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	<title>Comments on: Yes, Extraordinary Rendition To Continue Under Obama</title>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/08/25/yes-extraordinary-rendition-to-continue-under-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-542959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama lied.  Gerry cried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama lied.  Gerry cried.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/08/25/yes-extraordinary-rendition-to-continue-under-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-542926</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say anything about trusting him. Somebody still has to pay attention to the renditions that happen.

But there&#039;s a time when distrust becomes psychotic.

For example this article says jack about Extraordinary Rendition. The word &quot;Extraordinary&quot; does not appear in the article. At all. Which means Obama was probably talking about simple renditions.

As extradition is a form of simple rendition the most logical conclusion from this article is that Obama will continue to  extradite accused criminals, and some goo-goo types are worried that he&#039;ll send them to shady countries. The kind of place where they  find somebody the government doesn&#039;t like, charge him with rape, extradite him, torture him into confessing, and execute him on national TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say anything about trusting him. Somebody still has to pay attention to the renditions that happen.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a time when distrust becomes psychotic.</p>
<p>For example this article says jack about Extraordinary Rendition. The word &#8220;Extraordinary&#8221; does not appear in the article. At all. Which means Obama was probably talking about simple renditions.</p>
<p>As extradition is a form of simple rendition the most logical conclusion from this article is that Obama will continue to  extradite accused criminals, and some goo-goo types are worried that he&#8217;ll send them to shady countries. The kind of place where they  find somebody the government doesn&#8217;t like, charge him with rape, extradite him, torture him into confessing, and execute him on national TV.</p>
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		<title>By: gerryf</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerryf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s crap. Total crap. Obama should be ashamed of himself.  Before we call the democrat-controlled congress a lapdog, though, let&#039;s at least wait a couple hours.

I absolutely agree this stinks. And it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if Obama chose vaction time with Congress out of town to announce it. I hope that there are enough spines left among these people to call it the way they see it and demand better.
 
I agree, these are difficult questions, but we sent Obama to Washington to answer difficult questions. If we wanted and imbecile to be president there were plenty to choose from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s crap. Total crap. Obama should be ashamed of himself.  Before we call the democrat-controlled congress a lapdog, though, let&#8217;s at least wait a couple hours.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree this stinks. And it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if Obama chose vaction time with Congress out of town to announce it. I hope that there are enough spines left among these people to call it the way they see it and demand better.</p>
<p>I agree, these are difficult questions, but we sent Obama to Washington to answer difficult questions. If we wanted and imbecile to be president there were plenty to choose from.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;But please don’t assume he’s gonna do the latter until he actually does it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - nb&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah we all trust Obama to always do the right thing. As a consequence, it is perfectly  ok to have a government ruled by the good intentions of men and not by law. Even though I expect the 22nd amendment will be repealed and Obama will President for all of my lifetime, for some of you younger kids - you may want to just consider the possibility that these rules may someday be in effect with a Republican president. I hope you will be as sanguine about it with a President Romney or .... I can&#039;t say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;But please don’t assume he’s gonna do the latter until he actually does it.&#8221;</i> &#8211; nb</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah we all trust Obama to always do the right thing. As a consequence, it is perfectly  ok to have a government ruled by the good intentions of men and not by law. Even though I expect the 22nd amendment will be repealed and Obama will President for all of my lifetime, for some of you younger kids &#8211; you may want to just consider the possibility that these rules may someday be in effect with a Republican president. I hope you will be as sanguine about it with a President Romney or &#8230;. I can&#8217;t say it.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How unsurprising. I supported Obama in  full expectation that our foreign policy would not reallychange all that much, especially on such matters.

Fact is, our government sometimes uses whatever means necessary to covertly identify and locate dangerous characters. And then it sometimes skirts our most idealistic principles concerning civil rights in order to avoid letting such folks go. 

And yeah, that&#039;s troubling and disappointing in a sense. But such folks may often be  be guilty even if we can&#039;t prove it legally. So it may well in fact keep us much safer. It&#039;s a conundrum.

