Will seniors sit still for half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts?

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Seniors: One super-voting bloc politicians mess with at their peril

For months now, it’s been clear that the road to “deficit neutral” health care reform is a bumpy, maybe even dangerous, one for seniors. Ironically, in their zeal to extend health insurance to the roughly 40 million people who don’t have any, President Obama and many Democrats in Congress appear ready to make deep cuts in Medicare, a program that is on the short list of the signal domestic accomplishments of the Democratic Party over the past 80 years, alongside Social Security, labor rights, and civil rights. What the 45 million seniors and people with disabilities who depend on Medicare are going to think about this remains unclear, although it’s hard to see why they would embrace it with resignation.

A new report from the non-partisan Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid, has now confirmed the $500 billion in cuts in the House health care bill that passed a week ago will reduce Medicare benefits and run a real risk of limiting seniors’ access to care. From the Washington Post:

A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.

The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

Congress could intervene to avoid such an outcome, but “so doing would likely result in significantly smaller actual savings” than is currently projected, according to the analysis by the chief actuary for the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid. That would wipe out a big chunk of the financing for the health-care reform package, which is projected to cost $1.05 trillion over the next decade.

More generally, the report questions whether the country’s network of doctors and hospitals would be able to cope with the effects of a reform package expected to add more than 30 million people to the ranks of the insured, many of them through Medicaid, the public health program for the poor.

In the face of greatly increased demand for services, providers are likely to charge higher fees or take patients with better-paying private insurance over Medicaid recipients, “exacerbating existing access problems” in that program, according to the report from Richard S. Foster of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

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In its most recent analysis of the House bill, the CBO noted that Medicare spending per beneficiary would have to grow at roughly half the rate it has over the past two decades to meet the measure’s savings targets, a dramatic reduction that many budget and health policy experts consider unrealistic. [Emphasis added.]

Whatever bill Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid takes to the Senate floor this week will also have to rely on hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicare cuts to pay for it.

Most of the public debate about health care reform has focused on the issue of a public option and the overall cost, with the Medicare cuts usually mentioned only in passing. It wasn’t long ago that more liberal Democrats were the fiercest defenders of of Medicare and Medicaid, as in 2007 when President Bush proposed cuts that were a fraction of those now approved by House Democrats. No more. Democrats want to pass a bill, so they are largely mum on this topic and talk only about generating “efficiencies” and tackling “abuses” in Medicare.

And the Republicans? Some Republicans may take it up as a talking point now and then, but the GOP’s deep-seated objection to “entitlements” like Medicare and Medicaid eliminate them from serious contention as a defender of seniors in this case.

What about the supposed “seniors’ lobby,” AARP? It has thrown its support behind the House bill in a deal that will bring more customers to its lucrative insurance business.

So seniors are on their own. But here’s the thing about that. Seniors — and near-seniors — are handily the most reliable group of voters. They may have to hobble on their canes to get to the polling place, but they do vote.

As early as last July, it was already noteworthy in many polls that opposition to health care reform was higher among seniors. That’s still true — but you ain’t seen nothing yet. Assuming a bill that cuts $400-500 billion from Medicare is signed into law, the issue will no longer be hypothetical, or muddled by a constantly changing and confusing array of proposals, or hidden behind high-minded rhetoric and clever spin. When it becomes clear to seniors that their health insurance benefits actually have been reduced and that it’s going to even harder to find a doctor who accepts Medicare patients (a growing number of physicians have already opted out of Medicare),anyone who voted for it is going to have a hard time convincing constituents over 60 that it’s a good deal.

Anyway, it’s not just about politics. What’s so “progressive” about slashing health care benefits for tens of millions of older Americans — a large majority of whom have low to moderate incomes — to subsidize benefits for younger Americans, many of whom don’t want insurance now and will resent being obligated to take on premium payments? Beats me.

Cross-posted from The Purple Center.


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24 Responses to “Will seniors sit still for half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts?”

