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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/08/are-the-wheels-coming-off-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-588638</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kk
I am a Detroiter kk.

I did not mean to imply we&#039;re numbskulls. I meant to imply that we&#039;re so overdramatic that what we call aggressive advocacy the rest of the country would call grandstanding.

For example there was the time Mayor Young referred to the Governor as a motherf*cker. During a press conference. Apparently Young thought the Governor was moving far too slowly on the Poletown plant issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kk<br />
I am a Detroiter kk.</p>
<p>I did not mean to imply we&#8217;re numbskulls. I meant to imply that we&#8217;re so overdramatic that what we call aggressive advocacy the rest of the country would call grandstanding.</p>
<p>For example there was the time Mayor Young referred to the Governor as a motherf*cker. During a press conference. Apparently Young thought the Governor was moving far too slowly on the Poletown plant issue.</p>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, it&#039;s not really Tapper&#039;s journalistic integrity I question, but rather his demeanor. Watch him at the next press conference. Talk about self-important and combative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, it&#8217;s not really Tapper&#8217;s journalistic integrity I question, but rather his demeanor. Watch him at the next press conference. Talk about self-important and combative.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/08/are-the-wheels-coming-off-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-586939</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not nice to imply that Detroiters are numbskulls, Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not nice to imply that Detroiters are numbskulls, Nick.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/08/are-the-wheels-coming-off-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-586935</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kk
Conyers is a Detroiter.

And as far as most Detroiters are concerned there&#039;s no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kk<br />
Conyers is a Detroiter.</p>
<p>And as far as most Detroiters are concerned there&#8217;s no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/08/are-the-wheels-coming-off-the-bus/comment-page-1/#comment-586770</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A big part of a Congressman’s job is to advocate for the things he thinks would be best for the country. That’s been Conyers M. O. since Detroit elected him way back when.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I understand your point about advocacy, But let me remind you what Conyers said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“I’m getting tired of saving Obama’s can in the White House. I mean, he only won (health care reform) by five votes in the House, and this bill wasn’t anything to write home about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s advocacy to you. To me, it&#039;s grandstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A big part of a Congressman’s job is to advocate for the things he thinks would be best for the country. That’s been Conyers M. O. since Detroit elected him way back when.</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand your point about advocacy, But let me remind you what Conyers said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I’m getting tired of saving Obama’s can in the White House. I mean, he only won (health care reform) by five votes in the House, and this bill wasn’t anything to write home about.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s advocacy to you. To me, it&#8217;s grandstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kk:
A big part of a Congressman&#039;s job is to advocate for the things he thinks would be best for the country. That&#039;s been Conyers M. O. since Detroit elected him way back when.

The part of legislating you&#039;re talking about (horse-trading) is important, but it&#039;s not the only thing a Representative does. In fact in most countries Legislators don&#039;t actually do any horsetrading. Party leaders do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kk:<br />
A big part of a Congressman&#8217;s job is to advocate for the things he thinks would be best for the country. That&#8217;s been Conyers M. O. since Detroit elected him way back when.</p>
<p>The part of legislating you&#8217;re talking about (horse-trading) is important, but it&#8217;s not the only thing a Representative does. In fact in most countries Legislators don&#8217;t actually do any horsetrading. Party leaders do.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blackoutyears - I think Tapper is a great journalist.  I have no doubt that he voted for and supports President Obama, but he isn&#039;t going to let the administration push him around.  We need that kind of independent streak among reporters (for the record, I don&#039;t think most reporters are intentionally biased, but remarkably lazy ... Tapper is not biased nor lazy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blackoutyears &#8211; I think Tapper is a great journalist.  I have no doubt that he voted for and supports President Obama, but he isn&#8217;t going to let the administration push him around.  We need that kind of independent streak among reporters (for the record, I don&#8217;t think most reporters are intentionally biased, but remarkably lazy &#8230; Tapper is not biased nor lazy.)</p>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else find Jake Tapper to be a bit of a tool? 

Captcha: chairman hurried.</description>
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<p>Captcha: chairman hurried.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what this sounds like to me? It sounds like a congressman bitching because he has to do the job of a member of our legislature.

If Conyers doesn&#039;t to propose, debate, argue, negotiate, compromise and settle on an imperfect result that fixes some things and not others, then...

...why the F__K did he run for congress in the first place?

And if wants to be the person who makes the decisions of the commander in chief, then he needs to run for President.

Here&#039;s the thing: I just have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who elected Barack Obama to be some sort of Bagger Vance magical negro. Politics is hard, and it&#039;s tough, and the 435 members of congress are hardened pros. Politics is not a game, it&#039;s a business. That means that the President can&#039;t usually put his arm on the shoulder of a senator and say &quot;shucks America needs this&quot; and part the red sea. It&#039;s unfortunate that many folks were ever this saturday-evening-post-naive, but discovering the hard truth was always a &quot;when&quot; question, not an &quot;if&quot; question.

BTW: this whole &quot;we&#039;ll call anything a win&quot; stuff is crap. The current plan is primarily about extending health insurance to way more Americans who don&#039;t have it. Many folks think its about controlling costs, too. I really wish it was but I really don&#039;t think it actually is. Not right now. [Whether it should be is a different debate.]

Now,  I personally don&#039;t think that the methods being used to extend coverage to more of the currently uninsured folks is especially clever or artful or creative or even wise, But it will be a win for the people who&#039;ll gain coverage, and that&#039;s a huge part of what Obama said he wanted to do. So objectively, it WILL be a win for him.

It&#039;ll be the signature accomplishment of his admin, celebrated by the left as a huge advancement and excoriated by the right as a disaster &lt;i&gt;regardless of the constellation of effects it brings about.&lt;/i&gt; You can take THAT to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what this sounds like to me? It sounds like a congressman bitching because he has to do the job of a member of our legislature.</p>
<p>If Conyers doesn&#8217;t to propose, debate, argue, negotiate, compromise and settle on an imperfect result that fixes some things and not others, then&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;why the F__K did he run for congress in the first place?</p>
<p>And if wants to be the person who makes the decisions of the commander in chief, then he needs to run for President.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: I just have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who elected Barack Obama to be some sort of Bagger Vance magical negro. Politics is hard, and it&#8217;s tough, and the 435 members of congress are hardened pros. Politics is not a game, it&#8217;s a business. That means that the President can&#8217;t usually put his arm on the shoulder of a senator and say &#8220;shucks America needs this&#8221; and part the red sea. It&#8217;s unfortunate that many folks were ever this saturday-evening-post-naive, but discovering the hard truth was always a &#8220;when&#8221; question, not an &#8220;if&#8221; question.</p>
<p>BTW: this whole &#8220;we&#8217;ll call anything a win&#8221; stuff is crap. The current plan is primarily about extending health insurance to way more Americans who don&#8217;t have it. Many folks think its about controlling costs, too. I really wish it was but I really don&#8217;t think it actually is. Not right now. [Whether it should be is a different debate.]</p>
<p>Now,  I personally don&#8217;t think that the methods being used to extend coverage to more of the currently uninsured folks is especially clever or artful or creative or even wise, But it will be a win for the people who&#8217;ll gain coverage, and that&#8217;s a huge part of what Obama said he wanted to do. So objectively, it WILL be a win for him.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be the signature accomplishment of his admin, celebrated by the left as a huge advancement and excoriated by the right as a disaster <i>regardless of the constellation of effects it brings about.</i> You can take THAT to the bank.</p>
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