Then debate it. Prove me wrong that Democrats do not have a plan and have had a plan for 60 years to keep the poor perpetually in poverty.

Doomed,

You are demanding we prove a universal negative. It is impossible to do so logically.

Your demand also demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of courteous rational debate. Plans are not used in these debates for the simple reason that they cannot be empirically verified.

It is trivial to prove George W. Bush went to war in Iraq on flawed intelligence, that along the way his friends got rich, and that for several years his war plans were stupid. Figuring out why he did all these things, OTOH, is not trivial. Some folks say he just screwed up, others impart more sinister motives.

Any debate between the two sides will rapidly degenerate into a flame war simply because there is no way for either side to prove itself right. And this is not the place for flame wars.

A.) Agnostic starts out calling me a troll.

B.) Chris Calls me a dumb ass Parrot…..YOU suggest I am a lair.

C.) Word and everyone else here says they don’t take me seriously.

Then You said………That is because your general tone and thoughtlessness annoy me much like getting poked with a stick would. They don’t belong here.

What is it exactly that doesnt belong here? Me saying annoying things about Democrats policy in general that YOU take personally or……….someone calling me names which you agree with and is perpetually acceptable because you agree with the general tone of the negative statements aimed at me? You suggesting I am a liar.

It seems ONLY I am supposed to follow this etiquette while summarily being beaten with the bully pulpit that the rest of those here get to use it with immunity.

Perhaps this site should just state……no dissenting opinions allowed. Then I would have just moved along.

Right now people are challenging you to be mindful of the community and respectful of the conversation. Mostly you should think about the ideas expressed by the person you’re speaking with before you hastily craft and post a reply.

The reason I like this this site so much is because the people participating are capable of listening to different opinions, using facts and logic as tools to craft a dialogue, and sometimes even changing their minds when confronted with thoughtful expressions and explorations of ideas.

In the first paragraph above you ask me three times to prove you wrong. Then you start the second paragraph with

The fact is you can’t.

You don’t think I can. You’re not going to listen to my answer. Why should I waste my time?

I said

When I read your comments I feel like I’m being hit with a stick.

That is because your general tone and thoughtlessness annoy me much like getting poked with a stick would. They don’t belong here.

You said

I can keep my emotions in check and still debate policy.

I said

saying things like:

Democrats drug of choice…..POVERTY.

is not emotionless policy debate.

You said

It is full of emotion because …

demonstrating that

A. You can not, in fact, keep your emotions in check
B. You are not interested in keeping your emotions in check
C. You are not thinking about the things you say – or you are a liar

Either way, it tarnishes my experience and I wish you would learn how participate here or leave.

Prove me wrong. Show me where Im wrong.

The fact is you can’t. The democrats have perpetually given the poor entitlement programs that are designed to do one thing. Keep them continually in the projects and keep them dependent upon them for their handouts.

What have they actually done to take the poor out of the poorhouse? I can’t think of one thing.

Your right about one thing It is full of emotion because the left continually paints the right as poor hating, racists who sit up at night wondering how they are going to molly coddle to Al Gore, George Soros, Kennedy family and Michael Moore.

The problem with the Republicans is they have let them. I wonder how compassionate the left would be if 10′s of millions of illegal aliens flooded into the country all wanting to join the Republican party???

If the left wants to portray me as a racist, redneck, Nazi loving biggot. How do you think 99 percent of us on the right feel?

And you have the gaul to say I hit you with a stick by claiming the democrats drug of choice is poverty?

I understand…..I am so mean to you.

Turd Blossom is an affectionate nickname given to Karl Rove by George W. Bush. No one is calling names.

Well, almost no one. Referring to the people at Donklephant as “far left” (like Bill O’Reilly does) is name calling and constantly saying things like:

Democrats drug of choice…..POVERTY.

is not emotionless policy debate.

When I read your comments I feel like I’m being hit with a stick. That is why I do not take you seriously.

So you calling someone Turd Blossom makes people take you seriously?

Only in your world……Word….only in your world.

Everyone here is using the tags of defamation, replete with anger and rage at anything right of Wade Radke on this site and we are supposed to take you guys seriously.

I’m not surprised that no one here takes me seriously. After all I want to debate topics not name call. But people like you wont let it go. You can’t speak of the right without throwing out Turd Blossoms.

Me…Obama is a nice guy. I wish him well. He doesnt make me angry. I dont like his politics. I am opposed to his policies and I think he lied to get elected…….what politican hasnt.

The difference with me and most every other name caller on this site is that I can keep my emotions in check and still debate policy.

Where you guys on the far left are only stuck with Alinsky style tactics of name calling, demonization because their is no substance to your positions.

Only idealogical dreams in a world full of nightmares.

Only on Capitol hill and in the hearts of far left idealogues can you possibly believe that the government can create ANOTHER keep the poor…..POOR entitlement program that pays for itself.

Democrats drug of choice…..POVERTY.

I guess Alinsky was a Republican. It’s what the GOP has been doing for years. Never as much as in the Bush years with Turd Blossom.

The problem is truly that no one takes you seriously. Except you.

What is an Alinsky thing is to polarize, Isolate and demonize your opponent.

Much like everyone is doing here to me.

No one is debating me here because in every debate…..EVER….the far left looses on substance…always has and always will…so the new debate tactic is to simply

Isolate, polarize and demonize anyone who dares stand up and say anything………and declare that a win.

Those tactics are on thin ice and they are growing thinner by the day.

Its much more fun calling anyone whom you disagree with names.

Gotcha.

All I get from the people here is SIN

S……..Switch….you know your talking to a liberal when you tell them health care is going to cost a fortune and they swtich the subject….Like I mentioned BDS and someone calls me a troll.

I……Ignore……..they ignore facts. You point out to them that the bill says in black and white….WERE GOING TO RAISE TAXES and they ignore the facts and keep on calling you a troll.

N….Name call…..Once they run out of talking points and they see your still here……..they start calling you names…..you know like………TROLL.

Liberals commit sin everyday….sometimes its just more flagrant than others….Like Agnostics inability to discuss topics with someone who does not share his world view and hence such person is labelled a troll.

FYI…you dont get to label me Agnostic……I dont play the Alinsky game. I’ve read the book. I know the rules and you dont get to make them when it comes to me.

* Does the person ask the same questions worded in different ways? Does the person ignore suggestions or responses from other members of the community? If the community has a frequently asked question (FAQ) section, does the person seemingly refuse to read it?

* Has the person posted inflammatory remarks that have no real substance to them?

* Does he or she make it a habit to post messages that include insults and vulgar language?

* Does he or she respond to other members in a purely negative, critical way?

* Does the person post messages that are generally off-topic? Does he or she seem to want only attention rather than discuss the topic at hand?

* Does the person resurrect old conversations or discussions that were once controversial within the community? Some trolls enjoy bringing back old arguments to encourage dissent within a group.

* When confronted with a counter argument, does the person in question change tactics rather than answer the points made by another member? Does the person employ logical fallacies within their posts?