  1. Mike Says:

    The CMS report is damning since it comes from a non-partisan, government source.

    But, in reality, the medicare cuts aren’t going to be realized. They were just used to make it look like the bill was deficit neutral. That’s how they can get the support of both senior groups and (supposed) deficit hawks. As soon as the bill is passed, they will undo the cuts. Welcome to the new era of government transparency and accountability.

  2. Nick Benjamin Says:

    The thing you have to keep in mind is these aren’t cuts from current payment rates or current costs. Their cuts from the forecasted ginormous increases in MediCare costs. Also keep in mind that this $500 Billion is not an annual cost, it’s over 10 years. So they’re anticipating about $50 Billion in savings a year.

    In theory these will come from several places. A huge one is fraud. MediCare has low administrative costs because when it gets a bill it cuts a check. If they put a couple more pennies of every dollar into making sure the bills were valid they’d save money.

    A second major set of savings comes from the “McAllen Problem” — named after the most expensive Medicare market in the country. Atlantic monthly sent a Doctor there to find out why, and his best guess was simple: McAllen’s Doctors figured out they could get much richer by starting their own laboratories and ordering thousands of useless tests. Then they bill the taxpayer for the difference.

    I’ll agree there are problems with the House bill’s cost-savings mechanisms. For example they do not actually include a mechanism to figure out which treatments are part of the McAllen Problem. The Senate does, but that’s very controversial because the GOP can spin it into the Government telling your Doctor what to do.

    The Senate Excise tax would also be a really, really good idea. It’s a back-end way to get rid of the Employer Tax Exemption that most experts believe causes our stupid health costs. But the unions hate it, and the GOP would filibuster the 10 Commandments if they were in this bill, so it can’t get to 60.

  3. Nick Benjamin Says:

    A second thing to keep in mind is that major cuts will happen or MediCare goes bankrupt in 2019.

    And I think most seniors prefer cuts to losing it entirely in 2019.

  4. Frank Hagan Says:

    Nick, one of the excuses often given for Congress proposing health care insurance reform is the idea that the insurance companies, who average only about 4% in net profit, spend far too much on administrative expenses. How do we know they spend too much? Well, look at Medicare … it only spends a few cents on the dollar in administrative costs.

    Now you’re telling us we need to increase Medicare’s administrative expenses to reduce rampant fraud. Maybe we can get them to talk to Aetna about how to do that; private insurers have a much lower incidence of fraud. They do it through … oh, sorry … higher administrative expenses. Why do we need health insurance reform again?

    It is a shell game. Government programs are rarely accused of being efficient, and rarely guilty of coming in under budget and on time. The only saving grace is that the current Congress is timing the benefits of the bill to come after the 2012 elections, so there’s still time to elect a bunch of Republicans to undo the mess before it starts.

  5. John Burke Says:

    Actually, one huge chunk of the Medicare cuts will all but eliminate Medicare Advantage programs in which more than 13 million seniors are currently enrolled. The CMS report projects that MA enrollment will drip by two thirds by 2014. MA programs have recently been derided by self-styled “progressives” as boons to insurers, while the same folks fiercely defended them two years ago. The truth is that MA programs are designed to do what we are now supposedly going to do across the board — manage care so as to reduce long-term care costs from unneeded hospital admissions and expensive nursing home care.

    Even more importantly, the CMS report finds that the House bill reduces Medicare payments to hospitals and nursing homes over time based on productivity targets. The idea is that by paying institutions less money, they will be forced to become more productive. But it’s doubtful that many institutions can hit those targets, forcing them to withdraw from Medicare.

    As for chasing “fraud and abuse,” the states, with federal funding, have been doing that for 30 years. By and large, it has put some abusers in the dock, served as a deterrent, and recovered some money. It’s extremely unlikely that significant aditional sums can be saved in this fashion.

