Also, do you think the same party that believes RU487 is akin to abortion makes any sort of distinction between “denial of life extending care” and “euthanasia?” Because if they were…why are we even having this argument in the first place? If they weren’t conflating the two, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But they DO think it’s euthanasia or at least they’re saying it is to scare people. That’s the huge point you’re missing here, and to suggest that people who point that out are just as bad as the Republicans is, well, dead wrong.

@KK – I cannot answer that. But it does happen now and will happen under Obamacare.

Here’s what Newt Gingrich on This Week, which I posted about yesterday…

“Communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept,” the Georgia Republican said. “You are asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there are clearly people in American who believe in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards.”

Also, what do you think Grassley is talking about when he says “pulling the plug on grandma?”

So, what Repubs are arguing is the idea that denying care based on medical conditions is a form of involuntary euthanasia. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with it either because I think the logic isn’t sound, but that’s what they’re arguing. And they’re completely ignoring how the private insurance industry does this all the time.

Last, I would appreciate some amendment to your comment since you’re calling me a liar. I think it’s pretty inappropriate that you’re making that comparison between me and them because you disagree with the semantics of my argument.

“Unplugging Grandma” is not euthanasia. It is a denial of life extending care. Euthanasia in actively killing. Different.

Which in your opinion is more reprehensible and why?

Those that are promoting the “Death Panel” meme are claiming that there is a mechanism for denying life-saving care to the elderly based on cost. This is a vastly different thing then euthanasia.

“Unplugging Grandma” is not euthanasia. It is a denial of life extending care. Euthanasia in actively killing. Different.

That’s been obvious from the start. Seeking “bipartisanship” with people who accuse you of wanting to euthanize old people is hopeless. The Republicans haven’t shown any good faith, and they won’t.

It’s long past time to move on from “bipartisanship” and do what the voters who elected all these Democrats elected them to do. The town hall screamers are not people who voted for Obama. They lost.

Could you go over that one more time for me? I think I misunderstood what corporations had their hand up the a$$ of which party.

While we have a good time railing against the evil Republicans., perhaps we should occasionally recall that this is a Democratic President, with a Democratic filibuster proof senate, and a 80 vote plurality Democratic House of Representatives and a 100% pure all Democratic deal with Big Pharma that is now the centerpiece of this “reform”.

You’re talking about people dumb enough to believe in death panels. They need lawyers. And diapers.

Grandma can write her own living will anytime she wishes. The only other person allowed to write a “living will” for an individual is an attorney. How does a “health insurance reform” include such a bonus for lawyers?

Oh!

Yay! Now grandma’s insurance won’t help pay for a living will. Yay! Now she can let her kids decide when to pull the plug. It’s a win for everyone.

That’s right, a GOP senator introduced the death panel legislation.

Personally, Chris and Mike, I think you are being to kind to these folks.

All they have left is a will to destroy their enemies. LIke dead wasps they can still sting.