And I guess my attitude has little bit of fennel in it. IOW, if you like your sausage the way it is now, don&#039;t visit the sausage factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How unsurprising. I supported Obama in  full expectation that our foreign policy would not reallychange all that much, especially on such matters.</p>
<p>Fact is, our government sometimes uses whatever means necessary to covertly identify and locate dangerous characters. And then it sometimes skirts our most idealistic principles concerning civil rights in order to avoid letting such folks go. </p>
<p>And yeah, that&#8217;s troubling and disappointing in a sense. But such folks may often be  be guilty even if we can&#8217;t prove it legally. So it may well in fact keep us much safer. It&#8217;s a conundrum.</p>
<p>And I guess my attitude has little bit of fennel in it. IOW, if you like your sausage the way it is now, don&#8217;t visit the sausage factory.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...“change” was going to be something requiring active belief, such as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and underpants gnomes.&quot;

Yea, like &quot;fiscal conservatives&quot; or &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;“change” was going to be something requiring active belief, such as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and underpants gnomes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yea, like &#8220;fiscal conservatives&#8221; or &#8220;compassionate conservatism&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what lawyers call the act of handing someone whose been extradited to France over to the French authorities? Rendition. You can&#039;t really ban it completely.

If Obama&#039;s gonna give prisoners their day in Court, and demand assurances they won&#039;t be tortured, his policy is a great idea. It&#039;s what every President did before S11. If by transparency he just means telling people their fathers were sent to Syria, good luck,  it&#039;s a problem. But please don&#039;t assume he&#039;s gonna do the latter until he actually does it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what lawyers call the act of handing someone whose been extradited to France over to the French authorities? Rendition. You can&#8217;t really ban it completely.</p>
<p>If Obama&#8217;s gonna give prisoners their day in Court, and demand assurances they won&#8217;t be tortured, his policy is a great idea. It&#8217;s what every President did before S11. If by transparency he just means telling people their fathers were sent to Syria, good luck,  it&#8217;s a problem. But please don&#8217;t assume he&#8217;s gonna do the latter until he actually does it.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,
I&#039;m glad you posted this.  It goes beyond this one issue.  People were rightly outraged by the executive over-reach of the Bush/Cheney administration.  Torture, renditions, suspension of habeas corpus, spying on citizens, right to counsel, rule of law, politicizing Justice,  the list goes on. 

At least with a divided government, Congress was exercising some oversight, exposing, investigating and reeling in the worst of the excesses. Think about the reaction in Congress now if a McCain administration promoted these exact policies. 

With the Dem majority now embracing the role of congressional lap dog, and Obama embracing and in some cases even expanding the Bush Cheney definition of the Unitary Executive, we are in a much more dangerous situation.   Bush/Cheney excesses could have and should have been considered an extreme outlier, something to be rolled back by this administration and Congress. Instead, Obama is institutionalizing and making permanent the Bush/Cheney executive power grabs.

This is bad. This is very bad. 

The Supes are the only firewall left. I just hope that Obama will appoint justices that will declare his actions unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,<br />
I&#8217;m glad you posted this.  It goes beyond this one issue.  People were rightly outraged by the executive over-reach of the Bush/Cheney administration.  Torture, renditions, suspension of habeas corpus, spying on citizens, right to counsel, rule of law, politicizing Justice,  the list goes on. </p>
<p>At least with a divided government, Congress was exercising some oversight, exposing, investigating and reeling in the worst of the excesses. Think about the reaction in Congress now if a McCain administration promoted these exact policies. </p>
<p>With the Dem majority now embracing the role of congressional lap dog, and Obama embracing and in some cases even expanding the Bush Cheney definition of the Unitary Executive, we are in a much more dangerous situation.   Bush/Cheney excesses could have and should have been considered an extreme outlier, something to be rolled back by this administration and Congress. Instead, Obama is institutionalizing and making permanent the Bush/Cheney executive power grabs.</p>
<p>This is bad. This is very bad. </p>
<p>The Supes are the only firewall left. I just hope that Obama will appoint justices that will declare his actions unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the campaign slogan was &quot;Change we can believe in&quot; because that &quot;change&quot; was going to be something requiring active belief, such as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and underpants gnomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the campaign slogan was &#8220;Change we can believe in&#8221; because that &#8220;change&#8221; was going to be something requiring active belief, such as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and underpants gnomes.</p>
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