  6. kranky kritter Says:

    I am not especially well-versed in the details, but when I have looked into these medicare cuts, I found that they are primarily cuts in future reimbursements to providers. I suspected that this was just as Mike suggests, to make the plan look revenue neutral while shifting the costs to folks who are not part of medicare or subsidized care.

    IMO, it’s not very realistic to expect care to be provided to medicare folks at lower and lower costs. Most reimbursement rates are not generous now. Especially in places like nursing homes, Many hospitals are crawling with staff. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. With closures of smaller regional hospitals, remaining super-regional ones are busy places.

    But nursing homes and places like that are pretty fricken leaned out already, to the point where the care is little better than warehousing. And I just can’t believe the idea that the folks working on reform are ignorant of this. So I am sort of forced into at least seriously entertaining the hypothesis that the cuts are part of a plan to make the costs of reform look lower than they will really be.

    When my state. massachusetts instituted med reform while Romney was governor, they did the same thing…they said the plan was paid for based on serious estimates. Then of course it turned out that Rose E Scenario did the estimates. More people enrolled than expected, and the per-person cost was higher than budgeted. Oopsie. What a shocker!

  7. Frank Hagan Says:

    Kranky, I think Massachusetts’ experience was duplicated up in Maine, and in the failure of KeikiCare in Hawai’i. Costs always seem to overrun estimates.

  8. Mike Says:

    Nick: “The thing you have to keep in mind is these aren’t cuts from current payment rates or current costs. Their cuts from the forecasted ginormous increases in MediCare costs. ”

    True, but as kranky kritter points out the reason for those increases in reimbursement was the keep up with the increased cost of providing health care. If we cap those price increases the gap between the Medicare reimbursement rate and the private insurance reimbursement rate will rise even faster, which will cause more providers to decide not to accept Medicare entirely, which is what the CMS predicts in their report.

    Nick: “A second thing to keep in mind is that major cuts will happen or MediCare goes bankrupt in 2019. And I think most seniors prefer cuts to losing it entirely in 2019.”

    Yes, which means if we’re going to make cuts in Medicare, the savings should be applied back to Medicare in order to help make it viable, not used to fund other health care initiatives that have nothing to do with Medicare.

    But the debate is all for naught anyway. There’s no way the reimbursement cuts are going to stay cut after the bill is passed.

    I know health care reform is important to a lot of people (including me). It is so important to some that they are willing to drive up the deficit to get it. I understand that. I respect that position. What I don’t respect is lying and saying that this bill is deficit-neutral when in fact it is not.

    Let’s look at what the CBO has to say on the matter (via http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/11/assuming-can-opener.html):

    “The bill would put into effect (or leave in effect) a number of procedures that might be difficult to maintain over a long period of time. It would leave in place the 21 percent reduction in the payment rates for physicians currently scheduled for 2010. At the same time, the bill includes a number of provisions that would constrain payment rates for other providers of Medicare services. In particular, increases in payment rates for many providers would be held below the rate of inflation (in expectation of ongoing productivity improvements in the delivery of health care). Based on the extrapolation described above, CBO expects that Medicare spending under the bill would increase at an average annual rate of roughly 6 percent during the next two decades—well below the roughly 8 percent annual growth rate of the past two decades, despite a growing number of Medicare beneficiaries as the baby-boom generation retires.”

    That’s CBO-speak for “Our numbers have as much of a chance of holding up as pigs will fly. But we are forbidden from considering the chance that pigs won’t fly.”

  9. Nick Benjamin Says:

    Frank;

    Nick, one of the excuses often given for Congress proposing health care insurance reform is the idea that the insurance companies, who average only about 4% in net profit, spend far too much on administrative expenses. How do we know they spend too much? Well, look at Medicare … it only spends a few cents on the dollar in administrative costs.

