its ways (if they can keep so much secret for so long, how would we know if they really did or didn't change anyway?) but to abolish the CIA entirely, and either live with the ensuing loss of foreign intelligence or devise a new means of gathering it. Justin: By the way, is it bad that I feel like I should be angry, but I’m not?

Not at all. Remember, the CIA is like Fight Club, in that their first rule is not to talk about Fight Club. That is, to keep their operations hidden from outsiders – even the ones footing their bills – as completely as possible for as long as possible. As far as I know, this is how they’ve always operated, so I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to learn that all this is just the tip of the iceberg.

That said, if we have a problem with this, it seems to me the proper course is not to demand that the CIA change its ways (if they can keep so much secret for so long, how would we know if they really did or didn’t change anyway?) but to abolish the CIA entirely, and either live with the ensuing loss of foreign intelligence or devise a new means of gathering it.

]]> By: Steve http://donklephant.com/2009/07/09/the-cia-lied-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-506078 Steve Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:35:53 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=15520#comment-506078 It may be just weariness after 8 years of this crap. It may be just weariness after 8 years of this crap.

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