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		<title>By: jacob.donklephant</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/08/04/news-headlines-for-independents-3/comment-page-1/#comment-532512</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Letâ€™s keep talking. Thanks so much for your thought-provoking comment!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, let&#039;s!  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Letâ€™s keep talking. Thanks so much for your thought-provoking comment!</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, let&#8217;s!  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Hanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Hanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tully, thanks for your encouragement!! 

jacob - Yes, I liked the Javers article too, and to your question, my goal, such as it is, is to bring to light the many ways that independents are being talked about, and hopefully including the words and more importantly the ongoing activities of actual independents (on the ground, so to speak -- activists) so that thoughtful political people can talk and dialogue on all these issues more independently, in a less partisan manner. A government of the people, by the people, for the people is a very tall order given our current bureaucratic and alienated systemized governmental procedure. 

Apple didn&#039;t get built that way, and for that matter neither did we! We need a resurgence of political entrepreneurship! It&#039;s a matter of creativity, building new things, inventions, possibilities. Brand loyalty is something that commercial enterprises have learned from psychology and I wouldn&#039;t deny the power of advertising. But marketing doesn&#039;t replace the production of new ideas, new forms, new products. 

What are we going to do with it? I really hope we can become a more creative people in the name of humanity. I think you have hit the nail on the head when you say &quot;I suppose we start by just getting involved and making our voices heard.&quot; At the same time, I wouldn&#039;t discount the &quot;lunatics at either fringe&quot; -- there might be a good idea or 2 there! I also seriously doubt that we will ever get the Donks and Phants to listen. They&#039;re the establishment! Why would they listen? I would go further and say that we should start now to create a new way of doing politics. 

And what will we say when we do that? We&#039;ll say whatever we want to say, and whatever we need to say, on our own behalf. Will our voice have a particular ideology? I don&#039;t think so -- we have to move beyond ideology to say what we have to say I think.

Let&#039;s keep talking. Thanks so much for your thought-provoking comment!
Nancy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tully, thanks for your encouragement!! </p>
<p>jacob &#8211; Yes, I liked the Javers article too, and to your question, my goal, such as it is, is to bring to light the many ways that independents are being talked about, and hopefully including the words and more importantly the ongoing activities of actual independents (on the ground, so to speak &#8212; activists) so that thoughtful political people can talk and dialogue on all these issues more independently, in a less partisan manner. A government of the people, by the people, for the people is a very tall order given our current bureaucratic and alienated systemized governmental procedure. </p>
<p>Apple didn&#8217;t get built that way, and for that matter neither did we! We need a resurgence of political entrepreneurship! It&#8217;s a matter of creativity, building new things, inventions, possibilities. Brand loyalty is something that commercial enterprises have learned from psychology and I wouldn&#8217;t deny the power of advertising. But marketing doesn&#8217;t replace the production of new ideas, new forms, new products. </p>
<p>What are we going to do with it? I really hope we can become a more creative people in the name of humanity. I think you have hit the nail on the head when you say &#8220;I suppose we start by just getting involved and making our voices heard.&#8221; At the same time, I wouldn&#8217;t discount the &#8220;lunatics at either fringe&#8221; &#8212; there might be a good idea or 2 there! I also seriously doubt that we will ever get the Donks and Phants to listen. They&#8217;re the establishment! Why would they listen? I would go further and say that we should start now to create a new way of doing politics. </p>
<p>And what will we say when we do that? We&#8217;ll say whatever we want to say, and whatever we need to say, on our own behalf. Will our voice have a particular ideology? I don&#8217;t think so &#8212; we have to move beyond ideology to say what we have to say I think.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep talking. Thanks so much for your thought-provoking comment!<br />
Nancy</p>
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		<title>By: jacob.donklephant</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nancy.  That Javers link was awesome.

If I may, whatâ€™s your goal with all this?  Is it to build a new party and make it viable (the Donklephant Party!)?  Or is it to work on the hearts and minds of the people, and in the bowels of our government, until all third parties are viable options?

It seems like in many contexts independents are just pendulums that swing back and forth between Republicans and Democrats.  They swung over to Obama last year and &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2009/08/05/the-joker-barack-obama/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;if all goes well&lt;/a&gt; will swing back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2009/07/30/poll-palin-and-romney-face-uphill-battle-in-2012/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whoever&lt;/a&gt; in 2012.

If you agree with Javers (and I do), America is ripe for real change.  Which, to me, means breaking free of the two party system.  Trippi and  Dean taught us the power of the internet to build a movement and, apparently (though Iâ€™m not sure how to apply it yet), Apple can teach us a few things about building loyalty ...

But what are we going to do with it?  I suppose we start by just getting involved and making our voices heard.  When weâ€™re louder than the lunatics at either fringe and the Donks and the Phants are forced to listen, though, what are we going to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nancy.  That Javers link was awesome.</p>
<p>If I may, whatâ€™s your goal with all this?  Is it to build a new party and make it viable (the Donklephant Party!)?  Or is it to work on the hearts and minds of the people, and in the bowels of our government, until all third parties are viable options?</p>
<p>It seems like in many contexts independents are just pendulums that swing back and forth between Republicans and Democrats.  They swung over to Obama last year and <a href="http://donklephant.com/2009/08/05/the-joker-barack-obama/" rel="nofollow">if all goes well</a> will swing back to <a href="http://donklephant.com/2009/07/30/poll-palin-and-romney-face-uphill-battle-in-2012/" >whoever</a> in 2012.</p>
<p>If you agree with Javers (and I do), America is ripe for real change.  Which, to me, means breaking free of the two party system.  Trippi and  Dean taught us the power of the internet to build a movement and, apparently (though Iâ€™m not sure how to apply it yet), Apple can teach us a few things about building loyalty &#8230;</p>
<p>But what are we going to do with it?  I suppose we start by just getting involved and making our voices heard.  When weâ€™re louder than the lunatics at either fringe and the Donks and the Phants are forced to listen, though, what are we going to say?</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say I am enjoying my Daily Hanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say I am enjoying my Daily Hanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Hanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Hanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, gives people (not parties) some leverage! Entrenched special interests don&#039;t deserve our loyalty -- but democracy does, I think. I&#039;m in favor of increased democracy which means ordinary people taking responsibility for our political culture and participating in creating new forms of political life.... I love that we have a community organizer as President -- gives people a sense of possibilities we created that were not there before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, gives people (not parties) some leverage! Entrenched special interests don&#8217;t deserve our loyalty &#8212; but democracy does, I think. I&#8217;m in favor of increased democracy which means ordinary people taking responsibility for our political culture and participating in creating new forms of political life&#8230;. I love that we have a community organizer as President &#8212; gives people a sense of possibilities we created that were not there before.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Azulay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Azulay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fickle we may be, but one thing&#039;s consistent:  Independents are growing in number and that&#039;s a good thing!  The more the politicians have to pay attention to what concerns the American people, rather than count on &quot;party loyalty&quot;, the better off we&#039;ll all be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fickle we may be, but one thing&#8217;s consistent:  Independents are growing in number and that&#8217;s a good thing!  The more the politicians have to pay attention to what concerns the American people, rather than count on &#8220;party loyalty&#8221;, the better off we&#8217;ll all be.</p>
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