    There’s a difference between administrative costs and profits. Some insurers have administrative costs in the 30% range. That counts CEO pay, salesman, marketing, etc. The best privately-run plans are more like 15%. Medicare is 4%. Add 3% for tough anti-fraud measures, and a body that tries to make sure Doctors don’t go too crazy with over treatment and you’re still way cheaper than private insurance.

    kk,

    IMO, it’s not very realistic to expect care to be provided to medicare folks at lower and lower costs.

    They won’t be because of the bills we’re discussing. That’s my point. In theory the bill will reduce cost increases by several methods, which will mean that overall cost growth of inflation + 1% will be fine. I freely admit that these numbers are not certainties. But I also point out that if we don’t try something like this soon we’re all screwed anyway.

    These two cost-control mechanisms depend on one dynamic: that right now anybody in the health care industry can jack up prices without competitive consequences.

    There’s a reason care costs more in crappy hospitals than in good hospitals, and it’s that crappy hospitals don’t bother to keep costs low because insurers will pay. And insurers will pay because most Americans think of their insurance as a fringe benefit, not 20% of their salary. An insurer that says no to the crappy hospital is screwed because customers expect to be treated anywhere. An insurer that says yes and quietly jacks up premiums makes a killing because of their larger network. Meanwhile the average American gets no raise every year because insurance premiums suck up the money.

    The public option is one. As a non-profit that competes on the exchange it can keep insurers honest. It will also be quite a bit harder for providers to game. Right now they just send whatever price increase they want to the insurance company, and the companies agree because they can just raise premiums. A little competition from the pblic option could force insurers to break that cycle.

    The Excise tax in the Senate bill is a second reason costs will stay lower. People won’t like paying the tax, so insurers may try to keep their plans under the limit. Note that if this doesn’t work more plans get taxed, so there’s more money to pay increased costs.

    There will be a provider paycut, unless a separate bill is passed, of 21%. An automatic cut that was agreed to back when Clinton and Gingrich were in office. That cut will never happen due to politics, but arguably getting rid of it is irrelevant to the current policy. Which means that it’s in a separate bill, scored separately. It’s not like a successful GOP filibuster of health reform will save that $200 Billion.

    Mike said;

    Yes, which means if we’re going to make cuts in Medicare, the savings should be applied back to Medicare in order to help make it viable, not used to fund other health care initiatives that have nothing to do with Medicare.

    If you apply it back to Medicare it’s not a cut. You’re still spending that $500 Billion on Medicare.

  10. Mike Says:

    “If you apply it back to Medicare it’s not a cut. You’re still spending that $500 Billion on Medicare.”

    Right. But you were saying we need to cut $500 billion from Medicare in order to help save it. But cutting isn’t going to save it if we just end up spending that money somewhere else. Cutting might save it if (a) we save the money so that Medicare doesn’t go bankrupt as soon, or (b) we reallocate that money within Medicare in ways that make more sense. This bill does neither, and so the choice you are presenting between cutting Medicare and letting it fail doesn’t accurate reflect the choice that we have in this proposal.

  11. Jim S Says:

    I was waiting to see if anyone mentioned it, but the cuts are also going to come from reigning in excessive payouts to the private insurance companies (Excessive according to reputable audits of the system.) in the Medicare Advantage program.

  12. Nick Benjamin Says:

    Mike said:

    Right. But you were saying we need to cut $500 billion from Medicare in order to help save it.

    I seem to have been unclear.
    Cuts to Medicare are inevitable. Otherwise the country goes bankrupt. Ergo any senior who justifies opposing this proposal on the basis that he’s protecting Medicare is delusional.

    These cuts probably won’t hurt quality, and will probably make the entire system slightly more sustainable. That buys us a few years before we have to choose between firing the army and pulling the plug on grandma.

    Cutting might save it if (a) we save the money so that Medicare doesn’t go bankrupt as soon, or (b) we reallocate that money within Medicare in ways that make more sense.

    If we lived in a Parliamentary system with a majority government this would be an excellent point. But we don’t. We live in a system with an elaborate system of checks and balances, that are specifically designed to make changing things virtually impossible.

