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	<title>Comments on: Music Industry Opens Pandora&#8217;s Box on Copyright Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Mike A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea Pandora&#039;s very fxxking amazing.  It&#039;s more than  a simple streaming site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea Pandora&#8217;s very fxxking amazing.  It&#8217;s more than  a simple streaming site.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t used other streaming services recently, but some services I did use had interruption style advertising just like radio, but you could change the channel as there are tens of thousands of them across the web. Pandora&#039;s ads are all banner style. They never interrupt the flow of music. That isn&#039;t the reason I use Pandora almost exclusively, but its a perk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t used other streaming services recently, but some services I did use had interruption style advertising just like radio, but you could change the channel as there are tens of thousands of them across the web. Pandora&#8217;s ads are all banner style. They never interrupt the flow of music. That isn&#8217;t the reason I use Pandora almost exclusively, but its a perk.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most folks don&#039;t care, and flow to whatever&#039;s free. Like them, I am happy to leave the squabbling over who gets what slice of the shrinking pie to the various enterprises involved.

Personally, I am very sympathetic to the notion that creators deserve to profit from their creations. How much profit?  Well that&#039;s being constantly renegotiated by copying and sharing technology, isn&#039;t it?

I&#039;d be even more sympathetic to copyright protection if copyrights didn&#039;t last so GD long, 75 or 100 years or more. Which is just silly when patents only last 17 years... .

One thing I can&#039;t help but notice is that when musical entertainment revenue goes down, that shrinks the profit motive for musicians. As an amateur musician, I am not convinced that this is necessarily THAT bad a thing. Arguably, decreasing the profit motive clears the way for those driven by their art as opposed to celebrity and profit.

Here&#039;s the thing,: at least within the domain of popular music, musical performers that are the most successful of the modern era seem to me to be, by and large, dreadful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most folks don&#8217;t care, and flow to whatever&#8217;s free. Like them, I am happy to leave the squabbling over who gets what slice of the shrinking pie to the various enterprises involved.</p>
<p>Personally, I am very sympathetic to the notion that creators deserve to profit from their creations. How much profit?  Well that&#8217;s being constantly renegotiated by copying and sharing technology, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be even more sympathetic to copyright protection if copyrights didn&#8217;t last so GD long, 75 or 100 years or more. Which is just silly when patents only last 17 years&#8230; .</p>
<p>One thing I can&#8217;t help but notice is that when musical entertainment revenue goes down, that shrinks the profit motive for musicians. As an amateur musician, I am not convinced that this is necessarily THAT bad a thing. Arguably, decreasing the profit motive clears the way for those driven by their art as opposed to celebrity and profit.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing,: at least within the domain of popular music, musical performers that are the most successful of the modern era seem to me to be, by and large, dreadful.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnostick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t listen to a lot of internet radio--but I have listened to some in the past.  When you say &quot;internet radio,&quot; Solomon, I&#039;m going to assume that you&#039;re talking about a webcaster that puts out a data stream that is only available online... as opposed to the local AM terrestrial &quot;scream porn&quot; broadcaster that just duplicates, online, their on-air signal.

Like I said, I don&#039;t know how it is today... but the last time I recall listening to something like this was one of the VH-1 online stations.  Sound quality issues aside, I did enjoy the fact that the music or programming stream wasn&#039;t interrupted nearly as much as with terrestrial commercial radio.

What kind of ads will a user be exposed to by a webcaster?  Banner ads that appear on the media player, but don&#039;t interrupt the music?  Traditional audio ads?  Video ads?

With banner ads, popups or any other &quot;silent&quot; advertising, it&#039;s pretty easy to fire up the music, minimize the player, and you have a pretty much advertising-free experience.

I&#039;m just rambling here, but the bottom line is, what kind of advertising is involved in webcasting?  How &quot;captive&quot; is that audience?  When you&#039;re in the car, and the music stops and the commercials start, you can sometimes punch a button and click over to another station for a few minutes.  How does that compare with webcasting?

The degree to which ad revenue can sustain webcasters, will greatly impact the need for subscription fees.

Agnostick
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t listen to a lot of internet radio&#8211;but I have listened to some in the past.  When you say &#8220;internet radio,&#8221; Solomon, I&#8217;m going to assume that you&#8217;re talking about a webcaster that puts out a data stream that is only available online&#8230; as opposed to the local AM terrestrial &#8220;scream porn&#8221; broadcaster that just duplicates, online, their on-air signal.</p>
<p>Like I said, I don&#8217;t know how it is today&#8230; but the last time I recall listening to something like this was one of the VH-1 online stations.  Sound quality issues aside, I did enjoy the fact that the music or programming stream wasn&#8217;t interrupted nearly as much as with terrestrial commercial radio.</p>
<p>What kind of ads will a user be exposed to by a webcaster?  Banner ads that appear on the media player, but don&#8217;t interrupt the music?  Traditional audio ads?  Video ads?</p>
<p>With banner ads, popups or any other &#8220;silent&#8221; advertising, it&#8217;s pretty easy to fire up the music, minimize the player, and you have a pretty much advertising-free experience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just rambling here, but the bottom line is, what kind of advertising is involved in webcasting?  How &#8220;captive&#8221; is that audience?  When you&#8217;re in the car, and the music stops and the commercials start, you can sometimes punch a button and click over to another station for a few minutes.  How does that compare with webcasting?</p>
<p>The degree to which ad revenue can sustain webcasters, will greatly impact the need for subscription fees.</p>
<p>Agnostick<br />
<a href="mailto:agnostick@excite.com">agnostick@excite.com</a></p>
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