    You’re not gonna get 60 votes for simple Medicare reforms without significant political sweeteners. They piss off people who vote (seniors), without making anybody but a handful of extremely dorkish wonks (me and you) happy. You can probably get to 60 if you bribe liberals with more coverage for poor people, bribe moderates with lots of lip service to a market everyone knows has failed, bitch about the hated insurance companies a lot, and blindly obey the Catholic Church’s dictates on abortion.

    There’s a reason Bush didn’t try to fix the problem. He knew it was there — “Entitlement Reform” would be easy except for Medicare. And there’s a reason Clinton tried to fix the entire system in ‘94, failed, and settled for those stupid automatic payment cuts.

  13. blackoutyears Says:

    Frank: The only saving grace is that the current Congress is timing the benefits of the bill to come after the 2012 elections, so there’s still time to elect a bunch of Republicans to undo the mess before it starts.

    A non-ironic call for GOP cavalry. Yes, clearly only the GOP is smart enough and well-enough organized to save us now.

    Great discussion otherwise.

  14. Frank Hagan Says:

    blackoutyears: touche’. The GOP hasn’t fared any better in reforming entitlements lately.

    At least not since the Republican congress and President Clinton joined hands and reformed welfare (after two vetos, the President finally joined in, but better late than never).

    BTW – payroll taxes more than pay for current Social Security and Medicare payments. Isn’t the “impending bankruptcy” simply when the actuarial tables show that the payroll taxes will no longer be diverted to the general fund, and will be unable to cover all the expenses?

  15. John Burke Says:

    Frank Hagan: “BTW – payroll taxes more than pay for current Social Security and Medicare payments. Isn’t the “impending bankruptcy” simply when the actuarial tables show that the payroll taxes will no longer be diverted to the general fund, and will be unable to cover all the expenses?”

    That’s a critically important point. It goes back to when FDR proposed Social Security and worried that the Supreme Court might hold an insurance system run by the government unconstitutional, while voters might object to a tax. The solution was ambiguity, which has survived to today and been extended to Medicare. Both programs are, in reality, transfer payments, funded in whole or part by a tax. That there exist specific “funds” fro each in the federal Treasury is an accounting fiction, and there is no more reason that Medicare (or SS) has to break even on the tax than the rest of federal expenditures must break even with federal revenues. Thus, the “bankruptcy” of either is rhetorical.

    Of course, this ongoing fiction makes everyone feel better and roots both programs in a popular sense that “I paid for this insurance, so I’m entitled to its benefits.” On balance, that’s a good thing politically and socially — but it need not trump every consideration every time.

    More generally, a lot of the comments have focused on such matters as whether or not the proposed cuts are necessary to secure the Medicare program, whether there is room for improving efficiency in Medicare and whether Congress will really follow through with the cuts or just use them to cast reform as deficit neutral.. All important issues — but the fundamental one (to me anyway) is this: assuming that the cuts are real and are made good, is it right to roll back current levels of care or access to care for seniors in order to pay half the cost of extending insurance to others? And it it consistent with the professed principles of the Democratic Party?

  16. Nick Benjamin Says:

    BTW – payroll taxes more than pay for current Social Security and Medicare payments. Isn’t the “impending bankruptcy” simply when the actuarial tables show that the payroll taxes will no longer be diverted to the general fund, and will be unable to cover all the expenses?

    In the extremely long term Medicare is supposed to cost 20% of GDP.

    In the nearer term it’s anticipated it will cost 10% of GDP by 2040.

    We’ve known these would be problems for decades. In the Reagan years they were dealt with by accumulating a surplus and putting it into a fund. By bankruptcy wonks mean that the actuarial tables say that current income won’t pay for the program, and that fund will be gone.

    @blackoutyears:
    It’s highly unlikely that this will be repealed if it passes. The dems were going on and on about getting rid of No Child Left Behind, and scrapping Medicare Part D. But they didn’t even try. Right now they’re actually trying to reform Medicare Part D.

    The reason is simple: repeals are just as hard as enacting the legislation in the first place. In other words your GOP would need a solid 60-vote majority in the Senate to do it; and in the unlikely event they get that a lot of their 60 votes are gonna be boring moderates. Moderates like Olympia Snowe who actually like the general outline of the program, but have problems with certain parts of it.

    Politicians don’t like being known as the guy fighting yesterday’s battles. A complete switch to GOP control would probably result in a bunch of Amendments to this plan, but anyone who thinks they’ll get rid of it is hopelessly naive.

  17. Nick Benjamin Says:

    …Please let me get the damn blockquote right this time…Please let me get the damn blockquote right this time…

    All important issues — but the fundamental one (to me anyway) is this: assuming that the cuts are real and are made good, is it right to roll back current levels of care or access to care for seniors in order to pay half the cost of extending insurance to others?

    What in the phrase “controlling cost growth” makes you think that seniors will stop receiving any care at all?

    Do you really think a Doctor providing care will actually stop that care if the government only lets him raise prices by inflation + 1% every year?

    Cause if you do you I really want to sell you some Medical Services for a mere $5. ‘Cause in like three years I’ll be a Billionaire.

  18. Mike Says:

    “Cuts to Medicare are inevitable. Otherwise the country goes bankrupt. ”

    Yes, but cutting medicare in order to fund some other government program doesn’t decrease the chance that the country goes bankrupt. I just don’t get your argument. I don’t see how cutting medicare to fund separate programs that have nothing to do with medicare is going to help save medicare.

    “These cuts probably won’t hurt quality, and will probably make the entire system slightly more sustainable.”

    That directly conflicts with the conclusion of the CMS report, which says that it will hurt quality and make the system unsustainable by paying doctors far too little.

    “You’re not gonna get 60 votes for simple Medicare reforms without significant political sweeteners.”

    The current proposal isn’t “Medicare reform”. It takes money out of Medicare to fund other stuff. If the proposal was actually doing something to help save medicare, I would see your point that we’d probably have to settle for an imperfect bill to do it.

    I can see where you have one point: in theory, if the current proposal succeeds at controlling costs throughout health care delivery, then yes, that will have an positive impact on Medicare. However, looking at the bill it seems to me that the focus is not on reducing cost, but instead is on shifting the costs around. The main “cost control” that I see in the bill is really just a “price control” which doesn’t get at the root cause of the cost problem. Therefore, we’re just forcing providers to provide the same level of expensive care, but accept lesser payments for it. That leads to the problems described in the CMS report. But, whether this bill will actually do something to control costs is a debatable point, so if that’s the point your making then OK.

  19. Mike Says:

    Jim S: “I was waiting to see if anyone mentioned it, but the cuts are also going to come from reigning in excessive payouts to the private insurance companies (Excessive according to reputable audits of the system.) in the Medicare Advantage program.”

    John Burke did bring it up, and described how such a cut will end up hurting seniors, not just insurance companies. Regardless of whether you think Medicare Advantage is a good or wasteful program, there’s no question that cutting it will cause some seniors to lose their current coverage or see premiums go up, contrary to the President’s rhetoric. I looked at the numbers in more detail here: http://sovereignmind.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/i-think-we-all-know-where-its-coming-from/

  20. Mike Says:

    “Do you really think a Doctor providing care will actually stop that care if the government only lets him raise prices by inflation + 1% every year?”

    Some will yes. Policy like this takes effect on the margins. Providers already feeling the squeeze will feel it even more and will decide it isn’t worth it. Or, an even harder number to measure but maybe even more important: new providers will start out not accepting Medicare.

    Are you assuming that the providers are just pocketing that inflation + 1% every year as profit? The reason that providers have to raise prices is because their costs are going up. If inflation + 1% is not enough to cover it, then their profits are less, not more.

  21. John Burke Says:

    Adding on to Mike’s excellent comments, there is a relationship between the problem od docs/hospitals already not accepting Medicare patients and the popularity of Medicare Advantage programs (13 million seniors enrolled).

    The Feds report that upwards of a third of Medicare beneficiaries have trouble finding a primary care physician — now! Locating the right specialists for whatever ails you can be harder. Enrolling in a MA program — by definition, a managed care program — eliminates such worries, as you gain access to a physician and hospital network.

    A large number of primary care docs already decline to accept NEW Medicare patients. I.e, they treat Medicare patients, but effectively limit the number by continuing to treat existing patients when the turn 65 and go on Medicare, replacing those who have died off — while the bulk of a doc’s patients are in the higher-paying private insurance category. So you need to make sure you’ve got the right doc you want when you’re approaching 65.

    Specialists are a bigger issue. Go to the websites of any major not-for-profit teaching hospital were all the first-rate docs are to be found — those who do cardiac surgery, hip replacements, advanced cancer care, etc. You’ll find lists of affiliated physicians, usually with inof on what insurance they accept. For example, some two-thirds of those at New York’s Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital do not accept Medicare! This internet gismo is great for enabling us pajama-clad folks to dig out such gems of info. Try it yourself at a hospital near you! Then see if you think that reducing reimbursements to docs and hospitals will have no effect on access by Medicare patients.

  22. Vast Variety Says:

    If you want to cut government spending then entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will have to see cuts in benefits. If your unwilling to accept cuts in these programs then your not really interested in real cuts to government spending.

  23. Mike Says:

    Vast Variety,

    See my second comment: “Cutting might save [Medicare] if (a) we save the money so that Medicare doesn’t go bankrupt as soon, or (b) we reallocate that money within Medicare in ways that make more sense. ”

    Cutting medicare in order to fund other new government programs will neither help save Medicare nor does it reduce government spending.

  24. Nick Benjamin Says:

    On costs I’ll to reposition myself slightly. If you read the proposals carefully they talk about overall costs, not necessarily the costs of an individual procedure.

    I’m trying to keep this short, so I’ll just link to this article and give you a summary of what it says:
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande

    In McAllen TX we spent $15,000 per person on Medicare patients. In El Paso we spent $7,500. Dr. Gawande looked at the statistics for both counties and didn’t understand why. They were pretty much identical. So he went to McAllen.

    At first Doctors there blamed it on lawyers, until Gawande asked them how many lawsuits had been filed recently. Almost zero. Then he found out the numerous extra sources of revenue McAllen’s medical community has available to it. Many Doctors don’t refer patients to the best hospital, they refer them to the one that pays the highest kickback. Many more order thousands of unnecessary tests every year, use their personal labs to carry out the tests, and bill Medicare for every one.

    As for Medicare Advantage there is simply no way to defend that program as national policy. 86% of that money does not go to health treatment.

    But you can’t get either without 60 votes in the Senate. Every state has a few rich Doctors, touted as “pillars of their community,” who use the McAllen strategy. They have a lot of patients, and none of those people want to see their Doctor get screwed. If Obama had only proposed this stuff the next dang day Doctors would be on Glenn Beck, with patients, spreading FUD about the consequences of this proposal. Limbaugh probably wouldn’t have them on, but he’d support them because they seem to be legitimate businessman.

    This means 39 Republicans in the Senate are opposed to it. Period. Since the conservative position is opposition Nelson, Lincoln, and Landrieu have to either oppose it or demand major concessions. The Left is convinced that covering everyone is a moral imperative, so they’ll heat to any left wing Senator who sticks up for a proposal that doesn’t cover everyone. Congratulations you just lost in Committee.

    I never said this was ideal. I never said this was the end. I said it was start. And given the people we elected, to a government we set up, it’s pretty much the only start that we can make.

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